Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

I know this is out in the UK, so come on you Brits, make with the massive Spoilers. I love 'em.

 

[eighthsamurai]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

ok here's the biggest one... the chief space jockey is actually lawrence fishuburne dressed as a xeno, who lures the crew of prometheus to his lair and tries to burn them alive so he can mostly steal all their gear. mostly.

no wait....

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I'm starting to get mixed anticipation for this reading all the spoilers. Sounds like it's up to me to figure out for myself if it actually could be a prequel, or just some psuedo-related thing that disappointingly has nothing to do with A L I E N.

 

[Deckard]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I'm starting to get mixed anticipation for this reading all the spoilers. Sounds like it's up to me to figure out for myself if it actually could be a prequel, or just some psuedo-related thing that disappointingly has nothing to do with A L I E N.

I personally like the believe based on some small similarities that Blade Runner and Alien exist in the same universe, if I can make enough of a connection to feel that way about Prometheus I'll be happy. I'm not expecting a new religious like revelation from the plot, but it sounds interesting enough.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

That movie sounds like ____.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

From the reviews I read, it sounds like the script sucks, but the visuals are great and there's enough horror vibe to make it worth experiencing. Unfortunately, I'm old enough to have SEEN pretty much all of it, so I was really hoping the visual meat had some real bones holding it up.

Expectations are dropping.

 

[Walker]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

From the reviews I read, it sounds like the script sucks, but the visuals are great and there's enough horror vibe to make it worth experiencing. Unfortunately, I'm old enough to have SEEN pretty much all of it, so I was really hoping the visual meat had some real bones holding it up.

Expectations are dropping.

 

[DinoLast]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I thought I heard somewhere that this was a prequel to the prequel ? A 2-movie set before A L I E N

You did from Ridley Scott himself. This is a very good interview, and clears up a lot of things.
https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/kermode/kermode_20120601-1008a.mp3
Interview starts 35 mins in

 

[DinoLast]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I disagree. But it's mostly semantics and how people define a "prequel" when it comes to movies.

Spoiler:

Prometheus IS a prequel. Does the ending of that film line up with the beginning of Alien? No. But neither does the ending/beginning of Hannibal Rising/Red Dragon or Star Wars Episode III/IV or most prequels that precede an existing film. There's usually a significant gap in-between the films.

This is up for debate IMO.

Spoiler:

The assumption by Dallas (and it's an early one before they realize that the Alien creature has acid for blood) is that the ship they encounter and the pilot inside (space jockey/engineer) has been "fossilized" so it must've been there for a long time. But with the release of Prometheus, that assumption has actually been proven wrong. Because we now know that was just a suit the space jockey wears. So the area Dallas looks at and assumes is fossilized bone is actually acid-burned suit (I think it's obvious now the chest burster was damaged and bled ripping out of not only the space jockey's chest but also its suit).

Not only that, the reason Dallas and crew are awakened en-route back to Earth is because their ship intercepts a distress call from the Derelict on LV-426. Well if Prometheus takes place on LV-223 (a moon of LV-426) and there's a living space jockey in stasis there, wouldn't he have also been alerted to that S.O.S. call if that ship had been on LV-426 for "millions of years"!?

I think the ship/space jockey/cargo that crashes on LV-426 happens AFTER Prometheus. And I don't think it's been there as long as people originally assumed.

I did state at the beginning of my post that it was my take on it, I never said it was not up for debate. In fact I like how this movie does make people disagree, and have different ideas, it makes it much more interesting to me.

Also LV-426 is a moon itself orbiting Calpamos. LV-223 does not appear to orbit the same planet from all the searching I have done for info.

 

[fosing]

Re: Prometheus SUPER Spoilers!

will we ever see noomi's boobies here? i got a bet going.

 

[youbastards]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

Ok, so if the "protoxeno" bursts from the engineer as a 'young adult', and not as a 'chestburster', this creature has to have a completely different life-cycle from the classic ALIEN, right? I wonder if the "protoxeno" is Scott's version of a queen, or at least something that serves as a genetic start to the ALIEN race. Where do the eggs come from, are they created by this creature (making it a queen) or do the Engineers still have a role to play?

I think it is entirely possible that Scott wants this creature to be what lays the eggs that eventually end up on the derelict ship at the beginning of ALIEN. How the eggs get there is any one's guess (I personally like the idea someone mentioned of Weyland-Yutani manipulating the planetary code to hide what happened, and this planetoid is actually the same one from ALIEN/ALIENS). So if this "protoxeno" is the genetic origin of the creature, then the creature we know and love ONLY exists once human DNA is introduced to the facehugger, meaning the xeno in ALIEN was the first of it's kind. I know that has long been a part of the mythos (since ALIEN 3 and even the Dark Horse comics), but it is cool to see Scott touch on this.

I wonder if the purpose of the "squid" that comes from Shaw is to serve as the method in which her DNA, specifically the ability to create eggs, is introduced into the life cycle of the original ALIEN. Once the creature hugs the Engineer, the resulting "protoxeno" may contain a combination of mammalian reproduction with whatever the Engineer race uses for reproduction. I know we are told that humans evolved from an Engineer's genetic material, but we have to assume that at some point our evolution changed us enough from the Engineer's base genetic code.

I love the amount of 'grey area' that this movie leaves the viewer with after the credits, something you don't get very often anymore. I'm just hoping that the rest of the story gets told at some point.

 

[DinoLast]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Spoiler:

Ok, so if the "protoxeno" bursts from the engineer as a 'young adult', and not as a 'chestburster', this creature has to have a completely different life-cycle from the classic ALIEN, right? I wonder if the "protoxeno" is Scott's version of a queen, or at least something that serves as a genetic start to the ALIEN race. Where do the eggs come from, are they created by this creature (making it a queen) or do the Engineers still have a role to play?

I think it is entirely possible that Scott wants this creature to be what lays the eggs that eventually end up on the derelict ship at the beginning of ALIEN. How the eggs get there is any one's guess (I personally like the idea someone mentioned of Weyland-Yutani manipulating the planetary code to hide what happened, and this planetoid is actually the same one from ALIEN/ALIENS). So if this "protoxeno" is the genetic origin of the creature, then the creature we know and love ONLY exists once human DNA is introduced to the facehugger, meaning the xeno in ALIEN was the first of it's kind. I know that has long been a part of the mythos (since ALIEN 3 and even the Dark Horse comics), but it is cool to see Scott touch on this.

I wonder if the purpose of the "squid" that comes from Shaw is to serve as the method in which her DNA, specifically the ability to create eggs, is introduced into the life cycle of the original ALIEN. Once the creature hugs the Engineer, the resulting "protoxeno" may contain a combination of mammalian reproduction with whatever the Engineer race uses for reproduction. I know we are told that humans evolved from an Engineer's genetic material, but we have to assume that at some point our evolution changed us enough from the Engineer's base genetic code.

I love the amount of 'grey area' that this movie leaves the viewer with after the credits, something you don't get very often anymore. I'm just hoping that the rest of the story gets told at some point.

Spoiler:

I think the Alien has been created before as there is a mural of one on the Engineer's spaceship

 

[Gates70]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

You did from Ridley Scott himself. This is a very good interview, and clears up a lot of things.
https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/kermode/kermode_20120601-1008a.mp3
Interview starts 35 mins in

Thanks for that Dino!

 

[Bullseye]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

This movie has really upset alot of people who must have been expecting Xenos. It is going to be one of those that split opinion.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Just got home from seeing this and I can safely say that I really enjoyed the film.

The film looks great and The Fass as David was the highlight of the cast. Idris Elba was great too IMO along with Rapace.

Also, atlast, a film that verbally and visually tells us character names. This may seem like a small issue but it really bugs me in recent films when we aren't intoduced to characters properly anymore.

Indeed there as some big questions as to why things are in/ happened in the film but I guess that will just stimulate lots of fan debate and theories over the coming years; which is a good thing. You can see the influence that Lindelof had as a a co-screenwriter on this with all the unanswered questions (I miss Lost).

Things that I really liked are:

Spoiler:

-A mutated Fifield attacking and killing the crew members in the hangar bay.

-Call me sick minded but Shaw performing the caesarean in the surgical chamber was brutal and harrowing.

-The birth of the Protoxeno was brilliant. It looked so demonic and it was great seeing such an impressive looking design on the big screen.

-Seeing David implement his orders with no remorse throughout the film. The whole character of David was great.

-Any scene with Prometheus in. The ship travelling in space and landing on the planet was epic!

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

You spelled "members" "mambers" in your spoiler, Goose.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

You spelled "members" "mambers" in your spoiler, Goose.

Fixed.

Still thinking about this film now. Lots to digest. Forgettable this film is not.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Early reviews of this film have caused me to lower my expectations a bit. Seems like it's still a decent flick though. But I may have been disappointed if I kept the same level of expectations that I had earlier since the last set of trailers came out. I been trying to follow you guys discussing what this film actually means to the other "Alien" films, and engineers, xenos, facehuggers, space jockeys, and I must say I just keep getting lost. Hopefully the movi e is more friendly to the casual sci-fi film because I certainly don't remember the names of moons and ships and planets so I'm worried I'll miss the complete picture.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Early reviews of this film have caused me to lower my expectations a bit. Seems like it's still a decent flick though. But I may have been disappointed if I kept the same level of expectations that I had earlier since the last set of trailers came out. I been trying to follow you guys discussing what this film actually means to the other "Alien" films, and engineers, xenos, facehuggers, space jockeys, and I must say I just keep getting lost. Hopefully the movi e is more friendly to the casual sci-fi film because I certainly don't remember the names of moons and ships and planets so I'm worried I'll miss the complete picture.

The film could be a standalone sci-fi film and in all fairness it probably is to the average movie-goer.

 

[DinoLast]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Wow this speech has a whole new meaning after seeing the film.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8[/ame]