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So do any of my fellow freaks think Phoenix can follow in Ledger?s footsteps as a possible Oscar nomination ( even though Ledger actually won in death) next year with this performance :dunno
 
Absolutely.

I might not like the movie as a Joker story but his performance was outstanding so why not.

He certainly had more screen time than Ledger.


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Wor-Gar said:
I liked this iteration of the Joker. I really liked his backstory. I really liked Phoenix's performance. I loved his laughter, especially when it became painful.

The movie didn't surprise me at all though. In fact, it was exactly as I was expecting. The only scene that caught me off-guard was the imagined Beetz relationship.

I'm not certain how much I will revisit this movie. It was exhausting.

I really hated the new Joker look, but I have come around to it after experiencing the film.


All in all, the best thing to come out of DC in a long, long time... probably since Ledger's Joker (which I still prefer).
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That's what I thought also.. Not surprised at all.. Got exactly what I thought was advertised... Which was not a bad thing but it was also part of the reason I was not blown away..

Khev said:
Well I think that this has been the best year for comic book movies, ever.
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Not for me... Nothing comes close to 2008 :)

TDK > EG
Iron Man > Joker
TIH > Captain Marvel
 
Khev said:
Thinking about his "unearned" followers for a minute, you know I don't know that I'd really consider any of the clown rioters to actually *be* his followers prior to the talk show. I don't think that any of them really cared who committed the train murders, it just became a bit of a symbolic meme that they identified with causing the movement to rise on its own.

If Arthur stopped any of them on the street and said he started it they'd probably say "yeah right" or at best "yeah whatever." I doubt anyone with Antifa knows who the first person was to put on a mask and start breaking things, they simply like the idea and ran with it. It wasn't until *after* Arthur blew Deniro away on live television that they finally started going, "damn, that's on a whole other level, okay yeah he's our MAN" and rallied to rescue him (or deliberately emulate him in Joe Chill's case.) So I would say that it ended up being earned in the end.
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I don't think he ever had "followers". I don't think he even got rescued out of that cop car either. The movie makes a point that whenever people are good/positive towards him, it was all in his mind. Murray expressing admiration to him on stage, Sophie falling in love with him, people laughing during his stand-up routine... They were all in his head.
 
JAWS said:
Not for me... Nothing comes close to 2008 :)

TDK > EG
Iron Man > Joker
TIH > Captain Marvel
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CM doesn't rate for me and I'll just keep the comparisons within the same studio:

EG > IM
Joker > TDK
SMFFH > TIH

2008 was great but 2014 was my favorite cbm year prior to this one.

TWS and DOFP are just two absolute powerhouses for me. Plus the original GotG and even ASM2 had some great (visual) moments.

e30ernest said:
I don't think he ever had "followers". I don't think he even got rescued out of that cop car either. The movie makes a point that whenever people are good/positive towards him, it was all in his mind. Murray expressing admiration to him on stage, Sophie falling in love with him, people laughing during his stand-up routine... They were all in his head.
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His fantasies were shown to be of the "happily ever after" variety. You know Murray embracing him as a son or his neighbor falling in love with him. There's no indication that *every* act of kindness was imagined. His mom was real, the midget was real, the guy who gave him the gun was initially sympathetic toward his plight, and even his neighbor was really nice to him in the elevator that first time. He just didn't know what to do about it and never pursued anything. Even Murray was nice and gracious to him once he was invited onto the show (before he started telling morbid jokes and confessing to murders on air.)

So I see no reason not to believe that the rioters did indeed pull him out of the car and cheered for him. Joe Chill was obviously real and even quoted Arthur directly which couldn't have been an imagined moment so I'd definitely say that we can take all that stuff at the end at face value.
 
In other news Trump just had a rally here tonight and as expected there were protesters outside including this white male incel...black woman? So much for that narrative, lol.

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You are right, I lumped the good moments with the happily ever stuff.

Khev said:
So I see no reason not to believe that the rioters did indeed pull him out of the car and cheered for him. Joe Chill was obviously real and even quoted Arthur directly which couldn't have been an imagined moment so I'd definitely say that we can take all that stuff at the end at face value.
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I think that counts as a "happily ever after" moment though?

Also begs to question, if the rioters rescued him and cheered for him, why didn't he take that chance to escape the police? He's shown in the past that he does not want to get caught. That main point makes me think the entire film was just him narrating his fantasies while inside the asylum.
 
e30ernest said:
You are right, I lumped the good moments with the happily ever stuff.



I think that counts as a "happily ever after" moment though?

Also begs to question, if the rioters rescued him and cheered for him, why didn't he take that chance to escape the police? He's shown in the past that he does not want to get caught. That main point makes me think the entire film was just him narrating his fantasies while inside the asylum.
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Joker on meds with those huge shoes ran almost as fast as those kids in the beginning when they took his sign yet he still got caught by the cops lol

Unless unless wait for it......he meant to get caught!




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e30ernest said:
Also begs to question, if the rioters rescued him and cheered for him, why didn't he take that chance to escape the police? He's shown in the past that he does not want to get caught.
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Well, you're taking his actions literally without consideration of emotions. He's lonely. He wants to be 'seen'. He's finally in front of a crowd -- the crowd he's dreamed of. You think he'd leave even an ounce of that feeling behind?
 
e30ernest said:
You are right, I lumped the good moments with the happily ever stuff.



I think that counts as a "happily ever after" moment though?

Also begs to question, if the rioters rescued him and cheered for him, why didn't he take that chance to escape the police? He's shown in the past that he does not want to get caught. That main point makes me think the entire film was just him narrating his fantasies while inside the asylum.
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I'm not saying that you can't interpret the ending as being a fantasy but I just don't think that that's what the film is saying. It really diminishes his arc, it pretty much eradicates it in fact if his dreams never manifest in reality and he's just a static criminal with an active imagination.
 

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