My idea for a third batman movie

[villainsfan42]

Confusion is not the same as being serious. *

whoops, sorry, i guess i'm a post behind you.

look back one post of urs. before ur confusion

 

[villainsfan42]

u must be very quick a typing.

 

[CelticPredator]

What you dont understand is... no actor would want to try and out do Ledger, and no actor would want to try and be Ledger. You want a Joker filled sequel? Make a fan film. I might do that. I'd be fun....but truly, they need to move on from The Joker, and do something different.

 

[Kibishii]

As long as Bale is playing Batman, there should NOT be another Joker. Everyone would compare it to Ledger, which would take away from that actor's portrayal and the movie as a whole.

Bane, however, was depicted in such a pathetic way in Batman & Robin that the character deserves a more front & center role and there are tons of possibilities.

 

[aussieinnyc]

I Believe in Christopher Nolan I Believe in Christopher Nolan I Believe in Christopher Nolan
can't agree any more on that!

Once again, joker said he had a wife, but he never mentioned kids. What if you push this movie into the future, say ten, fifteen year, joker has died in Arkham (happy!?!) and his son decides to continue what his father set out to do. He resorts to jokes, tricks, and of course, riddles. While bruce reads papers, and hears about these events, he once again builds a new suit, and goes back into the business to get the riddler. The cops see that he is truly innocent, and try to help him. riddler kidnaps Coleman Reese, forces batman's identity out of him, and then kills him, so he'll be the only man (besides bruce, alfred, and morgan freeman) who knows batman's identity. He uses it against him to get into his mind, and.......that's all i have. yup sorry. i'll try to think of more.

That works really well as a comic storyline, less well as a film. I don't think we can take anything that the Joker said about his past to be true - Nolan himself didn't want the Joker to have a backstory, and I'm not sure I can see him creating one in the third film. Also the device of ten/fifteen years later creates casting problems - Nolan wouldn't want to abandon Bale's Batman, the fans wouldn't stand for it either, so you'd need to cosmetically age all the key performers.

I'm not saying that Ledger's performance could never be matched or bettered. What I am saying is that because of his death there is an added layer of emotional complexity in recasting the role. If he is indeed nominated for an Oscar it will be more difficult still, and if he manages to win it will be near-impossible - the amount of scrutiny the new actor would be under would be disproportionate to the film itself, and I just doubt the studio and Nolan would want to take that on. I do think had Nicholson died after making Batman in '89 it would have been even tougher for Ledger - that role would have been elevated to a more mythical status. But even then it's not a great comparison, since Ledger's role was part of a re-boot rather than a continuation of a character. To re-boot the Joker character within Nolan's world is an interesting concept, but it would be a complicated plot point and unnecessarily fussy, IMO. There are other villains that can be used, even if they do require extensive re-imagining from Nolan to get them to work in his world.

Personally I would like to see a third film that doesn't include the Joker except possibly in the briefest of acknowledgements - the off-screen equivalent of what they gave the Scarecrow (apart from the brief cameo right at the start he didn't factor into the story at all) - and then move on to a completely new threat.

 

[villainsfan42]

i don't know bane too well, so i cant really agree w/ you, but Batman and Robin really turned me off to Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, and Bane. So sorry, but i really dont wish to see him.

As for Celtic, i half agree. We do need to move on, but with a new twist on the joker.

 

[ActionFigureLegend]

Yeah, i agree that its tough to have a replacement for the Joker/ Heath Ledger but I think the one actor who can do him justice and still have his own take would be Johnny Depp. I know there have been rumors of him playing the riddler but I think Johnny Depp would make an excellent Joker. Just my opinion.

 

[villainsfan42]

I'm not saying that Ledger's performance could never be matched or bettered. What I am saying is that because of his death there is an added layer of emotional complexity in recasting the role. If he is indeed nominated for an Oscar it will be more difficult still, and if he manages to win it will be near-impossible - the amount of scrutiny the new actor would be under would be disproportionate to the film itself, and I just doubt the studio and Nolan would want to take that on. I do think had Nicholson died after making Batman in '89 it would have been even tougher for Ledger - that role would have been elevated to a more mythical status. But even then it's not a great comparison, since Ledger's role was part of a re-boot rather than a continuation of a character. To re-boot the Joker character within Nolan's world is an interesting concept, but it would be a complicated plot point and unnecessarily fussy, IMO. There are other villains that can be used, even if they do require extensive re-imagining from Nolan to get them to work in his world.

sad but true
sad but true

 

[CelticPredator]

No we dont. Stop with the Joker recasting stuff. No person would want to do that. One, i'd would be just...wrong, two, like Kib said, everyone would compare it to Ledger, that would make the job extreamly difficult for the actor, and 3, everyone loved Ledger's Joker so much, they wouldnt want to see some dude be compleatly different....or be the same.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yeah, i agree that its tough to have a replacement for the Joker/ Heath Ledger but I think the one actor who can do him justice and still have his own take would be Johnny Depp. I know there have been rumors of him playing the riddler but I think Johnny Depp would make an excellent Joker. Just my opinion.

Before TDK was ever thought up...yes. Depp wouldnt want to do that. No self respecting actor would either.

 

[villainsfan42]

personally, i'm not a huge depp fan since that abominable charlie and the chocolate factory crappy film came out.

He also has too close of a tie to tim burton, who scares me.
(ironic, since i want to see helena bonham carter as harley quinn)

 

[CelticPredator]

Who's married to him, and Tim Burton also did the first real Batman movie (Hate it or not, it was the first Batman movie, and not that crappy camp thing that West did)

 

[uscmhicks]

Plus i get annoy when people see one thing being done, and think that that's the only way. There are other alternatives. people have their own ways of portraying characters. they don't have to copy, or impersonate.

I can do impressions and i'm only four years old

I want what hes smoking........

 

[CelticPredator]

He stole it from me. So you know its goooood.

 

[villainsfan42]

No we dont. Stop with the Joker recasting stuff. No person would want to do that. One, i'd would be just...wrong, two, like Kib said, everyone would compare it to Ledger, that would make the job extreamly difficult for the actor, and 3, everyone loved Ledger's Joker so much, they wouldnt want to see some dude be compleatly different....or be the same.

i think that ur taking these movies a little bit too close to heart.
they are still just movies.

and plus if you want to say the abbreviation for it would, don't say i'd, say it'd
sorry. i can't really help that, i had some truly crazy english teachers over the years.

 

[aussieinnyc]

Before TDK was ever thought up...yes. Depp wouldnt want to do that. No self respecting actor would either.

I don't know that I agree. Imagine the amount of press coverage and attention the new actor would get - it would certainly be an incentive, especially for someone who is not yet a big-name actor (so, no, in this case not Depp). I can also imagine an experienced actor like Depp being persuaded to take it on as an acting challenge, etc, etc.

I agree with you that the character should be moved on from, at least in this series (or, if it somehow manages to be much more on-going, at least for the next couple of films), but I don't agree that they'd have a lot of trouble finding an actor to take on the role. The opportunity for publicity, the acting challenge it would produce, and/or the money that would be on offer, would be a fantastic incentive.

 

[S-Ramos]

I think the next one should start 5 minutes after TDK ended, ala QoS. Start off with a good chase scene. It would aslo mean the Joker is in custody and out of the way for now, no need for him to show up. The temp cave was already shutdown, so we can get back to the mansion. Which means new equipment and toys. Do we get another vehicle? How many huge prototype vehicles can Fox have laying around? Again sticking with the idea that no time has passed, there wouldnt be a new set of wheels this time. Half of Gotham was empty, trying to escape, there would be looting and violence for sure. Maybe this is were Catwoman could come in. Maybe she steals high priced/classified items from Wayne Enterprises or Lexcorp during the confusion and uses Batman as a scapegoat? Maybe Catwoman is in it for the thrill, how can she resist when Batman comes chasing? It would be interesting if Selina were an assistant to someone in a company partnering with WE, and she meets Bruce this way. Of course we dont get anywhere near a full blown romance, not yet, not even at the end. I dont know how theyd introduce Riddler. Id say he would steal information from various sources though, for some reason. But really I dont know how they can make him different enough from the Joker to make him work. Penquin tries to slide in and salvage Maroni's mess, mob war? No car chase instead an insane rooftop chase with Catwoman, very Casino Royalish, but on a bigger scale.

 

[villainsfan42]

I want what hes smoking........

oh trust me, you wouldnt be able to handle it!

 

[aussieinnyc]

i think that ur taking these movies a little bit too close to heart.
they are still just movies.

and plus if you want to say the abbreviation for it would, don't say i'd, say it'd
sorry. i can't really help that, i had some truly crazy english teachers over the years.

They must have been crazy to let you get away with punctuation and capitalisation like yours.

 

[villainsfan42]

He stole it from me. So you know its goooood.

SHHHHHHHHH!