Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Rorywan]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

No boobies of any kind I'm afraid mate, not even xenoboobies....

 

[greygoose]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

I know this is out in the UK, so come on you Brits, make with the massive Spoilers. I love 'em.

What do you want to know?

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I did state at the beginning of my post that it was my take on it, I never said it was not up for debate.

I was addressing that stance as a whole, sorry. Because you're not the first person I've seen that's said that.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

Lets talk about the "flute"....

 

[Moloch Horridus]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Hi, first post and a rather long one if you count the spoilers. I'd like to remind you that English is not my native language so please forgive that and just bash me because of my opinions

I'm registering here just to post my questions and opinions on the movie because this forum is the main place I've read rumours and speculation prior to theatrical release. Thanks for enjoyable discussions so far.

I saw Prometheus two days ago and to me it was somewhat of a disappointment. I'll see it again tomorrow, but it most probably will not be much better the second time. Don't get me wrong, the movie was ok but there were so many things wrong with it there is no way that I'm going to call it great or maybe even good.

Let's deconstruct the plot points:

Spoiler:

Let's start from the very beginning...
Why show the engineer, the ship and the primordial earth? At least if your have read any info on the movie before watching it you'll know how the main underlying theme ends up turning out. Sure it would be most likely that jockeys are our ancestors, but not necessarily. Scene itself was pretty nice (except the robes), but still totally unimportant and spoilerish.

Our protagonists aren't properly introduced before racing of to action and in my opinion this is one of the most important failings of Prometheus. At no point I felt any connection with the characters and thus anything they endured was just a scene in a movie.
Compare this to Alien where even with somewhat little of exposition of characters made them feel alive, real human beings not just cliché spattering stereotypical beef-jerky for the monsters.

Why is there no clear leader of the expedition in the first place, this is not a military campaign I get it but still, billions were spent and nobody thought any better than let a couple of young archeologists seemingly run the show? Holloway pops his helmet off while others whine that it might not be such a good idea, this doesn't lead to anything bad but still, no leadership to prevent stupid actions of the group.
They didn't even properly scan the area with instruments aboard Prometheus before setting off to the temple. At least we don't get to see it, and the way they work anyway it doesn't seem to be their style. Just rush into things and hope for the best. This unrealistic behaviour breaks any and all suspension of disbelief.
How did such unprofessional personnel as Fifield and Millburn get to go in the first place? I mean these guys just break away from the group when they get scared and start wandering around... Fifield's pups just mapped the complex and yet they are lost now trying to find the way out. Talk about a lame way to force couple of scenes in the movie, even if those scenes were nice. Maybe they too were just guinea pigs?

Why is there a room with giant head statue and life/death ampoules? Later those presumably very same kind of ampoules are seen stacked ceiling high in storage room of the ship. Surely the room is not for worship or storage really, so is it a trap? Not a very useful one if so. Yet the waking of the ampoules suggest that this is the case indeed. If so, why did the engineers escape that way? Couldn't be the only way to the ship. And to leave your most precious weapons and creation technology laying on the floor, for any random android to carry it away, as a trap. Way to go jockeys.

When the storm hits why on earth is the crew to return to Prometheus? Wouldn't it be pretty straightforward to think that this structure that has stood here g... engineer knows how long will be quite enough to shelter them? At this point there weren't any threats inside as far as anybody knew. So they race the storm back to Prometheus and nearly die trying to recover head of a jockey just to discover that Fifield and Millburn were left behind. Communication links seemed to work just fine when good old captain Janek contacted them again to snidely tell them they would have to wait in the temple after hinting for a life form showing on the scan.

Again we see scientist take off their masks after deeming the head of the unknown species found in an unknown planet with an unknown ecosystem and technology probably non-infectious and otherwise safe after one swift test. In this case they are as wrong as they are reckless.
Recovered jockeyhead explodes after closer inspection, why? What makes ages ago severed head suddenly explode? It was in contact with air before in the temple, why not explode inside the helmet? This whole set of scenes is totally unnecessary, it leads to nothing and is there only to drive some action described above. Remains of the head or the helmet are not seen again, maybe they just discarded them as trash.

Meanwhile David opens an ampoule he smuggled back to the ship and seems to have at least some kind of idea what the black oily fluid inside might do. Are Shaw and Holloway taken along just as guinea pigs? This is suggested by David's actions as androids don't have feelings to get hurt by Holloways openly dismissing disposition towards artificial life.

At this point Fifield and Millburn have found their courage as they approach cobra-like creature and get killed. The scene itself is good, but yet again unnecessary to the movie as whole. Just for quick thrill and shock value. Is this cobra-creature LV-223's original inhabitant which caused engineers to panic or is it a byproduct of leaking life/death ampoules?
Janek and Vickers get it on after really awkward conversation and again that's that. Neither of the characters is interesting or fleshed out in any way so this matters as much as anything. The point is that she's not an android, she's Weyland.

Returning to the temple crew finds the two of its more unfortunate members and the now leaking ampoules. Holloway starts to show infectious signs and the party decides to head back to the ship yet again. David has wandered of on his own and is found a navigation room of the ship which he operates with little or no difficulty at all.
Back at the ship Vickers torches infected Holloway and next thing we see is David diagnosing Shaw pregnant as he probably expected. At this point there is more evidence of other crew members being part of the reckless experiment as Ford and someone other are trying to get Shaw ready to go into stasis. I said reckless because if others than David are in on it, why aren't Shaw and Holloway kept restrained and isolated after they have sex and thus both infected in different ways?

Failing to do their job Ford and company are knocked out and Shaw gets to operate squid-like thing out of her stomach by herself. Again the scene is good, bur leads to nothing. I can't remember any conflict with Ford and Shaw later. There weren't any real conflict with Shaw and David either though, so maybe she's just really forgiving and trusting. Or stupid. Oh, and the whole squid in the stomach episode is not even mentioned anymore.

Weyland appears, for no other reason really than meaning to lead group back to temple once again. His character is totally out of place and while I can understand his scientifical interest in meeting his maker I can't still see why his going along with the group in the condition he has rather than waiting in the ship for the mountain to get to him instead. Anyway, from now on Shaw is apparently full member of the crew again.

Zombified Fifield returns to ship and kills some of the crew before being killed. Nothing more comes of this either (see the theme here?). What in the black oily substance kills some, zombifies others, sometimes creates life like the cobra perhaps and certainly the squid inside Shaw? Pure chance, I presume.
Out of the blue Janek suggest that this place is a weapons storage facility and agrees with cut and stitched Shaw that nothing should be brought back to earth. Is he lying since he didn't seem to have any regard for Fifield and Millburn in the temple with an unknown life form before. Later it seems he just didn't care for them.

Searching for immortality Weyland and the company leave ship once again for the last living engineer David discovered earlier. In the ship everyone but Shaw gets killed and David continues to function in two parts. Prometheus crashes jockey ship, Janek and others die. Vickers escapes on a lifepod. I didn't care.
Too much close calls in the crash sequence made it feel forced. Actually the movie would have been better if both Shaw and Vickers would have died at this point.

We wouldn't have to see somehow escaped engineer trying to kill Shaw only to be orally raped by giant squid once thought to be dead and neutralised. I guess no one had the time to dispose of it once it was lying unconscious in the medpod. Maybe the cleaning lady died in some random scene before?
Or that Shaw flies off to find homeplanet of engineers with her pal David "the head" android. Or that the violated engineer gives birth to fanserving proto-alien. Duh.

Some speculation and more ranting:

Spoiler:

The script was ____, none of the human characters were believable in their actions. There wasn't any real character development and no time was used to really discuss the underlying ideas of forced evolution and the possible reasons for it. Other than "they probably did it because they could" of course. Couple of remarks were made on how one can be both scientist and believer but these were so half assed it would have been better to leave them out altogether. She wears a cross, see. She's sad because she's infertile and gets upset when her boyfriend talks about ability to create life. Then she is carrying his "baby" but wants to get rid of it. Deep.
In the end David was the only one who acted logically and in realistic manner, and he was programmed to reach a certain goal no matter the cost. He has no fear for his own (artificial)life, only for Weylands... Other crew members were human I believe, therefore they should act less like robots being railroaded to drive action forward (I dear not even say plot anymore).

It was almost like David had prior knowledge about this place and race, though that could be just his superior intelligence. It would explain all the trouble for getting Weyland there too if they knew something in advance. Just like the company in Alien knows what the signal on LV-426 means and just sends the crew to pickup some cargo. This also explains why Prometheus "doesn't pickup" the same signal on flyby. Though I doubt script writers thought of it.

Can't really say anything about the other characters. They just happened to be there. So much of the movie was just cheap thrills for their own sake that pretty much all of the two hours running time was action. I felt it was too short afterwards, could have easily been three hours if there were any real plot and advancement in it. I would've preferred it.
I feared that letting Lindelof co-author the script would produce a turd. Like in Lost things just happen, characters are there to support action and to die at regular intervals. Everything that happens is dropped so soon nothing really matters.

There were too many small similarities to Alien in general, almost if someone (Scott, writers, studio?) wanted to put them in to give us fans of Alien something.
- Vickers refusing to let Holloway back inside, Ripley doing the same in Alien but failing.
- Android who clearly knows more than lets others know.
- Headless David giving advice, decapitated Ash mocking others, both leading other to do their bidding.
- Flamethrowers, it's really not very efficient weapon and in Alien it was all they could throw together. In Prometheus they have regular firearms also. Cool, but just fanservice.
- Something growing inside a human being, in Alien it was integral and in Prometheus just another separate scene.
- Acid bleeding, oral raping monsters

They also returned to theme in Aliens, Ripley being childless after her daughter dying while she was in hyper sleep and then the fear of carrying a monster.
There are probably much more but nothing I can't remember right now.

I had high hopes for the cobra-creature, but it was a real let down.

I'll see it again, and while those spoiler-tagged parts may suggest that I hated the movie it's not true. I enjoyed it the first time, but I'm not sure I'll enjoy it the second time now that there's been time to think more about it. Cool trailer material may be all Prometheus ends up being in my opinion. I hope we'll see a lot longer cut at some point.

Did I miss or misunderstood something, or just didn't get it?
Sorry.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

Lets talk about the "flute"....

A big WTF on that one.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Did I miss or misunderstood something, or just didn't get it?
Sorry.

That's a very long first post.

 

[Rogue Trooper]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

Loved the movie but so many questions

- Why were the space josckeys running away, the snakes?
- What was the Fifield turning into and really what was the point in that? (could his head be turning in xenomoprh?)
- Cool snake thing but that thread didn't go anywhere. Male rape ala aliens ut acid for blood was cool.
- Shaw made a proto-facehugger?
- Why make a trillion dollar ship, then to ensure ship and crew safety, stock it full of booze?
- An Engineer uses the black goo and sacrafices himself to seed life on earth, then black goo used to wipe out earth. Black goo worms turn life to something new, octopus alien. Im confused here
- What was the piont of the giant head, a tomb. Originally i came up with the idea that that chamber was the human gene room and what was up with the green crystal, krptonite?

- More i think about it the more questions i come up with but Hands in the air! and enjoy the film.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Can anyone speculate:

Spoiler:

The size of the Protoxeno compared to the fully grown Big Chap or any other alien in the series.

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

- An Engineer uses the black goo and sacrafices himself to seed life on earth, then black goo used to wipe out earth. Black goo worms turn life to something new, octopus alien. Im confused here

I don't get that part either. Maybe it'll make more sense when I see it, but just reading about that made me confused too.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

Ok, so if the "protoxeno" bursts from the engineer as a 'young adult', and not as a 'chestburster', this creature has to have a completely different life-cycle from the classic ALIEN, right? I wonder if the "protoxeno" is Scott's version of a queen, or at least something that serves as a genetic start to the ALIEN race. Where do the eggs come from, are they created by this creature (making it a queen) or do the Engineers still have a role to play?

I think it is entirely possible that Scott wants this creature to be what lays the eggs that eventually end up on the derelict ship at the beginning of ALIEN. How the eggs get there is any one's guess (I personally like the idea someone mentioned of Weyland-Yutani manipulating the planetary code to hide what happened, and this planetoid is actually the same one from ALIEN/ALIENS). So if this "protoxeno" is the genetic origin of the creature, then the creature we know and love ONLY exists once human DNA is introduced to the facehugger, meaning the xeno in ALIEN was the first of it's kind. I know that has long been a part of the mythos (since ALIEN 3 and even the Dark Horse comics), but it is cool to see Scott touch on this.

I wonder if the purpose of the "squid" that comes from Shaw is to serve as the method in which her DNA, specifically the ability to create eggs, is introduced into the life cycle of the original ALIEN. Once the creature hugs the Engineer, the resulting "protoxeno" may contain a combination of mammalian reproduction with whatever the Engineer race uses for reproduction. I know we are told that humans evolved from an Engineer's genetic material, but we have to assume that at some point our evolution changed us enough from the Engineer's base genetic code.

I love the amount of 'grey area' that this movie leaves the viewer with after the credits, something you don't get very often anymore. I'm just hoping that the rest of the story gets told at some point.

I like the way you think. I've often had to use my own fanboy logic to cram a sequel/prequel into the same story arc as those that came before, and I can usually do it with enough satisfaction. Ultimately though, if it doesn't fit on its own, it never becomes canon for me. Kinda like I always enjoy any Jason Voorhees movie, but the canon stopped at part 6.

 

[DinoLast]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Hi, first post and a rather long one if you count the spoilers. I'd like to remind you that English is not my native language so please forgive that and just bash me because of my opinions

I'm registering here just to post my questions and opinions on the movie because this forum is the main place I've read rumours and speculation prior to theatrical release. Thanks for enjoyable discussions so far.

I saw Prometheus two days ago and to me it was somewhat of a disappointment. I'll see it again tomorrow, but it most probably will not be much better the second time. Don't get me wrong, the movie was ok but there were so many things wrong with it there is no way that I'm going to call it great or maybe even good.

Let's deconstruct the plot points:

Spoiler:

Let's start from the very beginning...
Why show the engineer, the ship and the primordial earth? At least if your have read any info on the movie before watching it you'll know how the main underlying theme ends up turning out. Sure it would be most likely that jockeys are our ancestors, but not necessarily. Scene itself was pretty nice (except the robes), but still totally unimportant and spoilerish.

Our protagonists aren't properly introduced before racing of to action and in my opinion this is one of the most important failings of Prometheus. At no point I felt any connection with the characters and thus anything they endured was just a scene in a movie.
Compare this to Alien where even with somewhat little of exposition of characters made them feel alive, real human beings not just cliché spattering stereotypical beef-jerky for the monsters.

Why is there no clear leader of the expedition in the first place, this is not a military campaign I get it but still, billions were spent and nobody thought any better than let a couple of young archeologists seemingly run the show? Holloway pops his helmet off while others whine that it might not be such a good idea, this doesn't lead to anything bad but still, no leadership to prevent stupid actions of the group.
They didn't even properly scan the area with instruments aboard Prometheus before setting off to the temple. At least we don't get to see it, and the way they work anyway it doesn't seem to be their style. Just rush into things and hope for the best. This unrealistic behaviour breaks any and all suspension of disbelief.
How did such unprofessional personnel as Fifield and Millburn get to go in the first place? I mean these guys just break away from the group when they get scared and start wandering around... Fifield's pups just mapped the complex and yet they are lost now trying to find the way out. Talk about a lame way to force couple of scenes in the movie, even if those scenes were nice. Maybe they too were just guinea pigs?

Why is there a room with giant head statue and life/death ampoules? Later those presumably very same kind of ampoules are seen stacked ceiling high in storage room of the ship. Surely the room is not for worship or storage really, so is it a trap? Not a very useful one if so. Yet the waking of the ampoules suggest that this is the case indeed. If so, why did the engineers escape that way? Couldn't be the only way to the ship. And to leave your most precious weapons and creation technology laying on the floor, for any random android to carry it away, as a trap. Way to go jockeys.

When the storm hits why on earth is the crew to return to Prometheus? Wouldn't it be pretty straightforward to think that this structure that has stood here g... engineer knows how long will be quite enough to shelter them? At this point there weren't any threats inside as far as anybody knew. So they race the storm back to Prometheus and nearly die trying to recover head of a jockey just to discover that Fifield and Millburn were left behind. Communication links seemed to work just fine when good old captain Janek contacted them again to snidely tell them they would have to wait in the temple after hinting for a life form showing on the scan.

Again we see scientist take off their masks after deeming the head of the unknown species found in an unknown planet with an unknown ecosystem and technology probably non-infectious and otherwise safe after one swift test. In this case they are as wrong as they are reckless.
Recovered jockeyhead explodes after closer inspection, why? What makes ages ago severed head suddenly explode? It was in contact with air before in the temple, why not explode inside the helmet? This whole set of scenes is totally unnecessary, it leads to nothing and is there only to drive some action described above. Remains of the head or the helmet are not seen again, maybe they just discarded them as trash.

Meanwhile David opens an ampoule he smuggled back to the ship and seems to have at least some kind of idea what the black oily fluid inside might do. Are Shaw and Holloway taken along just as guinea pigs? This is suggested by David's actions as androids don't have feelings to get hurt by Holloways openly dismissing disposition towards artificial life.

At this point Fifield and Millburn have found their courage as they approach cobra-like creature and get killed. The scene itself is good, but yet again unnecessary to the movie as whole. Just for quick thrill and shock value. Is this cobra-creature LV-223's original inhabitant which caused engineers to panic or is it a byproduct of leaking life/death ampoules?
Janek and Vickers get it on after really awkward conversation and again that's that. Neither of the characters is not interesting or fleshed out in any way so this matters as much as anything. The point is that she's not an android, she's Weyland.

Returning to the temple crew finds the two of its more unfortunate members and the now leaking ampoules. Holloway stars to show infectious signs and the party decides to head back to the ship yet again. David has wandered of on his own and is found a navigation room of the ship which he operates with little or no difficulty at all.
Back at the ship Vickers torches infected Holloway and next thing we see is David diagnosing Shaw pregnant as he probably expected. At this point there is more evidence of other crew members being part of the reckless experiment as Ford and someone other are trying to get Shaw ready to go into stasis. I said reckless because if others than David are in on it, why aren't Shaw and Holloway kept restrained and isolated after they have sex and thus both infected in different ways?

Failing to do their job Ford and company are knocked out and Shaw gets to operate squid-like thing out of her stomach by herself. Again the scene is good, bur leads to nothing. I can't remember any conflict with Ford and Shaw later. There weren't any real conflict with Shaw and David either though, so maybe she's just really forgiving and trusting. Or stupid. Oh, and the whole squid in the stomach episode is not even mentioned anymore.

Weyland appears, for no other reason really than meaning to lead group back to temple once again. His character is totally out of place and while I can understand his scientifical interest in meeting his maker I can't still see why his going along with the group in the condition he has rather than waiting in the ship for the mountain to get to him instead. Anyway, from now on Shaw is apparently full member of the crew again.

Zombified Fifield returns to ship and kills some of the crew before being killed. Nothing more comes of this either (see the theme here?). What in the black oily substance kills some, zombifies others, sometimes creates life like the cobra perhaps and certainly the squid inside Shaw? Pure chance, I presume.
Out of the blue Janek suggest that this place is a weapons storage facility and agrees with cut and stitched Shaw that nothing should be brought back to earth. Is he lying since he didn't seem to have any regard for Fifield and Millburn in the temple with an unknown life form before. Later it seems he just didn't care for them.

Searching for immortality Weyland and the company leave ship once again for the last living engineer David discovered earlier. In the ship everyone but Shaw gets killed and David continues to function in two parts. Prometheus crashes jockey ship, Janek and others die. Vickers escapes on a lifepod. I didn't care.
Too much close calls in the crash sequence made it feel forced. Actually the movie would have been better if both Shaw and Vickers would have died at this point.

We wouldn't have to see somehow escaped engineer trying to kill Shaw only to be orally raped by giant squid once thought to be dead and neutralised. I guess no one had the time to dispose of it once it was lying unconscious in the medpod. Maybe the cleaning lady died in some random scene before?
Or that Shaw flies off to find homeplanet of engineers with her pal David "the head" android. Or that the violated engineer gives birth to fanserving proto-alien. Duh.

Some speculation and more ranting:

Spoiler:

The script was ____, none of the human characters were believable in their actions. There wasn't any real character development and no time was used to really discuss the underlying ideas of forced evolution and the possible reasons for it. Other than "they probably did it because they could" of course. Couple of remarks were made on how one can be both scientist and believer but these were so half assed it would have been better to leave them out altogether. She wears a cross, see. She's sad because she's infertile and gets upset when her boyfriend talks about ability to create life. Then she is carrying his "baby" but wants to get rid of it. Deep.
In the end David was the only one who acted logically and in realistic manner, and he was programmed to reach a certain goal no matter the cost. He has no fear for his own (artificial)life, only for Weylands... Other crew members were human I believe, therefore they should act less like robots being railroaded to drive action forward (I dear not even say plot anymore).

It was almost like David had prior knowledge about this place and race, though that could be just his superior intelligence. It would explain all the trouble for getting Weyland there too if they knew something in advance. Just like the company in Alien knows what the signal on LV-426 means and just sends the crew to pickup some cargo. This also explains why Prometheus "doesn't pickup" the same signal on flyby. Though I doubt script writers thought of it.

Can't really say anything about the other characters. They just happened to be there. So much of the movie was just cheap thrills for their own sake that pretty much all of the two hours running time was action. I felt it was too short afterwards, could have easily been three hours if there were any real plot and advancement in it. I would've preferred it.
I feared that letting Lindelof co-author the script would produce a turd. Like in Lost things just happen, characters are there to support action and to die at regular intervals. Everything that happens is dropped so soon nothing really matters.

There were too many small similarities to Alien in general, almost if someone (Scott, writers, studio?) wanted to put them in to give us fans of Alien something.
- Vickers refusing to let Holloway back inside, Ripley doing the same in Alien but failing.
- Android who clearly knows more than lets others know.
- Headless David giving advice, decapitated Ash mocking others, both leading other to do their bidding.
- Flamethrowers, it's really not very efficient weapon and in Alien it was all they could throw together. In Prometheus they have regular firearms also. Cool, but just fanservice.
- Something growing inside a human being, in Alien it was integral and in Prometheus just another separate scene.
- Acid bleeding, oral raping monsters

They also returned to theme in Aliens, Ripley being childless after her daughter dying while she was in hyper sleep and then the fear of carrying a monster.
There are probably much more but nothing I can't remember right now.

I had high hopes for the cobra-creature, but it was a real let down.

I'll see it again, and while those spoiler-tagged parts may suggest that I hated the movie it's not true. I enjoyed it the first time, but I'm not sure I'll enjoy it the second time now that there's been time to think more about it. Cool trailer material may be all Prometheus ends up being in my opinion. I hope we'll see a lot longer cut at some point.

Did I miss or misunderstood something, or just didn't get it?
Sorry.

That's quite a lot.

Spoiler:

First off you are seeing Alien's characters in a different light to how many critics saw them in 1979, in fact quite a few reviews including Time Out said the same thing about the characters in that movie.

For me the crew of the Nostromo become more fleshed out throughout the movie, we hardly know who they are until they visit the Alien spaceship. Same with this movie, but I found the main characters were strong in this film, the smaller parts did suffer though, Maybe it would have been better if the cast were smaller, but it would make less sense. Also who gave a crap when _____meyer, Drake, or Frost die in Aliens? Yet people don't seem to mind about that?

The Engineer is not unimportant for those who don't watch or read spoilers. I for one am glad it's in there at the start and gives a good reason to why the mission is so important, also we know more of what this bio material can do to a humanoid right from the get go, and that this stuff was important for our creation.

The leader was Weyland, the Scientists being in charge was a ruse. Vickers explained that to them half way through (She had her orders and so did David).

This is set before Alien, so they needed the probes that Fifield brings along, talking of Fifield how did we know Fifield and Milburn will act like that, until they acted like that? Remember Lt Gorman? He was in charge in Aliens, and what a good job he did.

It was only one pup that was stuck, not all of them, and it was stuck at the door of the cockpit, we see it when David opens the door. The others were working fine and mapped out the rest of the ship.

I think the room with the giant head is the lab, maybe that's the reason soil is in that room? They may have sealed it to prevent an outbreak, but it was too late, that is why there are many dead bodies piled outside it. Also the cockpit was also sealed maybe by the surviving Engineer before he put himself in cryostasis?

Getting back to the ship, they could have waited, but they were keen to get back home. Once again it's no sillier than landing on a planet and leaving nobody on the main ship in case there is problem? How convenient Mr Cameron.

In the end it's a movie. Yes it has faults, but as I have shown especially with Aliens, it's predecessors had them too.
That's it for now.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Can anyone speculate:

Spoiler:

The size of the Protoxeno compared to the fully grown Big Chap or any other alien in the series.

I haven't yet seen it, but I love to speculate, and I've read all the spoilers so here's my thoughts

Spoiler:

Maybe a xeno's size is proportional to its host. Or maybe it had more room to grow in a larger organism, thus making it a larger 'burster'. Maybe they don't burst at a set stage of development, but simply when they run out of room.

It may also be that the Engineers DNA was the difference maker. All other Aliens we've seen have come from Earth creatures. I hate to refer to the AVP universe, but the Predalien was much larger than regular Aliens (though its burster form may not have been much bigger than one from a human).

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

Maybe a xeno's size is proportional to its host. Or maybe it had more room to grow in a larger organism, thus making it a larger 'burster'. Maybe they don't burst at a set stage of development, but simply when they run out of room. It may also be that the Engineers DNA was the difference maker. All other Aliens we've seen have come from Earth creatures.

Haven't seen it either so this question is for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler:

Is the hole that the "protoxeno" makes in the Engineer's chest the same size as the hole in the Space Jockey's chest from the 79 flick!? Because remember an Alien popped out of there too (Engineer/non-Earth creature). Also, that whole host-size thing has never made much sense because the Aliens that come from humans are the same size as the one from Alien 3 that came out of a Dog/Ox (SE version). So I don't think host-size matters to their overall size as adults. I think the only important thing about hosts is, what traits they inherent.

Humans = 2 legs
Animals = 4 legs (The Alien from the 3rd movie runs around like a doggie e.g.)
Predator = Some Pred traits

etc.

 

[Rogue Trooper]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Can anyone speculate:

Spoiler:

The size of the Protoxeno compared to the fully grown Big Chap or any other alien in the series.

Spoiler:

Reckon it got to be same size as a person, maybe slightly smaller.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Good, bad, or otherwise, this whole saga is a cluster____ to make work in a perfectly cohesive way. Every writer and director has added their own things to it, making it impossible to all really exist in one reality.

 

[Rogue Trooper]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Haven't seen it either so this question is for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler:

Is the hole that the "protoxeno" makes in the Engineer's chest the same size as the hole in the Space Jockey's chest from the 79 flick!? Because remember an Alien popped out of there too (Engineer/non-Earth creature). Also, that whole host-size thing has never made much sense because the Aliens that come from humans are the same size as the one from Alien 3 that came out of a Dog/Ox (SE version). So I don't think host-size matters to their overall size as adults. I think the only important thing about hosts is, what traits they inherent.

Humans = 2 legs
Animals = 4 legs (The Alien from the 3rd movie runs around like a doggie e.g.)
Predator = Some Pred traits

etc.

Spoiler:

Hole protoxeno makes is huge compared to the space jockey in Alien the hole in the chest looked like it would be a chestburster but protoxeno pops out what i assume fully grown man sized.

 

[Viking Spawn]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Okay, now I'm getting mixed feelings without reading everyone's spoilers. So tempting since I still have 5 days to wait!

Perhaps everyone should rate it from 1 to 10 to give the rest of us an idea on how it is?

Now that the movie is out overseas, perhaps we'll be seeing some toys from HT & NECA?

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Haven't seen it either so this question is for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler:

Is the hole that the "protoxeno" makes in the Engineer's chest the same size as the hole in the Space Jockey's chest from the 79 flick!?

Spoiler:

From what I remember the Protoxeno seemed to come out of his whole upper torso. It was alot bigger than the hole seen in Alien.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

What the hell is a "flute".

I want to know all the things that can be interpreted as "links" to the A L I E N story.