Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Prime Clone]

Assuming this new generation of Jedi will be the subject of Johnson's new trilogy, I can't understand why it was set up in VIII instead of IX. This felt more like the third part of the trilogy than the second.

 

[SilverStar17]

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While I hold to the opinion that the carthasis Luke gained in ultimately not taking the opportunity to kill his defenceless father after disarming him and throwing away his own weapon goes against what we see in TLJ making your point that he was on the verge of killing Vader moot anyway, I do think there is quite a big difference if you’re looking at confronting someone while they are conscious instead of assisanating them when they are defenceless in their sleep. That would have been more digestible for me at least, if they must take the character in this direction.

Luke, a sneaky murderous worm assassin? Nope.

No, because just like he stopped himself from murdering his father, he obviously also stopped himself from murdering his nephew as well for whatever reason. So the premise of "he tried to find the good in his father" is actually moot because he was on the verge of killing both his father and nephew but didn't go through with it, regardless of the circumstances. Perhaps he also tried to find the good in his nephew.

Based on what you're saying, you're essentially saying if he's going to kill someone, at least kill them when they're awake/fighting, not asleep.

 

[ZE_501]

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So I watched it this afternoon. Films tend to take time to sink in for me; my first impression is that it was mostly hugely entertaining, with some awkward spots and gaping plot holes. Now if I’m honest that’s exactly like the OT, it’s just that this hasn’t got nostalgia or childhood to save it, and the waters are muddied by contemporary issues bleeding into creative/production decisions.

I will watch it again, and I’ll enjoy it, but I have to take it for what it is, not what I may have wanted it to be.

I’m not sure what else they may have done, given real-world constraints on the product.


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[clockwork463]

Stars wars fans are dead, they dont have to be your audience. Deal with it sweetie

 

[Craig Walker]

having Luke be there, in the moment, using nothing but the force, was stupid

Fixt.

it is beyond my understanding how Mark Hamill was able to ***** on this film in video interviews and live conferences leading up to its release? [emoji848]

Because it sucked?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I bet Snoke is a clone or somehow he comes back in ep 9. He already looked like he was used to getting beat up, with that big butt crack on his forehead.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

THERE IS A scene in Star Wars: The Last Jedi—I won’t say too much, but you'll see it yourself—where a young Asian woman does a brave, selfless thing to help the Resistance. It’s a very sweet, very Star Wars Hero Moment, but it's also an important one. Los Angeles Times film writer Jen Yamato called out its significance for fans of color on Twitter, noting “films like these leave their mark on entire generations—representation matters.” She woke up the next morning to a stream of mentions telling her to “stop making everything about race.” Her reply? “I hope you all enjoy the new Star Wars.” The implication was obvious: They won't. The Last Jedi isn’t here to appease the old guard.

And that goes for both categories of reactionaries—the Star Wars fan upset that the franchise’s heroes now include :clutches pearls: women and people of color, and the misogynist, racist, classist, dark side of the populace that’s always been present, wielding power in one form or another. In themes and plot, The Last Jedi asserts again and again that monolithic dominance isn't good for anyone. The movie isn't here to Make the Galaxy Great Again. It's to tell the stories of the people who want to actually fix it.

there’s Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), the offspring of Han Solo and Leia Organa, who got neither his father’s charm nor his mother’s compassion. If it weren't for his willingness to go outside, he'd be every entitled troll on the internet—and the stench of his toxic masculinity only intensifies in The Last Jedi, with his surrogate dad Supreme Leader Snoke calling him "just a child in a mask" while harassing him for being bested by a girl (aka Rey).

This isn't the first time that this phenomenon has occurred, and it won't be the last. The so-called alt-right took on Rogue One for its female hero and diverse cast. There was, prior to its release, blowback against The Force Awakens for its “black stormtrooper”—the character who turned out to be Finn. (Boyega’s response to the backlash at the time? “Get used to it”—a sentiment that seems all the more prescient now.) Every Star Wars movie from here on out will probably be considered in the context of the period and political climate surrounding its release.


There may always be people who don’t want more broad representation in cinema, who would rather things stayed the same, or even reverted. This isn’t going to happen with Star Wars, so perhaps it’s time that those people take a piece of advice from Kylo himself—and let the past die.


https://www.wired.com/story/star-wars-last-jedi-inclusion/

 

[medicomsucks]

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I’m not sure what else they may have done, given real-world constraints on the product.


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They could start with explaining who snoke is, why luke thought Ben was evil, (he sleeps evil?), and how rey plays in all this. They just punted all of this to books, cartoons, or episode 9. I've got a bad feeling about this indeed.

Oh and there is a jedi bible now? Thanks yoda.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

JJ has a lot of work to fix this mess.

Rian Johnson. **** you buddy **** you!

 

[crows]

 

[Craig Walker]

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if you're gonna cast an Asian just for ****s sake do so that it looks like they BELONG in the SW universe, not a cashier at the Dollar Tree.

It won't. The same people who are saying they're "done with SW" will be still be the first ones to see early screenings of episode IX. I know it, you know it, they know it.

Not "done with SW", but the rest is true. Pissed off at this movie, but will be back for the next.

Piss me off with that one and I'll be done.

 

[ZE_501]

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They could start with explaining who snoke is, why luke thought Ben was evil, (he sleeps evil?), and how rey plays in all this. They just punted all of this to books, cartoons, or episode 9. I've got a bad feeling about this indeed.

Oh and there is a jedi bible now? Thanks yoda.

LOL ... yes. I meant in a broader sense.


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[Ropen]

Stars wars fans are dead, they dont have to be your audience. Deal with it sweetie

I was pondering that about now, Disney wants to introduce disney nostalgia by tying in characters that are familiar and selling the brand, if anyone here still believes Kathleen never cared for fans this was the movie to prove it, SW just became mainstream, keep pushing the fans to the side and with the way things are even the new generation won’t even want star wars, these last movies are an insult to everyone, i get the EU is too much for the movies, but do the screenwriters even watch the old movies?

Is it hard to rerun all the movies and figure where to go from there? Everything obviously talks about episode Ix and forgot about the han movie because that’s what it is? Nothing to look forward to...

The merchandise is dead got it, Disney wants to create locations for their Star wars land and we all know we all want to go...


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[SilverStar17]

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I take it for what it is, not what I may have wanted it to be.

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That's the general mentality I have with films as well. Sometimes I think people take films way more seriously than what the films take themselves.

 

[kalzeth]

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Just woke up, I think im in denial, how could they have ****ed this up so bad? Im actually really bummed out. And I have to go see it again with some friends in 4 hours, havent said a word to them so im curious to see how they take it

Also how the **** can the critics be praising this like its the secind coming? John campea especially? Extremely fishy, must have some wicked rose tintented 3d glasses

Second viewing doesn’t get better although not worse either


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[KBA]

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No, because just like he stopped himself from murdering his father, he obviously also stopped himself from murdering his nephew as well for whatever reason. So the premise of "he tried to find the good in his father" is moot because he was on the verge of killing both but didn't go through with it, regardless of the circumstances. Perhaps he also tried to find the good in his nephew.

Based on what you're saying, you're essentially saying if he's going to kill someone, at least kill them when they're awake/fighting, not asleep.

No, because that was his arc and that was his lesson learnt in ROTJ: I’m not going to kill my defenceless father. His character had developed into someone who had said no and obtained new modus operandi with which future actions in similar situations would be dealt with, therefore it’s not in his character to debate killing Ben in his sleep in the new movie.

And I don’t know what else to say if you can’t see whether one chooses to face his opponent in battle or assasinate them in their sleep hold serious implications of their character.

Again, I ultimately don’t think Luke ever gets to that point where the question matters for him, but my personal opinion is yeah there’s a difference between killing someone unarmed and asleep and killing them in a fight.

 

[kalzeth]

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I'll get a v1 Phasma now that the prices are ridiculously low. Why? I like the design. If I've to but action figures based on what they do in the movie how the hell should I justify all the OT Stormtroopers (dumb and always missing target) I have, let alone dress like one?

This is how I feel about lobster guards. Definitely waiting for clearance. If they sell out I won’t feel like I missed them


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[The Chaver]

I bet Snoke is a clone or somehow he comes back in ep 9. He already looked like he was used to getting beat up, with that big butt crack on his forehead.

Funny thing was, I was expecting him to get up and put himself back together with the Force! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

What a mind job!


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[SilverStar17]

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And I don’t know what else to say if you can’t see whether one chooses to face his opponent in battle or assasinate them in their sleep hold serious implications of their character.

Right. Like I said, you're essentially saying if Luke's going to kill someone, at least kill them when they're awake/in battle and not asleep, because there's indeed a big difference. Correct?

So if Luke engaged Ben Ren in a lightsaber duel with the intention of striking him down, you'd be fine with that, yes?

 

[Rudimus]

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TLJ did it’s job just fine of showing all that’s left of the resistance is in the Millennium Falcon, setting the stage for the Ewoks to save their ass again. Who do you think they’re signaling with the beacon?