1/6 Hot Toys - MMS264 - X-Men: DOFP: Wolverine Collectible Figure

[YankeesFanboy]

 

[karamazov80]

I agree with the sentiment that other X-characters just aren't perceived to be a "win" for HT. They make a cost-benefit decision based on the data they have access to. Like Invictus says, if it was perceived to be a surefire success, and if it wasn't cost prohibitive, they would have gone for it already. Best case scenario is they will do it if the stars align, but aren't tripping over their feet in excitement to get this out the door. As for certainties that these would sell, I'm also not sure what that's based on. There are a couple dozen people here maybe, at most, who have posted a strong interest in FassMags or whatever. But HT has to be concerned with selling multiple thousands of figures, and who knows the chances of that with a character who frankly isn't the marquee X-character, from a franchise that often lacks the visual punch of Marvel Studios, and doesn't have as avid a collector base, again based on available data. At best this would be a big risk by HT, and if I were in their shoes I would just put some die cast on the Mark I, II, IV, V, and VI, and re-release those bad-boys till the cows came home before investing in likeness rights, development, production, marketing, and distribution of a figure that could end up on the "30% off + 10% off + extra rewards + free shipping" list on SSC come next Spooktacular.

 

[ronri]

As for saying magneto or Charles will sell is just not supported by previous releases of these characters. Both hot toys wolverine and other collectible figures/statues in the history of the characters. I would love to be proven wrong..

So basically from a hypothetical business standpoint, Magneto wouldn't logically sell because it's just not supported by previous releases of the characters. I just don't agree with this approach as the precedent you have offered and used to gauge said "interest" doesn't even account for the biggest factor behind this: we don't just want another "Magneto", we want a Magneto as depicted by Fassbender. In this regard, really there isn't any evidence to suggest if the character would sell or not, at this point I'd rather see HT actually take a risk to see if there's any genuine interest.

What else would you use to gauge interest? It's not unfair it's economics. Magneto is not more popular now then he was in the 90s.

So basically he wouldn't sell because, as you're arguing, logically speaking that's the best and most economical way to gauge interest. So then....

And to be clear-I've never said I think fasseneto would not sell. Nor have I said I wouldn't buy it. Or support it. My personnel opinions and collecting are not what have argued. I've put forward the business side based on what I know. How I know it is secondary. It's not what I want, or don't want, or think will or won't happen. It's HOW things happen.

Okay now you lost me there. You said that claims of Magneto selling is not a supported notion on the basis of HT gauging interest from existing releases of the same character that is "Magneto" (NOT "Fassneto") but now you've gone back and argued that the only reason they think this is because of the risk and hassle it'd take to go through with it NOT because Fassneto wouldn't actually sell as a popular character.

Seriously, I think you need to be more clear on where you stand in all of this. But since I can read between the lines, I think I know where you're going with this so I feel I should bring this up....

As for there being no other Fasseneto stuff out there to compare...that is a direct correlation to the complexity and added financial outlay involved in the xfilms licenses.

Well there we go. I feel I should say that a lot of people know about this to SOME degree. It's been discussed to death already that the entire X-Men movie merchandising biz is one huge cluster-F. Yet that's all the more reason why people are still vocal about this.

Our complaints of HT not making Fassneto isn't because of some mob mentality of "I don't trust HT", rather we want our voices heard. We know it's a hassle, we know it's a risk, but it's all the more reason for us to make some noise over it. Unless you're telling me with absolute certainty that it's completely 100% unlikely for HT to attempt Fassneto, then I don't see any reason why people should stop advocating for it or talk about it.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

What are you basing that opinion on? The xmen statues being the great seller part?

Them making plenty and them selling out and going up in price on the after-market.

And also, your right about supply and demand. That's what drives the market. But it doesn't mean just because a few hundred people on a couple forums say they would love the figure doesn't mean that's reflective of the whole, nor does it mean once that figure is made all those people will buy. It also does not mean you can get the rights and approvals to make it.

You have to spend money to make money. If they never invested in the first Iron Man movie they wouldn't have made all the cash from the endless variants.

If they don't make any X-Men then they don't make money they could from the various characters. It's up to them if they want to take that calculated risk for the potential pay-off

As for Magneto not being as popular as he was in the 90s. That may be true but he was highly popular then and is popular now so it's not like he isn't popular

Robocop isn't as popular now as he was in the 80s and 90s. But that doesn't mean it won't sell as well

 

[Invictus Sol]

Wow, you guys are really deluded. You have no data at all to support your certainty that these figures would sell. I wonder how many years this has to continue before some of you accept the truth and move on.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

What truth?

You have no data to suggest they wouldn't sell.

And whose saying they're guaranteed to sell? All I'm saying is they can't judge unless they try one who isn't wolverine. AND start with a highly wanted one rather than a Stryker or something.

Only then can they just interest and sales in the franchise so as to decide to continue or leave it at that.

 

[ronri]

Wow, you guys are really deluded. You have no data at all to support your certainty that these figures would sell. I wonder how many years this has to continue before some of you accept the truth and move on.

Thanks for lumping us all together as a bunch of "deluded" guys. If you actually bothered to read my post, my newest response wasn't even about how guaranteed it is that the figures would sell.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Let's look at some facts:

• People were/are asking for figures.
• The franchise is a big franchise
• The latest instalment was the highest grossing for a CBM for the bulk of this year until it was edged out by GOTG
• The franchise is highly rated overall
• The latest movie is the highest rated CBM this year
• The franchise has 14 years worth of fans.

^ That should tell them to take a risk and make an X-Man other than Wolverine to see if it's a franchise they can make money on, if it's not it's not but it's worth the risk with those parameters.

 

[karamazov80]

You know one of the highest grossing movies of all-time?

Box office success =/= jack when it comes to Hot Toys sales.

 

[Invictus Sol]

You have no data to suggest they wouldn't sell.

My data is that they haven't been made. For a reason.

 

[pturtle]

The few us that do think he would sell very well are not just basing that on SSF member's wish lists, all over Facebook, Twitter, and various other social media sites people have been begging for a Fassneto figure to get made, I think his version of Magneto is just as popular if not more than anyone from the MCU not named Iron Man.

The fact that Howard described the process of acquiring likeness rights for FoX-Men to be tedious and expensive, I'm assuming they see the potential in this franchise since they're still working to get more characters made.

I'm still confident we'll get a Fassneto figure, but it is baffling that people don't think there is a demand for that figure.

 

[karamazov80]

Well I think you guys should charter a flight to Hong Kong to explain to Howard's face how foolish he is to ignore the smattering of people who claim they would buy a figure on Facebook. If he can't listen to that kind of reason, then he doesn't deserve his private planes and whatnot IMO.

 

[Invictus Sol]

The few us that do think he would sell very well are not just basing that on SSF member's wish lists, all over Facebook, Twitter, and various other social media sites people have been begging for a Fassneto figure to get made, I think his version of Magneto is just as popular if not more than anyone from the MCU not named Iron Man.

The fact that Howard described the process of acquiring likeness rights for FoX-Men to be tedious and expensive, I'm assuming they see the potential in this franchise since they're still working to get more characters done.

I'm still confident we'll get a Fassneto figure, but it is baffling that people don't think there is a demand for that figure.

I'm sure it would sell OK. But would it sell enough that it's worth all the additional hassle that is not a concern with any number of other licenses? IMO, no.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

My data is that they haven't been made. For a reason.

They haven't made a Kyle Reese from T1 or a nurse Joker, by you're reasoning it's because they wouldn't sell.

Since there is a lot of demand for them but no supply it's faulty reasoning to suggest that because they haven't been made it's because they wouldn't sell

 

[karamazov80]

Kyle Reese wouldn't sell, and I'm one of the biggest T1 fans on the forum! And supposedly they wanted to do Nurse Joker but couldn't obtain the rights.

 

[pturtle]

Well I think you guys should charter a flight to Hong Kong to explain to Howard's face how foolish he is to ignore the smattering of people who claim they would buy a figure on Facebook. If he can't listen to that kind of reason, then he doesn't deserve his private planes and whatnot IMO.

I'm not one of the people that think it isn't getting made, I think it's probably in development right now, like said, if it's so tedious and expensive, why would they even try and continue to get these figures made?

 

[Invictus Sol]

They haven't made a Kyle Reese from T1 or a nurse Joker, by you're reasoning it's because they wouldn't sell.

Since there is a lot of demand for them but no supply it's faulty reasoning to suggest that because they haven't been made it's because they wouldn't sell

So what's your reasoning for why we haven't seen a single character other than Wolverine from 5 X-Men movies? HT don't like making money? Spitefulness? HT are just meanies? Do you guys have any explanation at all?

 

[pturtle]

I think it has to do with timing, there wasn't much of a demand from anything FoX-Men other than Wolverine since the franchise was pretty much being considered dead and overshadowed by the MCU and Dark Knight films after X3 and Origins almost ruined the entire franchise.

However, we do know they intended to release a FC Professor X.

 

[Leinjl01]

Well I think you guys should charter a flight to Hong Kong to explain to Howard's face how foolish he is to ignore the smattering of people who claim they would buy a figure on Facebook. If he can't listen to that kind of reason, then he doesn't deserve his private planes and whatnot IMO.

This post made my day. The thought of this is absolutely hilarious and made me laugh like a schoolgirl. Thank you for this

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I think it has to do with timing, there wasn't much of a demand from anything FoX-Men other than Wolverine since the franchise was pretty much being considered dead and overshadowed by the MCU and Dark Knight films after X3 and Origins almost ruined the entire franchise.

However, we do know they intended to release a FC Professor X.

And unlike the MCU or Nolan Bats the X-Men franchise pre-dated Hot Toys doing superhero figures.

They started with Origins which was the second nail in the coffin for the franchise. First Class dug up the body and X-Men Days of Future Past re-animated it.

The franchise is back on top form

So what's your reasoning for why we haven't seen a single character other than Wolverine from 5 X-Men movies? HT don't like making money? Spitefulness? HT are just meanies? Do you guys have any explanation at all?

None of them, it's the clear and describe reason. They need to get licensing for each character from the actor and from fox and from Marvel, one holdout is all it takes. Couple that with the franchise coming off two bad films and Wolverine being the main draw they had no reason to delve into the process of obtaining licenses for others until First class.

Xavier shows that it's tricky to get all three to sign off, obviously one held out on signing off on that and 2/3 wasn't enough to release it.