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Interesting review on AICN...

Massawyrm says PUNISHER WAR ZONE is the STARSHIP TROOPERS of comicbook movies!!

Hola all. Massawyrm here.

First things first, Punisher War Zone is not GOOD. Oh, ^^^^ no. It is a stiflingly stupid mess of a film that flings itself repeatedly headlong into a brick wall of absurdity. If you’re one of those guys crawling out of their mother’s basement, wearing a Punisher t-shirt and carrying two prop sub machine guns drooling over how awesome a movie this could really be, this movie might upset you a little. If you lay awake at night dreaming of how Hollywood could make a truly incredible Punisher film if only they listened to you and pulled the movie right out of your head, you might come to curse the name Lexi Alexander. Hell, if you’ve so much as photo shopped your head onto the Punisher’s body and used it as an avatar over on Superherohype, then you are gonna ^^^^ yourself with disappointment when you finally see this. Because let me tell you something, Hollywood may never make a serious, real, honest to god Punisher movie.

Lexi Alexander sure didn’t. And you know what? I’m glad she didn’t.

The Punisher is a relic of a bygone era. A product of his time, he began his comic career as a Spiderman villain. An unstable Vietnam vet with an unending grudge against criminals, Frank Castle emerged with his own comic during the rise of the anti-hero in the early to mid 80’s alongside such luminaries as Wolverine and Batman’s reinvention as The Dark Knight. But unlike Bruce Wayne or Logan, Frank Castle wasn’t multilayered or in any way deep. He was a psychopath - a deranged, ^^^^ed up killer who lost his family in an act of random violence and in turn became the boogeyman for criminals in New York City. And like the popular boogiemen of the time - Freddy, Jason and Michael Meyers – the best part of watching Frank’s adventures wasn’t to see why he went after certain guys or what their backstory was. It was to see how he was going to kill the next guy and what clever, inventive, devilishly brutal way he was going to go about doing it.

So yeah, as a kid, I ^^^^ing loved him.

But a few years ago they put out a Punisher video game that kind of changed the way I looked at him. The cover proudly proclaimed there was something like 100 different ways to punish the guilty – and then challenged you to find them all. The picture was of Frank holding a guy under a drill press, and for a second I though “Awesome! This is gonna kick ass,” only to begin to wonder “Why isn’t there a Nightmare on Elm Street game in which you run around slaughtering teenagers with 100 different ways to punish the kids of Elm Street?” Because that’s all this is. I know, I know. “These guys are guilty! They’re bad guys! It’s okay to delight in watching their slaughter.” It sure is. I love a good slasher movie, myself. But it’s impossible to pretend nowadays that this is anything but that.

It’s not the 80’s anymore. Batman has substance and is conflicted. Wolverine has substance and is conflicted. The Punisher? He’s a cartoon.

And that’s exactly how Lexi Alexander sees him. She doesn’t take this movie seriously for a second. Her approach is identical to that of Paul Verhoeven on Robocop and especially Starship Troopers. This isn’t a movie glorifying The Punisher. This is a film with its tongue placed firmly in cheek, subtly making fun of him every chance it gets. AND I LOVE IT FOR THAT. Not because I think the Punisher is deserving of mockery, but because Alexander gets it. She sees Frank for what he is and set out to make a glorious, deliciously fun romp through his grime covered universe. And in doing so she actually managed to make the most faithful, spot on adaptation of the comic we are likely ever to see.

There are exactly three things she gets right in this that no one will dispute. The first is that, for the first time in history, someone has made a movie in which the Punisher actually shows up. Not that ^^^^^ Thomas Jane version. Not Dolph Lundgren and his silly traipsing through the sewers on a motorcycle. THE PUNISHER. When Ray Stevenson first appears in the dark holding a burning flare – you see him. You know it’s him. When he speaks, you hear Frank Castle. Not some lame facsimile. This is one cold, brutal son of a ^^^^^ who is going to kill every mother ^^^^er in the room. And then he does.

The second thing she gets right is the origin. Not only does Frank Castle look and sound like he should – his origin is intact. This is not a sequel to the last film. Lexi took a fantastic approach to the last film and said ^^^^ that piece of ^^^^. She went back to the well. There isn’t a single shred of the last movie’s storyline in this. Franks family died in random gang violence. In New York City. And he lives underground where he is helped by a bevy of characters from straight out of the comic book. Comic book fans will love the attention to detail.

And lastly, she made this bloody as ^^^^. This movie doesn’t play around. The second the ^^^^ goes down, The Punisher starts punishing. Guys get decapitated, grenades blow off limbs, bullets rip bloody chunks out of people. And heads…explode…kind of a lot. This thing is soaked in blood from the very first moments of the film until the very end. At times it has this whole Robocop meets Story of Ricky thing going on. He punches through a guy’s head for ^^^^s sake. It’s just silly.

And really, that’s the core of this film. It is camp. Deliberate camp that doesn’t feel overly self-aware. I mean, when a guy gets hit square in the chest with a grenade and just plum vanishes in a puff of smoke on what is OBVIOUSLY a soundstage, you know that Alexander isn’t being serious. The dialog is unspeakable, but often howl-inducing. Just about every actor in the film chews up scenery like they were told it was craft services. And almost every set is a gaudy soundstage drenched in neon. There are just scenes of such absurdity – up to and including Frank walking across the street, in plain view of pedestrians, with guns holstered all over his body – that you can’t for a moment take this seriously. It is gloriously over the top, a hilarious film that perfectly gets The Punisher right while never for a moment taking him seriously. Hell, from the moment Seinfeld’s Newman walks in to sell Frank guns (You can almost hear him say “Hey jerry, guess what I got”) to the Dockers commercial flashbacks of his family life, this movie will make you piss yourself with laughter.

And I love the ^^^^ out of it. Like I said, it’s not good. But it’s fun, it’s gory and often times it is quite inventive. It never gets boring and it’s never so bad it hurts. It is always so bad it’s good. This is a midnight movie for folks who love MIDNIGHT MOVIES. Vern is gonna lose his mind over this. The beer-and-buddies crowd is gonna have a field day. And make sure when and if you do go to take a friend to lean over and crack wise with. But don’t take this seriously. For a second. The hardcore Punisher fans? They’re gonna hate the hell out of this. They’re gonna piss vinegar and spit blood screaming about how Hollywood needs to finally take the Punisher seriously. They might even be deluded enough to say that the previous effort was the only good Punisher film. And they would be wrong.

They’re gonna hate this. Unless they’re in on the joke. Like you.

Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em.

Massawyrm

Sometimes I'd like to get my hands on God. And I'd really kind of like to make HIM watch Thomas Jane's Punisher movie.
 
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Did I miss something? Was Tom Jane's Punisher really that bad?

Also that's a horrible review :lol The guy starts by saying that Hollywood will never do a Punisher movie like the comics and that the fans will hate it, but then proceeds to describe a movie that is exactly like the Punisher from the comics and is exactly what the fans have wanted.

This movie's still a mystery for the time being I guess. I have to admit, it looks like a pile of s#$%...but at least Jigsaw has me intrigued.
 
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wat was wrong with tom jane as punisher i reckon he did an awesome job.....
 
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Jane did great....but....but...Stevenson looks like the meanist mother ^^^^er on the planet. I'll see it Sunday.
 
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i have to agree with you celtic.....stevenson looks more like the frank castle in comics.
 
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I've never read any Punisher comics....so i'm just going off looks. Jane is a badass too. But in a different way.
 
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Well the trailer looks pretty weak, but I'm going to see it anyway. Lionsgate shocked me last Dec. with the super violent and really good Rambo flick. Not expecting the Punisher to be nearly as good, but the reviews say gore-hounds will rejoice. I support hard R rated flicks as much as I can. Roger Ebert gave the film a bad review stating the film was too violent. That makes me want to run to the moive house right away.
 
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this is a rental for me. seeing him hanging from the ceiling shooting guns did me in,it looks horrible.rental at most.
 
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Sounds like a good time :D

I grew up on Clint's Dity Harry tough as nails character, Stallone's unstopable Rambo and Arnold's billions of indestructable characters. All put in unrealistic situations, performing feats of super human strength and dodging thousands of bullets, explosions only to kick the bad guys a$$ like a manly man......they were fun and I loved them.

Rambo 4 brought back the good ole days, I'm hoping The Punisher continues the same quarkiness. The Punisher is either taken seriously and is dark, brooding and conflicted (TDK) or he just kicks a$$. It is hard to mix the two successfully and there is no inbetween. Sounds like he just kicks a$$ in a bunch of unrealistic ways, performing feats of super human strength and dodging thousands of bullets. I can't wait.....:gun
 
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Sounds like a good time :D

I grew up on Clint's Dity Harry tough as nails character, Stallone's unstopable Rambo and Arnold's billions of indestructable characters. All put in unrealistic situations, performing feats of super human strength and dodging thousands of bullets, explosions only to kick the bad guys a$$ like a manly man......they were fun and I loved them.

Rambo 4 brought back the good ole days, I'm hoping The Punisher continues the same quarkiness. The Punisher is either taken seriously and is dark, brooding and conflicted (TDK) or he just kicks a$$. It is hard to mix the two successfully and there is no inbetween. Sounds like he just kicks a$$ in a bunch of unrealistic ways, performing feats of super human strength and dodging thousands of bullets. I can't wait.....:gun

well said. I don't think it had the budget to have both a$$ kicking and conflict in it but Dirty Harry meets Commando is fine with me.
 
Well i just got back from seeing it and i got to say i enjoyed it. I thought it was better than the first one, and some of the acting was at times questionable and the dialogue had its moments but all together the action and style was much more punisher. Its by no means batman, but as a punisher fan i feel like they may have done him a little more of a justice, but by no means is it the end all beat all movie from marvel.

so if you like the character and violence then its a movie to give a try.
 
so, the guy who plays the Punisher (his name escapes me right now) pulls it off? He looked awkward in some of the trailers so I've avoided it so far, but I am a fan of the old War Journal comics and would be willing to go if it's better than the Dolph Lundgren original. :monkey4
 
so, the guy who plays the Punisher (his name escapes me right now) pulls it off? He looked awkward in some of the trailers so I've avoided it so far, but I am a fan of the old War Journal comics and would be willing to go if it's better than the Dolph Lundgren original. :monkey4

in my opinion Ray Stevenson (the new guy) did a pretty good job,he acted well with the script that he had. He looks alot like the comic book character and does well in the action sequences. Its truely not a perfect test of acting talent, it seemed akward at times only because alot of the other characters were ed being over acted all around him.
 
i thought the movie was pretty great. really cheesy, but its a comic book movie. they finally nailed the Punisher with the right amount of violence and action. hopefully we'll get another.
 
I returned from seeing the movie.

Stevenson is a great choice as the Punisher. He more closely resembles the comic book character than Jane (and I enjoyed Jane's performance). He looks, acts and talks like you expect the Punisher and his acting is decent.

Stevenson's character, a few decent action and humor sequences is about all the movie offers. The supporting characters, the story and the predictable ending make it an average flick at best. :confused:
 
these opinions are what matters to me because i believe it's how I would feel after the way you described it. i plan on seeing it because i love the punisher and i want to support his movies in hopes they'll do well and the studios will up the budget if we get another one.
 
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