Hot Toys Announce Batman Returns License

[jye4ever]

I did feel pitty for Penguin but man was I ever confused and somewhat disappointed leading up to his death.

Catwoman suit blew my mind though in 92.

But I was like, where is the batwing and I hated Schrek and son plot.

Plus all the gloom, yuck, that's not who I was back in 92, nor today.

Today, all a gold mine though, I can fully appreciate it now and understand that Burton was in need of a huge hug back then.

 

[DGTWoodward]

Returns is a misunderstood masterpiece of the genre. if it was released today, where dark complex superheroe movies are all the rage, it would have faired better I think. but back then people expected a movie that was more just a fun, if darker, comic book movie. Returns was a mean spirited, bleak movie about sad, ruined characters and revenge. the humour might have been clever but it was not for kids. the Nolan movies, as much as I despise them, are also not really kid movies if at all, and Returns is the same way. the difference between nolan and burton is that while both are darker, more serious takes, one has no humour and visually drab, while the other has some great dark humour and is visually stunning feast for the eyes. it is pretty amazing what burton was able to get away with, considering the style of the first movie.

I absolutely agree with this 100% (as much as it may surprise BF...and me!)

Though I do personally appreciate the Nolan films for what they are.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

It was ahead of it's time.

You can quote me.

Here's to audacity.

We want figures - & we still want them in Dec 2012 damn you HT.

 

[mistermadhouse]

Also love Batman Returns. It really does hold up for a movie that is over 20 years old, and nowadays I find the pacing much better than even the '89 Batman.

The atmosphere of Gotham was amazing, the bleakness even at Christmastime, which is such an excellent time to set a Batman story. The grotesqueness of the Penguin and his twisted origins.

Lots of clever dialogue that had parallelism to modern day society, especially from Shrek and his manipulation of the Penguin to further his own agenda. Focusing the story on the villains rather than Batman himself was a very risky yet interesting move - and it really paid off. Michael Keaton showed such humanity as both Bruce Wayne and Batman as well (in both movies).

So many memorable scenes too - the masquerade, the bat-missile scene, Catwoman putting the bird in her mouth. And lets not forget the score which is among Elfman's best work ever.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

It sounds like a lot of us had similar feelings back in 92.

Crazy Batman horror film.

Only now - in the end.. do we understand.

 

[mistermadhouse]

It sounds like a lot of us had similar feelings back in 92.

Crazy Batman horror film.

Only now - in the end.. do we understand.

Burton's Batman, especially "Returns", did have a very Gothic horror, and even Shakespearean feel to it, whereas the Nolan movies (which I also love) steep themselves in modern day and realism.

Though if I had to compare, I'd say The Dark Knight also possesses the similar Shakespearean quality that Batman Returns does.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

The last 20 minutes of TDK, is perfect for falling asleep to.

..which is a perfect segue into TDKR.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Burton's Batman, especially "Returns", did have a very Gothic horror, and even Shakespearean feel to it, whereas the Nolan movies (which I also love) steep themselves in modern day and realism.

Though if I had to compare, I'd say The Dark Knight also possesses the similar Shakespearean quality that Batman Returns does.

I personally don't even like the Nolan movies. Burton really captured the atmosphere of Gotham and not dumb ****ing Chicago.

The last 20 minutes of TDK, is perfect for falling asleep to.

..which is a perfect segue into TDKR.

 

[Batfreak]

I think i'd like the Nolan movies if they weren't so different from the past films, and didn't focus so much on being "today". they just had to throw cell phones and texting into it, that's where I rolled my eyes. so much for being timeless. Nolan comes off as someone who really doesn't care for the comic books, and just wants to make a cop drama with some of the characters of batman in it. I just want to write him a letter sayin "hey chris, its cool you like cop movies and all that, but please don't include batman in it cuz it just doesn't fit and is boring as in ZZZZZZZzzzzz, thank you"

 

[Snake Plissken]

Cop drama indeed. The only thing I liked from the trilogy was Joker obviously. But even that wasn't really based on anything from the comic was it? He was just a psychopath that happens to dress like a clown.

 

[Ramatuelle]

The last 20 minutes of TDK, is perfect for falling asleep to.

..which is a perfect segue into TDKR.

Word.

People can say what they want, at least "Batman," "Batman Returns" and "Batman Forever" etc. were films distinct from each other, and you remember them - even if only for what you didn't like about them.

Returns: Gothic Christmas, and the greatest Catwoman since Newmar. How can anyone not love that?

 

[Snake Plissken]

Word.

People can say what they want, at least "Batman," "Batman Returns" and "Batman Forever" etc. were films distinct from each other, and you remember them - even if only for what you didn't like about them.

Returns: Gothic Christmas, and the greatest Catwoman since Newmar. How can anyone not love that?

Hathaway was dog ****. Offered nothing.

 

[ASTRO13ZOMBIE]

The last 20 minutes of TDK, is perfect for falling asleep to.

..which is a perfect segue into TDKR.

 

[Batfreak]

Hathaway was dog ****. Offered nothing.

agreed. the moment I heard she was going to be catwoman (or should I say leather clad biker chick since she was never actually called catwoman), I knew it was going to suck. such a overrated actress, and she is nowhere as sexy or beautiful as newmar or pfieffer. forgettable, just as much as halle berry.


for me, there are really only 4 great batman movies. the 1966 adam west movie, and the first 3 WB batmans. B&R was too silly but at least it was entertaining. nolans movies are hard to differentiate from each other, they all look the same and that makes it boring to watch. I understand not every version of batman is going to be great, but the recent ones are simply not my cup of tea. I think they really did everything they could with the original 4 films, the recent ones are just kinda boring and the times they try to be a little quirky, it comes off as derivative of the burton films. nolans just seem like any of the more recent comic book offerings, just more serious. the lack of humour and visually stimulating set pieces and characters holds no value to me at all. these are comic book films after all, not classic literature.

plus bales batsuit with that egghead cowl, beak nose, puzzle piece armor and cancer throat...just, no.

 

[batfan08]

I like everything Batman. I bust DiFabio's chops about Returns, but, while it's not my favorite, I enjoy it from time to time, and, contrary to what I've been saying, I really do want to see what Hot Toys does with it. At the end of the day, I think all interpretations of Batman are valid, whether he's flying the Batplane towards the Joker, flying a nuke out to sea in The Bat, or piloting a rocket ship to Mars in some silver age comic.

He's my favorite character, and I accept the good with the bad. Personally, I absolutely love Nolan's take; it's its own thing, and I get how some might not like it, but I think, when you look at the underlying elements, there's a lot that's faithful to the source material, even if it's not at surface level. With that being said, in a lot of ways, that actually helps me appreciate Batman and Robin more. Reason being, if it hadn't failed, we probably would've seen a string of Batman films that got progressively worse instead of Nolan's trilogy.

That being said, even B&R had it's redeeming qualities. It's funny, and it certainly wears its camp on its sleeve like a badge of honor, and I actually think that Clooney was a really good choice. He's a great actor, and, I feel that, under different circumstances, he'd have made a hell of a Batman.

 

[mistermadhouse]

agreed. the moment I heard she was going to be catwoman (or should I say leather clad biker chick?), I knew it was going to suck. such a overrated actress, and she is nowhere as sexy or beautiful as newmar or pfieffer. forgettable, just as much as halle berry.


for me, there are really only 4 great batman movies. the 1966 adam west movie, and the first 3 WB batmans. B&R was too silly, nolans movies are hard to differentiate from each other, they all look the same and that makes it boring to watch.

That fact that you consider Batman Forever "great" makes your opinion invalid. Don't know how anyone could ever find the Nolan movies boring, but I digress since this is a BR thread.

 

[Batfreak]

That fact that you consider Batman Forever "great" makes your opinion invalid. Don't know how anyone could ever find the Nolan movies boring, but I digress since this is a BR thread.

says the troll whos got Hathaway plastered all over your sig. seriously, your bias towards anything not Nolan is immature and ridiculous. batman forever is a great batman movie and just cuz you have jumped on the Nolan bandwagon doesn't make your opinion any more valid then mine.

 

[batfan08]

I don't find anyone's opinions to be invalid, I just think people are way to closed minded when it comes to these characters. If they could just get past the superficial stuff, there are great stories that really enrich these characters and their mythos from various genres. At the core of the comics, the Adam West TV show, the Christopher Nolan films, the animated shows, the video games; everything, really. There's still Batman a man who, after witnessing the deaths of his parents as a boy, grew up to fight injustice in a cape and a cowl.

 

[Ramatuelle]

NO, his opinion is not "invalid" any more than yours is "invalid" because you love that Nolan crap. Hey, you love it and you are the one who lives in YOUR head, so that is all good.

But, people who do not agree with you don't automatically get less weight attached to their opinions. Doesn't work that way.

Someone else: Hathaway was dog ****. Offered nothing.

I would not exactly call her that, but I will say the Hathaway "Catwoman" was instantly forgettable and brought nothing to the role, except perhaps a cool outfit. Personality-wise she did not capture my imagination.

 

[Snake Plissken]

agreed. the moment I heard she was going to be catwoman (or should I say leather clad biker chick since she was never actually called catwoman), I knew it was going to suck. such a overrated actress, and she is nowhere as sexy or beautiful as newmar or pfieffer. forgettable, just as much as halle berry.


for me, there are really only 4 great batman movies. the 1966 adam west movie, and the first 3 WB batmans. B&R was too silly but at least it was entertaining. nolans movies are hard to differentiate from each other, they all look the same and that makes it boring to watch. I understand not every version of batman is going to be great, but the recent ones are simply not my cup of tea. I think they really did everything they could with the original 4 films, the recent ones are just kinda boring and the times they try to be a little quirky, it comes off as derivative of the burton films. new ones just seem like any of the more recent comic book offerings, just more serious. the lack of humour and visually stimulating set pieces and characters holds no value to me at all.

plus bales batsuit with that egghead cowl, beak nose, puzzle piece armor and cancer throat...just, no.

I appreciate trying to make it "real world" but there wasn't anything intimidating with that Batman.

The 89 Batsuit is my favorite since the cowl reminds me of a Gargoyle head you'd see on the side of a building. I loved how that Batman never really spoke and had no emotion, he was more of a creature.