David Ayer's Academy Award winning "Suicide Squad"

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Joker's obsessions in SS were certainly limited to just Harley but I kind of liked how the movie presented him as if we the audience were just getting a peek at him as in here is "a day in the life of Joker".

We weren't privy to his grand plan, no big speeches on how he ran his empire or how he was going to go after Batman or commit more crimes, it was just him on a mission for Harley, Batman and Society in general taking a back seat....for now.

Maybe he needs her, or more than likely is using her, for something bigger that he's planning for later on.

I also liked how he carried himself during the limited time he was utilized.

So yeah I can see why fans think he served no purpose, but for me he was concentrating on one mission, Harley.

Hopefully we see why he risked so much for her in a later movie.

I think you guys are looking too far into this, Joker was and will always be (regardless of cut) the wildcard in the movie, and a character to flesh out Harley to introduce to general audiences. That's his purpose in this movie, he doesn't have some kind of philosophical or social point to prove like the first time we saw other Joker's on the silver screen.

Sure, he cares about Harley. But he also views her as property. Leto did great with the little film time he had. We'll see him in a much larger role in a few years.

my point is that the flashback reinforces that he DOES care about her and rescuing her was not done because of a mission but because he loves her so much

1. mental abuse to the point where she would get a machine gun for a patient.

2. electro shock torture

3. bout left her ass to drown in ACE (she can't swim)

4. ditches her when the bat comes around.

Not too mention there's a lot of un-showed time between these events, none of us know how bad the abuse was/is.

I swear some of you guys thought this movie was titled "Joker".

It's a movie packed to the brim with characters. The most important ones being the Suicide Squad. this is their story, not a batman/joker adventure.

Why didn't he kill the guy that was basically grinding on Harley why she was dancing? He gets a pass but the guy that gives him a compliment he kills.

it wasn't a guy, it was a stripper wearing a batmask.


JFC, some of yall need to see the movie again.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Sure is. I thought RS was a great villain. Maybe Hugo will reconsider if Disney throws enough money at him.

Money! Did you say money?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Joker is gonna Joker.

I think you guys are looking too far into this, Joker was and will always be (regardless of cut) the wildcard in the movie, and a character to flesh out Harley to introduce to general audiences. That's his purpose in this movie, he doesn't have some kind of philosophical or social point to prove like the first time we saw other Joker's on the silver screen.

Sure, he cares about Harley. But he also views her as property. Leto did great with the little film time he had. We'll see him in a much larger role in a few years.



1. mental abuse to the point where she would get a machine gun for a patient.

2. electro shock torture

3. bout left her ass to drown in ACE (she can't swim)

4. ditches her when the bat comes around.

Not too mention there's a lot of un-showed time between these events, none of us know how bad the abuse was/is.

I swear some of you guys thought this movie was titled "Joker".

It's a movie packed to the brim with characters. The most important ones being the Suicide Squad. this is their story, not a batman/joker adventure.



it wasn't a guy, it was a stripper wearing a batmask.


JFC, some of yall need to see the movie again.

 

[chewblacca]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Once was enough for me. If they make an extended version that fleshes out more of the story then I may get it on bluray.

 

[crows]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I think you guys are looking too far into this, Joker was and will always be (regardless of cut) the wildcard in the movie, and a character to flesh out Harley to introduce to general audiences. That's his purpose in this movie, he doesn't have some kind of philosophical or social point to prove like the first time we saw other Joker's on the silver screen.

Sure, he cares about Harley. But he also views her as property. Leto did great with the little film time he had. We'll see him in a much larger role in a few years.



1. mental abuse to the point where she would get a machine gun for a patient.

2. electro shock torture

3. bout left her ass to drown in ACE (she can't swim)

4. ditches her when the bat comes around.

Not too mention there's a lot of un-showed time between these events, none of us know how bad the abuse was/is.

I swear some of you guys thought this movie was titled "Joker".

It's a movie packed to the brim with characters. The most important ones being the Suicide Squad. this is their story, not a batman/joker adventure.



it wasn't a guy, it was a stripper wearing a batmask.


JFC, some of yall need to see the movie again.

you are qouting a reply to jye about joker using harley... context man, context

he wasnt just using her, he tortured her but he loves her in this universe in his own way. he cares about harley in his own crazee twizted way

 

[chewblacca]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Yeah. Joker is the cat and Harley is basically a ball of string that he likes to bat around but would never give up.

 

[morphosis]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I think you guys are looking too far into this, Joker was and will always be (regardless of cut) the wildcard in the movie, and a character to flesh out Harley to introduce to general audiences. That's his purpose in this movie, he doesn't have some kind of philosophical or social point to prove like the first time we saw other Joker's on the silver screen.

Sure, he cares about Harley. But he also views her as property. Leto did great with the little film time he had. We'll see him in a much larger role in a few years.



1. mental abuse to the point where she would get a machine gun for a patient.

2. electro shock torture

3. bout left her ass to drown in ACE (she can't swim)

4. ditches her when the bat comes around.

Not too mention there's a lot of un-showed time between these events, none of us know how bad the abuse was/is.

I swear some of you guys thought this movie was titled "Joker".

It's a movie packed to the brim with characters. The most important ones being the Suicide Squad. this is their story, not a batman/joker adventure.



it wasn't a guy, it was a stripper wearing a batmask.


JFC, some of yall need to see the movie again.

i agree with everything you say here. It was never meant to be a Joker/Batman movie.

I thought it had just the right amount of Joker in it, keeping him a bit more of a mystery.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I liked the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position the Joker put Common in. If he accepted Harley he'd be disrespecting the Joker. Dead. If he rejected her he was disrespecting Harley. Dead.

The Joker didn't need a bigger part. He was like Marsellus in Pulp Fiction.

 

[chewblacca]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I liked the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position the Joker put Common in. If he accepted Harley he'd be disrespecting the Joker. Dead. If he rejected her he was disrespecting Harley. Dead.

I guess he was in an uncommon position?

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

So Weaving has more integrity than Sir Anthony Hopkins?

I don't know. I actually think it's a shady practice for an actor to sign a multi-picture deal (which Weaving did and assumedly Leto did as well) and then publicly announce that you don't want to do anymore and will be mad if you have to come back for more. Basically saying "Yes, the studio has the legal right to force me to appear in more films but my heart will NOT be in it so it'll probably be a phoned in performance and I'll be badmouthing the productions so do you really want me to return?" For Weaving it apparently worked.

I think studios should start adding "no negative talk about the arrangement or movies" clauses to the contracts.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I guess he was in an uncommon position?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I liked the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position the Joker put Common in. If he accepted Harley he'd be disrespecting the Joker. Dead. If he rejected her he was disrespecting Harley. Dead.

The Joker didn't need a bigger part. He was like Marsellus in Pulp Fiction.

I don't know. I actually think it's a shady practice for an actor to sign a multi-picture deal (which Weaving did and assumedly Leto did as well) and then publicly announce that you don't want to do anymore and will be mad if you have to come back for more. Basically saying "Yes, the studio has the legal right to force me to appear in more films but my heart will NOT be in it so it'll probably be a phoned in performance and I'll be badmouthing the productions so do you really want me to return?" For Weaving it apparently worked.

I think studios should start adding "no negative talk about the arrangement or movies" clauses to the contracts.

**** Hugo Weaving.

 

[crows]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I liked the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position the Joker put Common in. If he accepted Harley he'd be disrespecting the Joker. Dead. If he rejected her he was disrespecting Harley. Dead.

The Joker didn't need a bigger part. He was like Marsellus in Pulp Fiction.

out of all the things to delete, why leave that scene (because Common was in it?)

that scene doesn't really add much to the movie except showcase how crazy the joker is and his love for harley but if it was deleted nothing of value was lost.

It makes me wonder if that scene was added later in the game when they realized they didn't want joker to abuse harley. It's just such a silly scene.

they were going to show Joker in such a little bit of time in the movie and they chose THAT to stay? wtf ......

they could have deleted that scene and add more scenes about Harley and Joker in the asylum talking, or scenes of Joker and Harley committing crimes together.

I dont think there are any scenes of them committing crimes in the movie. that scene was so strange. maybe it was left and added to establish the joker and how dangerous he is but it was such a clumsy way to go about it

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Supposedly that scene was actually heavily altered. The darker cut I heard played out way differently.


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[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

out of all the things to delete, why leave that scene (because Common was in it?)

that scene doesn't really add much to the movie except showcase how crazy the joker is and his love for harley but if it was deleted nothing of value was lost.

It makes me wonder if that scene was added later in the game when they realized they didn't want joker to abuse harley. It's just such a silly scene.

they were going to show Joker in such a little bit of time in the movie and they chose THAT to stay? wtf ......

they could have deleted that scene and add more scenes about Harley and Joker in the asylum talking, or scenes of Joker and Harley committing crimes together.

I dont think there are any scenes of them committing crimes in the movie. that scene was so strange. maybe it was left and added to establish the joker and how dangerous he is but it was such a clumsy way to go about it

It's the first scene they use to establish who Harley is to Joker. That they are both bat**** crazy. Leto's acting was awesome in that scene, one of my favorites of the movie.

and they ****ing murdered the dude. that's not them committing a crime? good god man keep reaching for straws!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

leto's joker laugh might actually be the worst joker laugh of all of them (including the games)

Here's a laugh comparison.



My ranking of favorite laughs.

1. Ledger (the trailer laughs were great too)

2. Romero (kid of hard to imitate)

3. Leto (a bit repetitive, but I appreciate that he created a unique laugh)

4. Nicholson (Good laugh)

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

It's the first scene they use to establish who Harley is to Joker. That they are both bat**** crazy. Leto's acting was awesome in that scene, one of my favorites of the movie.

and they ****ing murdered the dude. that's not them committing a crime? good god man keep reaching for straws!

This is the "you don't want no beef" scene? I thought that was some of the most cringeworthy acting I've seen in years

 

[crows]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

It's the first scene they use to establish who Harley is to Joker. That they are both bat**** crazy. Leto's acting was awesome in that scene, one of my favorites of the movie.

and they ****ing murdered the dude. that's not them committing a crime? good god man keep reaching for straws!

committing a crime... like you know... a robbery......

why not shoot a cop or something like that then? or a judge or something? shooting a guy you work with because he looked at your girl? thats what a drug mob boss does, not what I picture the joker doing.

I could even see the joker killing a Rival criminal like they did in Dark knight, but that scene is a mess. I know why they have the scene in the movie but the Joker's actions make no sense (As Crazy as the joker is)
and it is a very poor way to stablish their insanity.

there could have been so many cool ways to establish both their insanity and his twisted love for Harley, They could have even made Batman's appearance longer if they cut the common scene

They could have made Common be a lawyer or a security guard or someone else that gets killed while robbing a place and then Batman shows up and cannot stop the murder, then the chase begins.

could have been cool and more cohesive

what we have now is a Scarface guy with green hair and ugly tattoos killing one of his own for disrespecting his lady... yeah, thats the JOKER alright

 

[SuperJ300]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Here's a laugh comparison.

My ranking of favorite laughs.

1. Nicholson (sounded sinister out of the four)

2. Ledger (Crazy man laugh)

3. Romero (a very good joker laugh)

4. Leto (not seen enough of him to judge, sounds like a gangster mob laugh)

 

[chewblacca]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Later on in the movie, Harley is staring down, and thinks back to her fall at Axis chemicals. Being that it was all from her perspective and she loves the Joker I think it is interpreted more romantic than it might have actually been. The Joker could have pushed her in and went after her for some other reason than because he loved her.