DETOLF sized dioramas vs larger TrueScale 1/6 dioramas. Your thoughts?

[QuiGonFishing]

One thing I will add, Joost. Is that if you do decide to go down the Truescale DX path is that you would likely need to take deposits. I've seen many times on here that triggers the idiots. If you take people's money they, both rightly and wrongly, start making demands. I think one of the reasons you've not had much trouble, apart from obviously being an honest and nice guy, is because you show the items almost completed first and keep the time from paying to receiving down to a minimum. I know you've taken money up front for the Throne Room and Corridor, but I think that higher cost items and any delays may cause you hassle.

Existing customers who have your work and understand your process will also trust you. Noobs may be less tolerant.

Perhaps, like the Throne room, you could show a good idea of what you're about to produce first. Or, produce the Detolf-sized version first, having ironed out production kinks, and then take payments and deposits for Truescale on the understanding that little will change - just dimensions like the service corridor.

Great post, A1.

I think the process you suggest makes quite a bit of sense, and the concerns you raise are also valid.

Since it was Joost's large scale DeathStar Dio that kicked off all of this excitement and established his reputation with all of us, I'm hopeful that Joost is willing to at least consider a test run to see if a limited production of TrueScales could work, or if it reveals the downside you are highlighting above.

For me, the Tantive Entry Way, and a few others on a short list possibilities would be nothing short of Grail pieces. So if there's a descent chance this could work without causing undo hardship for Joost, I'd be all in...

 

[Hoody999]

Sounds like a plan to me. My comment was going to be ;

"do one Truescale DX and see how it goes". That's the best way to see how much interest, work etc it all is.

Agree that it's been a great discussion here. Perhaps this is the type of product that sorts out the men from the boys, and therefore the boy childish comments.

Anyway interested to see the Tantive IV Truescale DX or whatever white hallway you are thinking of

P.S I think that name "TrueScale DX" seems to have stuck pretty well.

 

[Roders]

I suppose I fall somewhere in the middle. I personally don't have any detolfs, I have however ordered all of your detolf kits so far because any diorama of such quality is better than no diorama. Clearly the simplest thing for you is to stick to that size limit which nobody will argue with. At the same time I think full scale dioramas will be too large and unmanageable for most people.

I would kind of suggest something in the middle size wise, and this would be achieved by having different widths but keeping heights the same. I ordered the two versions of death star walls and put them side by side, leaving out the ceiling. It worked great for me, a lot more room for figures but it's still manageable due to the limited height. Some of you may have seen the photo I put up. A similar thing looks to be happening with the service corridor, where those of us without detolfs are able to create a wider version for our shelves.

So in conclusion, a detolf narrow version as always, and a wider dx option. Either by offering a wider floor and rear wall, or the ability to join 2 pieces side by side by design. Keeping the height fixed and having no ceilings would keep materials/costs in check.

 

[Tee-Kay]

Connectable dioramas sound like an excellent idea. You could then either display them in Detolfs or display them elsewhere to allow for a rotation in our cabinets. Very useful when we'll have a dozen dioramas to choose from

 

[Jar-Jar Stinks]

Wow! This sounds AMAZING!

I'd really be interested in looking at a larger scale diorama cause I just don't really use detolfs. I always think they look a little confining, especially for the really epic scenes that I really don't want to have to squash.

One other thing, like a few others have said a lot better than me, the larger dios with the higher price are going to be for a much smaller audience. So since Jazz set up the title of the thread as Detolf VS. Larger scale, it sounds a lot like one OR the other. So if we're just counting numbers, there are going to be a lot more people saying I want the Detolf if its one or the other. But if its Detolfs forever, and a truscale once in a while to appeal to me and hopefully a reasonable but smaller number of others, who could be against that?

Anyway, I'd LOVE to see this!! I hope Jazz can make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JazzInc]

Wow! This sounds AMAZING!

... So since Jazz set up the title of the thread as Detolf VS. Larger scale, it sounds a lot like one OR the other. So if we're just counting numbers, there are going to be a lot more people saying I want the Detolf if its one or the other. But if its Detolfs forever, and a truscale once in a while to appeal to me and hopefully a reasonable but smaller number of others, who could be against that?

Anyway, I'd LOVE to see this!! I hope Jazz can make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks. We are most likely going to try soon. And you are very correct, it is never going to be either or, it will always be Detolf and when TruScale DX adds something there would be an additional release

 

[momaw]

Which Besta sizes are you considering? The 60cm wide by 38cm high or 60cm wide by 64cm high?

 

[Giant Sloar]

There are lots of great ideas and opinions in this thread. I love the three detolf scaled dios I have from you and will continue to support your work at this scale. Of the three dios I only have one displayed in a detolf because I like to rearrange my displays fairly often and also I find when you have a ceiling and floor on a detolf shelf it gets hard to see/appreciate what's on the other shelves. If you are gauging interest for the TrueScale DX dioramas count me in.

 

[evenflow]

Since I am hopeful to buy a few of these. I know Detolf size and lower cost work best for me. It seems like many people use Detolfs, so you may have a larger audience.

 

[weaponslayer]

My custom display case is 60cm wide x 50cm deep, so if you make anything around this size I'll definitely purchase it. The only reason I haven't purchased your other dioramas is that they've been either too big (in the case of the Death Star Hallway) or too small (detolf size). So if you ever make anything around those dimensions please let me know, and keep up the awesome work! You and your father are a godsend for this hobby and our collections.

 

[bbl]

I personally prefer detolf size. The thing is with full size, you're bound to the space you have. I had to skip on your larger dio due to the size and price.

I try to build scenes as much as possible and your dio's are the thing that was missing.

Taking huge NRDs brings a lot of stress and responsibilities. Plus it makes a fun get together with your dad just work. Next to that people will have demands over and over. Most custom builders stop at a point where everyone just complains all the time. A shipment can be late, but with €900+ people are a lot less patient.

You're a great guy Joost and I will be buying your dio's for as long as i can.

Best,

Robert

 

[JazzInc]

Which Besta sizes are you considering? The 60cm wide by 38cm high or 60cm wide by 64cm high?

Definitely higher than 38 cm, so the 60x64x40 cm setup sounds ideal. Right now, I work with that same 38cm and it's too confining for certain scenes.

 

[TaliBane]

Definitely higher than 38 cm, so the 60x64x40 cm setup sounds ideal. Right now, I work with that same 38cm and it's too confining for certain scenes.

I have six Bestas that are the 60x64x40 (on either side of each Besta unit) for 1/6 displays.

The bottom line is, if a collector's moving away from solely standing 1/6 figs and into 1/6 accessories and environments, you really have to start thinking Besta instead of Detolf. You can get so much into them.

 

[momaw]

I have six Bestas that are the 60x64x40 (on either side of each Besta unit) for 1/6 displays.

The bottom line is, if a collector's moving away from solely standing 1/6 figs and into 1/6 accessories and environments, you really have to start thinking Besta instead of Detolf. You can get so much into them.

Absolutely agree. Plus they are good for the 1/4 scale too.

 

[JazzInc]

Absolutely agree. Plus they are good for the 1/4 scale too.

Plus if you have 64 cm of height to work with, in 1/6 scale that translates roughly to 12 ft ceilings (1/1 scale), which is quite a natural ceiling height!!

 

[QuiGonFishing]

Sounds like you're just as excited as we are, Joost!

 

[JazzInc]

Sounds like you're just as excited as we are, Joost!

You got that right! I can't wait to see something like that in the flesh. Also, having found a good size for both stand alone and Besta in one is exciting as it will please a lot of people!

 

[Roders]

For any future dioramas it would be important to know if there is a larger version coming before orders go up for the detolf version (and if possible it's design & price). It would definitely help with planning our budgets and save any disappointment/complaints about missing out on a 'better' version by ordering too early. Looking forward to the future whatever happens.

 

[Enzo]

I may be in the minority but would rather have big dioramas to house a bunch of figures. I don't have detolfs nor do i want them. Again my opinion and I know I'm in the monolith.

 

[Geox]

this is an interesting topic. Joost is a great guy and always quick in communication.
He loves what he does, what you can see at the quality of his products.

I own the large death star hallway and was stunned when i saw it for the first time. What i really like about is the versatility you are able to display your 1/6 figures. You can drop in all the good guys, bad guys, build up a scene about a jailbraik or one where 4 Stormtroopers escort han solo in carbonite. This was my main reason why i jumped on this train with one of joost last production batches.

This is also the main reason why i would not jump on every true scale diorama. A carbonite Chamber would look awesome, but it is what it is, a on scene diorama. Not so many options to display it different.
So if you go for an other true scale diorama, imho. should be this your main question: How many options does the customer have to display it?

The detolov size diorama looks great as well, but for me it does not fit the right dimension to display my figures probable.

Have you ever think about to make some nice looking accessory. Maybe barrels, cargo boxes, etc.. ? I guess their could be a demand of this as well?.


and like always, just my two cents....