Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Matt S]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

So, kinda afraid to be in this thread for fear of spoilage, but what's been the fan reaction? 50/50? 80/20 positive? 20/80 positive?

Thanks!

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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How does Peter Weyland stay alive so long? TED video in 2023 and he had to have been 35-40 (atleast) there...and Prometheus takes place in 2093, correct?

 

[DinoLast]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Haven't seen it either so this question is for anyone who's seen it:

Spoiler:

Is the hole that the "protoxeno" makes in the Engineer's chest the same size as the hole in the Space Jockey's chest from the 79 flick!? Because remember an Alien popped out of there too (Engineer/non-Earth creature). Also, that whole host-size thing has never made much sense because the Aliens that come from humans are the same size as the one from Alien 3 that came out of a Dog/Ox (SE version). So I don't think host-size matters to their overall size as adults. I think the only important thing about hosts is, what traits they inherent.

Humans = 2 legs
Animals = 4 legs (The Alien from the 3rd movie runs around like a doggie e.g.)
Predator = Some Pred traits

etc.

Spoiler:

The thing is the face hugger in Prometheus is huge, it's nothing like the one in Alien, also the hugger was created through sexual intercourse between two humans, and then created what looked like a Xenomorph through the Space Jockey, but this new Xeno had different traits to the ones we have seen before. There is the Xenomorph on the Mural, so my guess is the Engineers have engineered the eggs found on LV-426, and the pilot of that ship was impregnated by the Facehugger we more commonly know? Maybe that cargo was intended for Earth?

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

So, kinda afraid to be in this thread for fear of spoilage, but what's been the fan reaction? 50/50? 80/20 positive? 20/80 positive?

Thanks!

Go and see the film with an open mind and don't pay attention to anyone elses view but your own.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

So, it sounds like the ship/jockey/engineer Prometheus encounter in this movie may actually be more advanced than the derelict jockey and eggs found on LV 426, kinda like Engineers had done more work on their "creations" since whatever failure took place on the derelict ship, so the Nostromo crew is actually discovering the remnants of a prequel story to the back story of Prometheus.

Okay, I'm dizzy now.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

So, it sounds like the ship/jockey/engineer Prometheus encounter in this movie may actually be more advanced than the derelict jockey and eggs found on LV 426, kinda like Engineers had done more work on their "creations" since whatever failure took place on the derelict ship, so the Nostromo crew is actually discovering the remnants of a prequel story to the back story of Prometheus.

Okay, I'm dizzy now.

Spoiler:

If the Engineer we saw in Prometheus was the last surviving one than the SJ that was carrying the eggs and crashed on LV-426 must have left before the events of Prometheus.

However I think Ridley wants us to believe that there is atleast another event that happened before the events of Alien regarding the egg carrying ship. The question is whether there are more surviving Engineers on LV-223 and whether they encounter the Protoxeno that leads to the eggs...

 

[greygoose]

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What the hell is a "flute".

I want to know all the things that can be interpreted as "links" to the A L I E N story.

The last minute is all you need to see. The Protoxeno was class!

How does Peter Weyland stay alive so long? TED video in 2023 and he had to have been 35-40 (atleast) there...and Prometheus takes place in 2093, correct?

He's old in Prometheus (on deaths door although I'm guessing life expectancy has improved by 2093 due to science) and has been in hypersleep for _ years...

 

[RagingBull]

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Go and see the film with an open mind and don't pay attention to anyone elses view but your own.

I always knew this was going to get mixed reviews because of its connection to Alien/Aliens. I think a lot of people will go see this movie with a good idea of what to expect & it may turn out completely different which might lead to dissapointment at 1st. This is one of them films which will probably take time before you really know how good or not it is because your not watching it for what it is, if that make sense.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

I always knew this was going to get mixed feeling because of its connection to Alien/Aliens.

Indeed. There's fanboys on other forums going berserk over some aspects of the film. People need to relax and enjoy it for being a sci-fi film that's one of the best we've had over the past decade.

 

[fosing]

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No boobies of any kind I'm afraid mate, not even xenoboobies....

i just lost 10 doolars.

 

[Matt S]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Go and see the film with an open mind and don't pay attention to anyone elses view but your own.

Lol, fair enough....man, I am usually the one telling that to other people; this one has me giddy as a kid - literally

Ok, this is a first for me - preorder email sent to me from Amazon on this movie and it aint even out yet (in U.S.)

 

[SilentSurfer]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Indeed. There's fanboys on other forums going berserk over some aspects of the film. People need to relax and enjoy it for being a sci-fi film that's one of the best we've had over the past decade.

That's my plan.

 

[Rorywan]

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Want to know how the Engineer activates his ship systems? He picks up a little flute from the desk and plays a little tune. I'm serious. That is in the movie. And the buttons on the control sections are small very cheap looking white squishy balls.

I love: the look of the movie, Charlize, Fassbender, the Hammerpeed, the protoalien, the C-section.

I hate: Guy Pearce in geriatric make-up, the flute, the enormous gaps in logic, the amount of verbal exposition from characters who have no way to know the ____ they are saying, the ending.

But my biggest problem by far is when people seem determined to dismiss the script issues with "that's because it's not linked to Alien". It's very obvious to anyone who is into this stuff that this is not a prequel to Alien. But wait...

1. Gigeresque designs, interiors and the actual spacecraft from Alien.. Check.
2. Sinister white blooded android who has secret plans... Check.
3. Pale snake-tailed creature that jumps and attaches itself to helmeted crew member in a dark room full of strange objects.. Check.
4. Organic Acid melting helmets and such.. Check.
5. Main protagonist is a shockingly strong woman with shoulder length brown hair and a jumpsuit... Check.
6. Gory, alien birthing from stomach sequence... Check.
7. Pale yellow face hugger creature... Check.
8. Black _____ headed alien xeno... Check.
9. "this is the final log entry from..." speech at end... Check.
10. Flamethrowers... Check.

I could go on, yup this movie has nothing to do with Alien, yet it copies its best scenes with absolutely no context.

Lazy lazy writing. These are not intellectual questions left for the viewer to ponder? These are just narrative jumps and motivations which make no sense. He did this in Lost to be dramatic, then always tried to explain himself out of the BS afterwards. Difference is here, it's a movie, he doesn't have that luxury. And whilst I stil love it for its visual sophistication, the only story is that there isn't one. If the script had been just a little better they might have pulled it off. But they don't even ask interesting questions. The only scene which gets close to this is between David and Holoway, when they talk about their makers, you have seen that already, and that's pretty much it. Then David puts a drop of bio goo into Holoways glass for NO reason. And he mutates.

And there are no boobies...

 

[greygoose]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

Lol, fair enough....man, I am usually the one telling that to other people; this one has me giddy as a kid - literally

That's my plan.

Nice one guys.

 

[greygoose]

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Then David puts a drop of bio goo into Holoways glass for NO reason. And he mutates.

David knew full well what he was doing. He had seen how the ampoules had reacted to foreign contamination so I was under the impression he was under orders to test it out on a human.

 

[Rorywan]

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David knew full well what he was doing. He had seen how the ampoules had reacted to foreign contamination so I was under the impression he was under orders to test it out on a human.

Oh, I know he knew what he was doing, but there were no hints to why?
There was nothing to gain for Weyland to do so. Nothing.
The only tonally correct answer was he just wanted to see what happens, but this doesn't fit in with him being an android.


And how did the captain suddenly announce to the audience that this isn't the Engineers home world, that it is a military base?!
The captain never even left the ship, and the characters which did never found any information to draw those conclusions from?
(a terrible OTT performance from Idris IMO).

How did two experienced scientists with 3D mapping technology and full ship communication get lost on the way back to the ship,
only to contact the ship ages after the rest of the crew had already returned?

Why did they stick probes into a long dead engineer head and blow it up?

Why was Guy Pearse a man in his 40's playing a 100 year old geriatric (badly)?

How did David's head know that the last engineer was coming for Shaw?



I have no problem with the more open "mystery" elements not being addressed directly..
"what were the engineers doing?"
"where did they go?""Why did they want to destroy earth?"
Those are subjective and discussable. The plot holes and narrative jumps are not.


Hmm.. all these questions and more..won't be answered in prometheus..
The narrative flow in the trailers makes more sense than anything in the movie.

But I agree it's still the best sci-fi movie in a decade.

 

[fosing]

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man, it feels like this needs a PROMETHEUS RISES touch.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

My brothers hated it. I normally trust their judgment. From what they said goes on in the film, it all sounds a bit silly and overly reliant on happenstance.

Spoiler:

and it doesn't even deal with the Space Jockey and ship from LV426? Yet pretty much the exact same thing happens to an identical ship even down to the way it lands when it crashes? What? That seems massively overly coincidental doesn't it? I dunno I haven't seen it but damn....

 

[eighthsamurai]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

My brothers hated it. I normally trust their judgment. From what they said goes on in the film, it all sounds a bit silly and overly reliant on happenstance.

Spoiler:

and it doesn't even deal with the Space Jockey and ship from LV426? Yet pretty much the exact same thing happens to an identical ship even down to the way it lands when it crashes? What? That seems massively overly coincidental doesn't it? I dunno I haven't seen it but damn....

Spoiler:

that threw me too. i forgot the planetary number, and by the end was convinced it had to be the same ship on the same planet. but it wasn't and i guess that explains why the nostromo crew don't find remnants of prometheus or its crew. if ridley scott really wanted this to be divorced from alien, and he seemed so desperate to emphasize that point, why make it so similar? it's almost like he wanted to play it both ways.

 

[Matt S]

Re: Official Alien Prequel/Prometheus Discussion Thread

That's my plan.

Having just rewatched Alien 1 -4 on that badass blu ray, I am ready for something different, frankly. In a weird way, those movies set my proper mood for this one - I don't want same ol' same ol'

Just placed my IMAX tix for fri, here.....pumped!

Just hope that unlike Snow White and the Huntsman, Charlize Theron doesn't scream at the camera constantly!