Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

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You know that western society has hit rock bottom when their culture is defined by something as puerile as Star Wars. :lol

Don't be mean. Let the girls play in the sandpit too.

It's funny - the western world, comprised of dozens of nations with such distinctly different histories, worldviews and languages - now viewed as a singular culture.

I think we might be getting closer to the root of the problem.
 
You know that western society has hit rock bottom when their culture is defined by something as puerile as Star Wars. :lol


Don't be mean. Let the girls play in the sandpit too.

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:lol :lol
 
It's funny - the western world, comprised of dozens of nations with such distinctly different histories, worldviews and languages - now viewed as a singular culture.

I think we might be getting closer to the root of the problem.

:exactly:

It's the end of the world...again.
 
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My point is, that the original Star Wars trilogy was marketed to young boys...Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy and her writing team usurped a narrative aimed at young boys...

Star Wars was created for children of all ages, including Lucas himself. It was for children to experience a genre from forty odd years earlier, which Lucas had watched as repeats, and for adults to relive that nostalgia brought up to date.

The target audience wasn't specifically boys. See here, for example, the card at the end of the first episode of The Phantom Empire (1935), promoting the next instalment:

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And fast forward to see who was waiting in line to see Star Wars in 1977:


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In 1983:

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And 1999:

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Star Wars was created for children of all ages, including Lucas himself. It was for children to experience a genre from forty odd years earlier, which Lucas had watched as repeats, and for adults to relive that nostalgia brought up to date.

The target audience wasn't specifically boys. See here, for example, the card at the end of the first episode of The Phantom Empire (1935), promoting the next instalment:

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And fast forward to see who was waiting in line to see Star Wars in 1977:


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In 1983:

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And 1999:

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2017:

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You assume that it's a secret conspiracy. In reality there's a well documented, overt agenda right on the surface, involving ideas that subservient people are too ADHD to bother familiarizing themselves with. Do you honestly think that Hollywood has no political agenda? :cuckoo: Do you honestly think that the Harvard educated writing rooms aren't filled with indoctrinated people who, as captive audiences within meritocratic institutions, weren't sold irrational philosophies that undermine logic and reason?

My sister in-law asked for help writing a sociology paper in an elective course. All of the questions she had to choose from involved "value" assumptions and culture, and all of the literature relevant to her assignment involved PoMo. If you take any arts courses, Post Modernism is unavoidable. If you want a job in a writing room, you need an arts degree. There's no conspiracy. It's indoctrination. You just have your head buried in the sand, like a good worker bee. :wave

Nope I don't "assume" that its a "secret" conspiracy...because there is no conspiracy!!! So because you sister in-law took one weird Sociology class there is now proof of a Hollywood conspiracy??? Yikes! This is precisely the foil hat craziness that I was talking about...have you considered that writers will always write from their own perspective and world view regardless of who they are? I am truly sorry that in 2017 most educated writers see women as more than objects of affection or damsels in distress and minorities as more than domestic servants but it is what it is. It's not a conspiracy it's simply a changing world...maybe you should avoid movies in general...there are a ton of books to keep you busy that may better align with your perspective.
 
You know that western society has hit rock bottom when their culture is defined by something as puerile as Star Wars. :lol

Don't be mean. Let the girls play in the sandpit too.

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I'm not arguing that Star Wars should continue being for boys, only. I have no problem with a female protagonist, and it only makes sense that the cast would include racial diversity that better reflects the world we live in.

However, men who are now between the ages of 35-50 were raised with gender in mind. There were certain norms involving individualism (anti-authoritarianism, self-sufficiency, proficiency in wielding violence) that were interwoven throughout Star Wars and most other films, back then. 40 years later, people who subscribe to 3rd wave feminism decided to market Star Wars to those 35-50 year old men by appealing to nostalgia. These men take their kids to a film, only to be subjected to a lengthy, boring, absurd and frankly puzzling clusterf#@$% of socialist, chauvinistic norms delivered by consistently flawed men. Their flaw? Individualism, in the form of self-sufficiency, anti-authoritarianism or violence.

Should individualism as a norm be tethered to gender? Of course not. EVERYONE should care about freedom. However, to turn Star Wars into a leftist screed where individualism is portrayed as toxic, then to further blame our culture's individualism on the toxicity of men, is nonsense. Worse, to shoe-horn that into a movie originally marketed to young boys? That's practically trolling.

None of my grievances are sexist. Not one. The subtext of Star Wars was sexist. As for beta males, only a beta male would shrug off chauvinistic propaganda aimed at them, that tells men we need to be less self-sufficient, anti-authoritarian and violent. There's nothing more beta than a man (or woman, or trans person) who doesn't care about their freedom.
 
Feeling your “maleness” threatened by an entertainment vehicle is the true issue here...

If your manhood is obsessed and concerned with being diminished by a movie, I would suggest not much of a manhood existed to begin with.



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No one cares about the political ramifications of sociology or post modernism so please move along from the alleged political angle of this film and just get back to discussing the film, normally without any soap boxes, otherwise my infraction button will get used.
You have been warned.
Thank you.


What I want to know is who kills Luke?, yeh yeh I've not seen it yet :lol
Thanks.
x :peace
 
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