Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

So pretty much guaranteed a TDKR's trailer tomorrow.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-prometheus-snow-white-uk-332235

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

This is not exactly a prequel because the ship that crashed in this movie is not the same one found by Ripley and co.

I disagree. But it's mostly semantics and how people define a "prequel" when it comes to movies.

Spoiler:

Prometheus IS a prequel. Does the ending of that film line up with the beginning of Alien? No. But neither does the ending/beginning of Hannibal Rising/Red Dragon or Star Wars Episode III/IV or most prequels that precede an existing film. There's usually a significant gap in-between the films.

Spoiler:

The ship found in Alien is a ship that became contaminated millions of years before the one in this movie (That's why it's fossilised)

This is up for debate IMO.

Spoiler:

The assumption by Dallas (and it's an early one before they realize that the Alien creature has acid for blood) is that the ship they encounter and the pilot inside (space jockey/engineer) has been "fossilized" so it must've been there for a long time. But with the release of Prometheus, that assumption has actually been proven wrong. Because we now know that was just a suit the space jockey wears. So the area Dallas looks at and assumes is fossilized bone is actually acid-burned suit (I think it's obvious now the chest burster was damaged and bled ripping out of not only the space jockey's chest but also its suit).

Not only that, the reason Dallas and crew are awakened en-route back to Earth is because their ship intercepts a distress call from the Derelict on LV-426. Well if Prometheus takes place on LV-223 (a moon of LV-426) and there's a living space jockey in stasis there, wouldn't he have also been alerted to that S.O.S. call if that ship had been on LV-426 for "millions of years"!?

I think the ship/space jockey/cargo that crashes on LV-426 happens AFTER Prometheus. And I don't think it's been there as long as people originally assumed.

 

[CelticPredator]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

It aint a prequel prequel. It's got prequel like qualities, but it's not a full on, the movie ends right when the Nostromo leaves the station.


I think. I don't know.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Eh, I hope it's been there for millions of years. I like that idea better. And they could easily come up with some reason for the Prometheus not picking up the distress signal.

And I don't see why the suit itself can't become fossilized. Although they went with a more mechanical feel in Prometheus, they didn't just throw out the biological part.

I think what you said is more likely..but I don't think it's been "proven wrong" yet.

...@Devil

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

it's not a full on, the movie ends right when the Nostromo leaves the station.

And like I said, prequels rarely end right where the movie they precede begins.

I don't see why the suit itself can't become fossilized. Although they went with a more mechanical feel in Prometheus, they didn't just throw out the biological part.

Again, it's semantics. The term "Fossilized" that's used in Alien was just a way to convey that what they were looking at had been there a minute i.e. that ship didn't just crash. They didn't literally mean it was fossilized because that would be physically impossible.

 

[eighthsamurai]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

i agree with devil. i still consider it a prequel even if

Spoiler:

they don't line up perfectly.

but i agree that it's all semantics and each person's definition of prequel will be different. someone else might consider

Spoiler:

prometheus a sequel to ALL films since it shows where human beings came from

Spoiler:

also not sure about the fossilization. maybe the materials were severely weathered or had deposits on them, but that could happen over any time span if we're not 100% sure of the atmosphere on LV-426. and we also don't know how fast the aliens are able to evolve, so the proto xeno in prometheus could easily develop into the alien xeno in the 50 or so years between movies.

that's one thing i love about promotheus. lots of potential for speculation and debate and you get to go to town with spoiler tags.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I loved it, the music, the visuals, the atmosphere.
However.. the plot was very very loose and undefined.

The only real plot points are given through awkward exposition by characters who have no way to know what they are saying.
Very odd.

True it doesn't tie into Alien, at all really, and I didn't expect it to, it doesn't answer any questions posed by that movie, the problem is though, it doesn't answer any of it's own questions either. And I will never understand why Guy Pearce is in it. Pity the script didn't match the design and visual beauty of the movie.

I still loved it though.

 

[Gates70]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I thought I heard somewhere that this was a prequel to the prequel ? A 2-movie set before A L I E N

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Nah, they have said if there is a Prometheus sequel, it would go even further away from the alien world.

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I think it's a trilogy of a sequel based on a prequel of sequel trilogies that eventually become a prequel with sequel elements mixed in with trilogy aspects.

 

[Gates70]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I think it's a trilogy of a sequel based on a prequel of sequel trilogies that eventually become a prequel with sequel elements mixed in with trilogy aspects.

BS ! You missed a prequel there.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Have you seen it yet Devil? I can't imagine how it can get back to the original Alien movie after the ending they used. Also the writer has stated that it will tangent off completely in the sequel, which seems pretty clear by from the second last scene in the movie.

But who knows, the actual plot makes little or no sense anyway!

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

Did Charlize do the nude push-ups?

No, and the shot of her arse wasn't very flattering either. How you can make her backside look bad I will never know...

 

[The Josh]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Going to see this at midnight Thursday. I'm not really a fan of the alien franchise so I'm going to see this more to have an opinion of most of the big films of 2012. Interesting reading what appears to me to be mixed opinions of this movie.

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Haven't seen it yet, doesn't come out here in the states until the 8th. But I did read the plot outline that's available now.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

It ends with Noomi taking a Jockey ship to the homeworld, right?

 

[Devil_666]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

It ends with Noomi taking a Jockey ship to the homeworld, right?

That's the second to last scene Rorywan is talking about. The actual end is..

Spoiler:

The (proto)Alien coming out of the Engineer.

 

[Peteskywalker]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

It ends with Noomi taking a Jockey ship to the homeworld, right?

thats right

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

Yes, I actually liked the proto alien, it had a demonic look to it.
But there was no reason for it to happen, like there was no reason for the giant squid/facehugger. And how the captain suddenly came up with the idea that this was a military outpost and not their home planet? He never even left the ship! The exploding head? Why? What were they doing to it, everyone laughed when it popped.

The movie was full of people doing and saying things which made zero sense, not obscure in a cool way, just daft really. The alien "flute" the "Toys R us" squishy control buttons! I forgive them all, but Guy Pearce in dodgy old man make-up on a zimmer frame was just laughable.
Why? It completely ruined the believability of the scenes.

There was two hours of driving back and forth to the temple, yet no one really discovered anything. Any information was spoon fed to us from characters who were not directly involved in the action. Bizarre.

But as I said, visually it was at a level rarely seen in sci-fi. And it was very interesting.
So well worth seeing, but a very odd movie

And why oh why they didn't use Giger's amazing ship/environmnetal designs I don't get, I mean they kept the shape the same but the detailing just wasn't creepy biomechanoid like in Alien. The bones were cool Ridley, the bones were cool.