Coolest Prequel Character?

[YoNoSe]

Wat Tambor.

 

[Darth_Fatso]

Jar Jar Binks is easily the most awesome Star Wars character ever!!!

 

[DinoLast]

Qui-Gon Jinn
He's a Maverick who bends the rules and does not deal in absolutes.
Plus he had a great death scene.
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[OSCORP]

I love Maul (and yes most of it is probably on looks) But after reading some of his EU (which i liked) it made him even cooler. (and Sidious)

 

[tylerdurden]

Sadly Lucas wasted Maul completely, he should have been in all three, as apart from the shadowy threat of Sidious the movies biggest short commings were the lack of a consistent bad guy. He just let them all (Jango, Sidious, Grievous) enter stage left, ponce about a bit as a minor threat then get dispatched to exit stage right.... and as there can be only one Sith apprentice a young Vader vs Maul face off would have been great in Ep III... hence IMHO Maul was wasted!

I think that Vader could have been turned prior to a fight with Maul and then Palpatine, knowing Vader was badder-ass than maul, could have given Vader the dispatching of maul as his Trials into the Sith.

absolutely.

those who say maul was all look are partly right. but that is the fault of the writer/creator. if he'd been given a more motivated role in the machinations of sidious, as suggested above, he would've been a much more compelling character. as it is, maul is already totally badass and conveyed more genuine MENACE than any of the other so-called villains. with him u really felt like he was lethal.

grievous? they tried to give him a motivation and a reason for being but he was just lame. jango? please. this is PRECISELY the sort of character who should NEVER be unmasked. the main reason boba fett is so appealing is because he is so mysterious. they should've kept that air of uncertainty about both him and his "father" jango. the minute they revealed him to be temeura morrison (whom i have nothing against btw), the character became mundane and unexciting. so what if he was mercenary enough to lend his dna to the clone army program? to me that was in fact pretty stupid. if you make a living as a stealthy, behind-the-scenes asassin, the last thing u should be doing is putting your face out there for the whole world to see. u could say that he could hide in plain sight, but then why stick to his mandalorian armour and single himself out? sorry, jango was a wasted opportunity as well.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Maul is 99.9% look.

do you include badass double lightsabre in "look". How about awesome choreographed moves?

 

[the dude person]

I think that Vader could have been turned prior to a fight with Maul and then Palpatine, knowing Vader was badder-ass than maul, could have given Vader the dispatching of maul as his Trials into the Sith. It could have gone Something like this...Palpatine senses the anger and power in Anakin and coerces Anakin to the Dark Side and sends him after Maul. Maul finds out, gets bent, and goes after Palps but Vader catches up to him and slap-chops him.

Or

Maul is the primary Sith Lord. He sends Palpatine to infiltrate the Jedi. Palpatine senses the strength and power in Anakin and uses him to off Maul and supplant him and become the Emperor.



I disagree. Ray Park brought a dynamic to the character that was absent in pretty much every other character that was introduced in the PT. Maul had the good human fighting skills that looked good on camera as well as the added force powers that were sloppily added via special effects.

Maul doesn't have... I guess the sort of "presence" that Sidious or Dooku have. He is too obedient, like a dog, and he has no plan of action other than "kill the jedi" ("go on Maul, sick 'em! Go get the Jedi! Good boy!"). He sort of rushes into a fight with Kenobi and Qui Gon. He could never be the strategist needed to engineer the clone wars and bring about the empire. He's just an errand boy. Sidious could not be the errand boy, because he is too greedy for power. Either he's gonna be the top dog, or he's gonna die trying to become the top dog.

Maul is no strategist, and Sidious would not be a good errand boy. He can fight off anybody in a pinch, but he can't go around assassinating people on a daily basis. Just using force ligtning for too long disfigured his face.

A matured Vader could easily fit the role of Sith Lord, but Sidious just couldn't be the apprentice. If you're that old and you're still an apprentice, I think you may have missed something.

It just couldn't work.

 

[RJMacReady16]

Hands-down Darth Maul. He's the only collectible from this putrid films that I still bother owning. Great character design.

 

[tylerdurden]

Maul doesn't have... I guess the sort of "presence" that Sidious or Dooku have. He is too obedient, like a dog, and he has no plan of action other than "kill the jedi" ("go on Maul, sick 'em! Go get the Jedi! Good boy!"). He sort of rushes into a fight with Kenobi and Qui Gon. He could never be the strategist needed to engineer the clone wars and bring about the empire. He's just an errand boy. Sidious could not be the errand boy, because he is too greedy for power. Either he's gonna be the top dog, or he's gonna die trying to become the top dog.

Maul is no strategist, and Sidious would not be a good errand boy. He can fight off anybody in a pinch, but he can't go around assassinating people on a daily basis. Just using force ligtning for too long disfigured his face.

A matured Vader could easily fit the role of Sith Lord, but Sidious just couldn't be the apprentice. If you're that old and you're still an apprentice, I think you may have missed something.

It just couldn't work.

whatever u have said is mere speculation and doesn't mean the character of maul is as such. like i said in a previous post, maul's perceived lack of "brains" is due to the way his role was written. if in an alternate universe george had made maul a more central figure (eg: replacing dooku ) he would've been a very strong character. and i reiterate, as underwritten as maul was as a character, he STILL possessed more "presence" than grevious or jango fett. and that is largely thanks to ray park's superb physical acting. and i don't mean just his martial arts skills. u could feel his sheer disdain for the jedi in that arrogant sneer he had.

 

[thenammagazine]

Maul doesn't have... I guess the sort of "presence" that Sidious or Dooku have. He is too obedient, like a dog, and he has no plan of action other than "kill the jedi" ("go on Maul, sick 'em! Go get the Jedi! Good boy!"). He sort of rushes into a fight with Kenobi and Qui Gon. He could never be the strategist needed to engineer the clone wars and bring about the empire. He's just an errand boy. Sidious could not be the errand boy, because he is too greedy for power. Either he's gonna be the top dog, or he's gonna die trying to become the top dog.

Maul is no strategist, and Sidious would not be a good errand boy. He can fight off anybody in a pinch, but he can't go around assassinating people on a daily basis. Just using force ligtning for too long disfigured his face.

A matured Vader could easily fit the role of Sith Lord, but Sidious just couldn't be the apprentice. If you're that old and you're still an apprentice, I think you may have missed something.

It just couldn't work.

WTF are you talking about?! Maul has ALL the presence he needs. He was the FACE of Star Wars for a fat chunk of the 90's. I'm willing to bet he was the 2nd most marketed character of the PT based on his presence alone! I'd rather see an elaborately choreographed lightsaber scene than a yawnfest of dialogue and plot schemes cut between actors faces with lightsabers swinging in the foreground and background. The Dooku fights were lackluster and the Palpatine fights all but ridiculous. Maul personified everything that IS the Sith. Everybody and their grandmother were on the edge of their seats during the dual of the fates scene when the doors open and little Maul walks out. Ray Park, as Maul, with his little horns and tattoos had more presence than Dooku, Emo Hayden Vader or even the PT Sidious.

 

[the dude person]

absolutely.

those who say maul was all look are partly right. but that is the fault of the writer/creator. if he'd been given a more motivated role in the machinations of sidious, as suggested above, he would've been a much more compelling character. as it is, maul is already totally badass and conveyed more genuine MENACE than any of the other so-called villains. with him u really felt like he was lethal.

That's like saying "Those who say Chewbacca wasn't badass are partly right, but that's the fault of the writer/creator. Chewbacca could have made a great Sith Lord, but he just wasn't evil enough. If he had been meaner and more self centered he would've replaced Palpatine perfectly."

Point is: The writer/creator (Lucas obviously) didn't give him a more motivated role in the machinations of Sidious, and he is not a more compelling character. Any theoretical what if's do not improve who he actually is to the story

grievous? they tried to give him a motivation and a reason for being but he was just lame. jango? please. this is PRECISELY the sort of character who should NEVER be unmasked. the main reason boba fett is so appealing is because he is so mysterious. they should've kept that air of uncertainty about both him and his "father" jango. the minute they revealed him to be temeura morrison (whom i have nothing against btw), the character became mundane and unexciting. so what if he was mercenary enough to lend his dna to the clone army program? to me that was in fact pretty stupid. if you make a living as a stealthy, behind-the-scenes asassin, the last thing u should be doing is putting your face out there for the whole world to see. u could say that he could hide in plain sight, but then why stick to his mandalorian armour and single himself out? sorry, jango was a wasted opportunity as well.

Who ever told the whole world that the face they were seeing in the clones belonged to Jango? Nobody. It's possible that only the Kaminoans, a few Jedi, Palpatine, and the Clones themselves knew. Jango could have been planning to retire from the business soon, using the money he just got to settle down and raise Boba as his son, so his face being "out there" wouldn't affect him.

And anyway, no one but the Jedi generals ever really saw what a clone's face looked like (other than the Kaminoans) under their helmets, which they wore for most of the time. I doubt a single criminal on Coruscant knew what a clone's face looked like.

If you're an assassin, people having seen your face won't affect anything either. When Jango's a mile away on top of a building with a sniper rifle, and you get sniped, even if there are witnesses sitting next to the guy, they won't know who the assassin is. There won't be any "Oh look, Bob there just got assassinated by Jango Fett! Good thing I've seen his face from the clones on holonet news. Now I can hire someone to kill him, cuz even if he's not wearing his armor, now we know what his face looks like, so if anyone passes him in the supermarket buying space-diapers for his clone son, we can stab him in the back..."

The whole face thing is utterly irrelevant.

 

[tylerdurden]

That's like saying "Those who say Chewbacca wasn't badass are partly right, but that's the fault of the writer/creator. Chewbacca could have made a great Sith Lord, but he just wasn't evil enough. If he had been meaner and more self centered he would've replaced Palpatine perfectly."

Point is: The writer/creator (Lucas obviously) didn't give him a more motivated role in the machinations of Sidious, and he is not a more compelling character. Any theoretical what if's do not improve who he actually is to the story.

read the post i made subsequently after that last one, dude. you're citing ridiculously extreme examples like chewbacca being a sith. c'mon. who's talking about that? not me for sure. my point simply is that maul may be underwritten but he AS HE WAS he still had more presence and thus potential to be a truly menacing and integral villain over others who WERE given the chance plot-wise but still fell way short.

Who ever told the whole world that the face they were seeing in the clones belonged to Jango? Nobody. It's possible that only the Kaminoans, a few Jedi, Palpatine, and the Clones themselves knew. Jango could have been planning to retire from the business soon, using the money he just got to settle down and raise Boba as his son, so his face being "out there" wouldn't affect him.

And anyway, no one but the Jedi generals ever really saw what a clone's face looked like (other than the Kaminoans) under their helmets, which they wore for most of the time. I doubt a single criminal on Coruscant knew what a clone's face looked like.

The whole face thing is utterly irrelevant.

that's a lot more than "nobody" dude.

your logic doesn't work simply because an insignificant little character called OBI-WAN KENOBI saw him face to face and knew of his plan. the same guy who knew what all the clones looked like. sure, he thought they were on the "good" guy's side but he knew jango wasn't and that's really the point.

 

[the dude person]

WTF are you talking about?! Maul has ALL the presence he needs. He was the FACE of Star Wars for a fat chunk of the 90's. I'm willing to bet he was the 2nd most marketed character of the PT based on his presence alone! I'd rather see an elaborately choreographed lightsaber scene than a yawnfest of dialogue and plot schemes cut between actors faces with lightsabers swinging in the foreground and background. The Dooku fights were lackluster and the Palpatine fights all but ridiculous. Maul personified everything that IS the Sith. Everybody and their grandmother were on the edge of their seats during the dual of the fates scene when the doors open and little Maul walks out. Ray Park, as Maul, with his little horns and tattoos had more presence than Dooku, Emo Hayden Vader or even the PT Sidious.

Ok, so presence is not the right word. Sure, he's menacing, but so is the 3 headed dog from the 1st Harry Potter. He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy who could give orders, but would either take them or go out blindly on his own.

Having Maul as Sith Lord and Palps as his apprentice is like having Anakin from AOTC train Obi Wan from ANH.

Maul just seems young and inexperienced. Intellectually weak.

 

[thenammagazine]

Ok, so presence is not the right word. Sure, he's menacing, but so is the 3 headed dog from the 1st Harry Potter. He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy who could give orders, but would either take them or go out blindly on his own.

Having Maul as Sith Lord and Palps as his apprentice is like having Anakin from AOTC train Obi Wan from ANH.

Maul just seems young and inexperienced. Intellectually weak.

You need to cap your paints when you're not using them man, you're not making any sense. Maul was menacing. He would lead with fear, and those who were under him would obey not wanting to be in his presence because he's terrifically horrific. As for him being the master to Palpatine, I didn't say that so you invented that. And as to being young, inexperienced, and intellectually weak, no. He gave a seasoned veteran Jedi a run for his money and killed him. Obi Wan lost in the straight-up confrontation to Maul (or did you forget), winning through luck. If Qui Gon's saber hadn't been there... no more Obi. Maul was cold and calculated and very much the strategist to be able to confront two Jedi with higher saber skill sets at the same time.

 

[tylerdurden]

Maul was menacing. He would lead with fear, and those who were under him would obey not wanting to be in his presence because he's terrifically horrific. As for being young and inexperienced, and intellectually weak, no. He gave a seasoned veteran Jedi a run for his money and killed him. Obi Wan lost in the straight-up confrontation to Maul (or did you forget), winning through luck. Maul was cold and calculated and very much the strategist to be able to confront two Jedi at the same time.

spot on, man.

though i wouldn't go so far as to say obi-wan won through luck. that flipping-over-maul's-head-and-slicing-him-in-half move was pretty crafty. i attribute maul's ultimate loss at the hands of obi-wan to hubris and arrogance, the downfall of all sith.

 

[thenammagazine]

spot on, man.

though i wouldn't go so far as to say obi-wan won through luck. that flipping-over-maul's-head-and-slicing-him-in-half move was pretty crafty.

I exlpained why by editing my previous post. If Qui Gon's saber hadn't been there, or if Maul had picked it up/destroyed it, Obi would've been toast.

 

[tylerdurden]

I exlpained why by editing my previous post. If Qui Gon's saber hadn't been there, or if Maul had picked it up/destroyed it, Obi would've been toast.

true.

but perhaps obi-wan could still have done the same flip and performed a force push (or kicked him in the nuts ). less dramatic, but same result. maul falls to his death.

 

[thenammagazine]

true.

but perhaps obi-wan could still have done the same flip and performed a force push (or kicked him in the nuts ). less dramatic, but same result. maul falls to his death.

That's reeeeeeeeeally pushing it. Nevertheless, Maul deserves far more credit than Dude's giving him.

 

[the dude person]

read the post i made subsequently after that last one, dude. you're citing ridiculously extreme examples like chewbacca being a sith. c'mon. who's talking about that? not me for sure. my point simply is that maul may be underwritten but he AS HE WAS he still had more presence and thus potential to be a truly menacing and integral villain over others who WERE given the chance plot-wise but still fell way short.




that's a lot more than "nobody" dude.

your logic doesn't work simply because an insignificant little character called OBI-WAN KENOBI saw him face to face and knew of his plan. the same guy who knew what all the clones looked like. sure, he thought they were on the "good" guy's side but he knew jango wasn't and that's really the point.

I said nobody told the world Jango was the clone template, not nobody knew Jango was the clone template.

And so what? If Obi Wan is looking for Jango, seeing his face won't help. If he's on Coruscant in a crowd of people, he won't stand out anymore than usual. I just don't see your point with the whole face thing. What ended up getting him killed was hanging around with the Seperatists until the Jedi showed up. That was his mistake. If he is with the Seps, eventually some enemies of the Seps will show up, no matter who he is. Any Jedi who was trying to kill Separatists could walk into a room with Nute Gunray, Wat Tambor, Jango Fett and a bunch of Battle Droids, and Jango would be fought with if he didn't come quietly, regardless of people knowing what his face looks like.

If you're trying to say Kenobi made the connection "ok so, Jango is with the Seps and is bad, so the clones came from Jango, so the clones are bad", that is also irrelevant. Jango was driven by his want for cash, not by wanting to be "bad" or "evil". He did anything he got paid for.

I just don't see what you're trying to say.

I mean yes, Jango's face was "out there", and yes, Kenobi had seen his face, but what does that have to do with anything???

 

[Jaycepticon]

true.

but perhaps obi-wan could still have done the same flip and performed a force push. less dramatic, but same result. maul falls to his death.

or force push him and have Maul hanging on for dear life with Obi watching him and with him being a Jedi, trying to help out Maul but he cuts him with a hidden blade and falls to his death which makes him realize that you can't help the Sith which is why he's so quick to walk away from Anakin later on. or not