1/6 Batman 1989: Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

[toylion]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

Some have been blue. My Kenner Super Powers Batmobile is blue.

Again, like Darth Vader's helmet, the blue is only for contrast, If they colored it all black it would look just like a blob. Just look at Superman's hair in comic book, it has blue for contrast, his hair isn't suppose to be blue.

 

[DarkMagic]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

There was an interview on channel 7 with Gary Franklin talking to Terry Ackland-Snow, who helped design and build the Batmobile. He said. "We didn't want it to be jet black' We had to photograph it at night, so we mixed a special paint for it that made it shimmer like a beetle, or shift colors like a beetle." I can't remember the exact quote as it was in 1989 that I watched the interview. Maybe there is a video of the TV interview somewhere on the net. He said it was a metallic.

Ok I know it was not exactly black. But I also know the color is very hard to pin down. Is it not SILVER. That is way too bright and reflective. There have been pages and pages of discussions about this on the "Chicks Love the car" boards, and those replica makers are arguably the biggest Batmobile 89 fanatics around.

If replica makers haven't been able to recreate that paint exactly at 1:1 scale, how do you expect a 1:6 model to? I am all for realism, and getting things to be as accurate as possible, but I really think Hot Toys has achieved possibly the best compromise at this scale.

You acknowledge they had to photograph it at night, so they had to paint it at a shade lighter than black for the details to be visible on film. Would you prefer a HT Batmobile that only looked right outside at night or with the lights dimmed?

And what about the scale, you have not responded to my assertion (and supporting math) that it is not too short.

 

[Centrocal]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

It doesn't have the same character as the real car.

We already know HT didn't make it 100% to scale because of size and cost, but its still 39". Its not like they turned it into a Go Kart or something. Sure we'd love for it to be totally perfect but you have to take into account that HT has to SELL THIS THING. Only a small percentage of their cutomers is gonna buy this. People are already complaining about the price and if money is not a factor, space definitely is. HT is trying their best to hit that sweet spot where its reasonably priced, looks good, can be mass produced and still make a profit. I think it could maybe use some more weathering to make it look less 'plastic like' but you know HT are always making adjustment, very rarely do they ever release a final product without some kind of improvement over the prototype *cough* Indiana Jones *cough*

All im saying is, if this isn't good enough, good luck waiting for ANY other company to top this.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

We already know HT didn't make it 100% to scale because of size and cost, but its still 39". Its not like they turned it into a Go Kart or something. Sure we'd love for it to be totally perfect but you have to take into account that HT has to SELL THIS THING. Only a small percentage of their cutomers is gonna buy this. People are already complaining about the price and if money is not a factor, space definitely is. HT is trying their best to hit that sweet spot where its reasonably priced, looks good, can be mass produced and still make a profit. I think it could maybe use some more weathering to make it look less 'plastic like' but you know HT are always making adjustment, very rarely do they ever release a final product without some kind of improvement over the prototype *cough* Indiana Jones *cough*

All im saying is, if this isn't good enough, good luck waiting for ANY other company to top this.

If this doesn't stop him nothing will

 

[toylion]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

If this doesn't stop him nothing will

It won't, he doesn't care what we say. He just want to stir things up and that's fine. We have over a year to wait for this and have to talk about something.

 

[intothevoid]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

I can understand where Blackthornone is coming from - it is by no means perfect.

But yeah, it's pretty much the best we will get.

Still, HT is known to make tweaks to protos, so wouldn't be a bad idea to post areas for improvement on their FB page. Always worth a shot

 

[Blackthornone]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

Ok I know it was not exactly black. But I also know the color is very hard to pin down. Is it not SILVER. That is way too bright and reflective. There have been pages and pages of discussions about this on the "Chicks Love the car" boards, and those replica makers are arguably the biggest Batmobile 89 fanatics around.

If replica makers haven't been able to recreate that paint exactly at 1:1 scale, how do you expect a 1:6 model to? I am all for realism, and getting things to be as accurate as possible, but I really think Hot Toys has achieved possibly the best compromise at this scale.

You acknowledge they had to photograph it at night, so they had to paint it at a shade lighter than black for the details to be visible on film. Would you prefer a HT Batmobile that only looked right outside at night or with the lights dimmed?

And what about the scale, you have not responded to my assertion (and supporting math) that it is not too short.

As far as the lighting regarding the color, yes, I would want to be able to dim the lights to match that of the movie so that the colors of the Bat suit and the Batmobile are in agreement, relative to each other.

As far as the shortness, look at the very front of the car, and how curved the front fenders are together. By doing that, they kept each fender tip approximately the correct width in terms of the outer silhouette. What if the fenders weren't so curved inwards as they are, since they are curved in too radically? That would mean that the front of the fender tips would look too narrow and pointy, wouldn't it?

Why would they look too pointy? Because they wouldn't have enough fender towards the outside of the fender. Why is this? Because the car is too narrow, and they curved the very front of the front fenders much more inward in order to compensate.


Because the front of the car is too narrow, that also indicates that the car must be too short, to keep everything approximately proportional. If the car is too short AND too narrow, what is it too short and too narrow in proportion TO? Answer: The cockpit.

Look at how sharp the edge of the top of the cockpit is on the HT versus the real Batmobile. See how the real Batmobile canopy is more rounded at the top?

Do you also notice how the scoop on the roof is more wide on the HT vs the real one, in order to be more the right width compared to the top of the hard edged roof? Why is the roof so hard edged? Could it be to make it look bigger, or to make more room for the figure inside?
If the canopy was more correctly rounded, that would reduce the space for the figure. This brings us to the conclusion that the Batmobile is really too small for the figure, by maybe 8% or so.

 

[Blackthornone]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

I think what we need is a picture of Batman in the cockpit with the canopy open next to one of the HT Batman in the HT Batmobile with the canopy open so we can compare the size of Batman to the size of the Batmobile. Look at the size of the cockpit relative to the rest of the car on the HT and on the real one. There is quite a discrepancy between the two.

 

[banthafett]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

Are we really going to have to read page after page of this ____?

If you like it, order it, if you dont, GTFO and go to the Crumbler thread.

 

[DarkMagic]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

As far as the lighting regarding the color, yes, I would want to be able to dim the lights to match that of the movie so that the colors of the Bat suit and the Batmobile are in agreement, relative to each other.

As far as the shortness, look at the very front of the car, and how curved the front fenders are together. By doing that, they kept each fender tip approximately the correct width in terms of the outer silhouette. What if the fenders weren't so curved inwards as they are, since they are curved in too radically? That would mean that the front of the fender tips would look too narrow and pointy, wouldn't it?

Why would they look too pointy? Because they wouldn't have enough fender towards the outside of the fender. Why is this? Because the car is too narrow, and they curved the very front of the front fenders much more inward in order to compensate.


Because the front of the car is too narrow, that also indicates that the car must be too short, to keep everything approximately proportional. If the car is too short AND too narrow, what is it too short and too narrow in proportion TO? Answer: The cockpit.

Look at how sharp the edge of the top of the cockpit is on the HT versus the real Batmobile. See how the real Batmobile canopy is more rounded at the top?

Do you also notice how the scoop on the roof is more wide on the HT vs the real one, in order to be more the right width compared to the top of the hard edged roof? Why is the roof so hard edged? Could it be to make it look bigger, or to make more room for the figure inside?
If the canopy was more correctly rounded, that would reduce the space for the figure. This brings us to the conclusion that the Batmobile is really too small for the figure, by maybe 8% or so.

Again you are talking about how things LOOK. I am talking about cold, hard, MATH. Our eyes can deceive us, numbers don't lie. Find fault with my math that proves its too short.

 

[Karnis]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

I think it looks great.
I am buying it. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Why?
Because...

"It's not a perfect world."

"It doesn't need to be a perfect world."

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

I think it looks great.
I am buying it. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Why?
Because...

"It's not a perfect world."

"It doesn't need to be a perfect world."

 

[Blackthornone]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

I think it looks great.
I am buying it. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Why?
Because...

"It's not a perfect world."

"It doesn't need to be a perfect world."

It's not a perfect world because people keep messing it up. In my opinion, basically,the quest for perfection is what makes life worth living, and things in this world worth having.

I just figured that long time adult Batman fans would be more discerning about the accuracy of their adult priced collectibles. I understand why children aren't, at children's toy prices, but I just don't understand why someone would pay a high price for something that wasn't correct and why someone would want a Batmobile that is so inaccurate displayed next to perfect action figure, since to me, that would only serve to detract from the overall perfection, and the greatness, and ultimately the impressiveness of the display. Of course if you just want a cute toy, ok, don't complain to Hot Toys about little details that could be fixed that wouldn't affect the production costs or relate to the size, ect.

If all people wanted was a cute toy, all they would have to do is say so, instead of asserting that this HT was actually an accurate representation of the Batmobile, and then it would be clear that any inaccuracies would be totally irrelevant to said people, but alas, they asserted it looked like the Batmobile. Sigh... Oh well. No point in discussing it further.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

It's not a perfect world because people keep messing it up. In my opinion, basically,the quest for perfection is what makes life worth living, and things in this world worth having.

I just figured that long time adult Batman fans would be more discerning about the accuracy of their adult priced collectibles. I understand why children aren't, at children's toy prices, but I just don't understand why someone would pay a high price for something that wasn't correct and why someone would want a Batmobile that is so inaccurate displayed next to perfect action figure, since to me, that would only serve to detract from the overall perfection, and the greatness, and ultimately the impressiveness of the display. Of course if you just want a cute toy, ok, don't complain to Hot Toys about little details that could be fixed that wouldn't affect the production costs or relate to the size, ect.

If all people wanted was a cute toy, all they would have to do is say so, instead of asserting that this HT was actually an accurate representation of the Batmobile, and then it would be clear that any inaccuracies would be totally irrelevant to said people, but alas, they asserted it looked like the Batmobile. Sigh... Oh well. No point in discussing it further.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

I'm a fan of the 1989 Batman film and hold the film pretty close to my heart. I'd like to think that I have a good amount of knowledge when it comes to the trivia and behind the scenes of the movie, more than just your average fan. I've obsessively followed the film to a point that, when any new information that I haven't previously known comes up, from a deleted scene, to new behind the scenes stuff, that it gets me excited and even more interested in the movie. I know about the behind the scenes tricks, the deleted scenes, the nike boots, how they made the cape, etc.

From Kenner to ERTL, to Hot Wheels, I've owned a vast amount of collectibles/merchandise for the film.

When it comes to the Batmobile and the film in general, I'm so happy and relieved that I'm not so obsessed with "accuracy" that I find issues with the merchandise/collectible products of the film. It blinds fans who would otherwise be perfectly content with the cool collectibles that have come out. We've seen this with many "expert" members for the Dark Knight and cking with Superman. They're never happy and are always in pursuit of something that will never happen, perfection and perceived "accuracy".

They let the informational, factual aspect take over the fun of the hobby.

None of these things have ever been 100% perfect. Even recently, the new Hot Toys '89 Batman, as fantastic as it is isn't absolutely true to the film counter part. The suit is one piece, the cowl has a texture, the suit has a texture, I could go on and on. You know what though? It's still the best Batman figure to date and I don't really give a damn if it's true to life or not. I didn't work on the film, I'm not privy or in the know about every single detail that has gone on behind the scenes of these films. It's "close enough" and in some ways, in a lot of ways, I prefer Hot Toys' "idealized" version of what they gave us.

The same applies to this '89 Batmobile. Out of the Batmobiles I own, my two favorites have been the Kenner, 1990 Dark Knight Collection Batmobile and the Hot Wheels 1:18th scale die cast Batmobile.

Neither one of them are accurate. The Kenner Batmobile has dark, gold hub caps, no lights, one seat (with a label/decal for the dash and a boxy no less) and isn't in perfect scale for the Batman. The Hot wheels one isn't 100% true to it's on screen counterpart either, especially with those infamous red/orange headlights.

You know what though? They capture the character and essence of the film Batmobile. It was good enough for the kid in me who wanted to play with one and good enough for the adult collector who wanted to collect them.


This Hot Toys Batmobile is no different. Yes, it's a little boxy and there are a few things that could be changed but it's hardly as bad as some would like to make it out to be. It's not the '89 Batmobile? Really? You could have fooled me. I don't care what screen caps or references you show me. These things will never be 100% accurate, not only because they're an entirely different scale, but because even behind the scenes there were differences, ala, MOVIE MAGIC. Not only that, but when you illustrate photos of two different scales, in different lighting, from different perspectives, it's still not a good comparison.



There was a time when '89 Batman product was pretty much non-existent, especially "accurate" high-end quality stuff like these Hot Toys and Toynami collectibles. If you wanted it, you pretty much had to commission it or make your own.

Now collectors are getting what they always dreamed of, and now, for a select few, it's "not good enough". Well as the old saying goes, beggars can't be choosers.

These things have come a long way, just look at one of the very first Batmobile from 1989,

(nothing against you Toy Biz, you were cool for your time)


I have a hard time finding fault with Hot Toys' interpretation of the Batmobile. It's the right size, comes with most, if not all of the main gadgets/weapons, has yellow headlights, a detailed cockpit, working canopy and more. Perfect? No. But no collectible ever is.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

Only thing that could even remotely make DiFabio's post even better would be a lolcat.

 

[wavestuff]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

Things I learned today:

1. I'm glad I don't have an artists eye
2. DiFabio has a way to get Bats into the 89 Batmobile...I really hope HT does something like that pics of the modified body

i lernead that the batmobile was a dark silver and that people can hold civiliezd discussions about

 

[MR Regan]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

I'm a fan of the 1989 Batman film and hold the film pretty close to my heart. I'd like to think that I have a good amount of knowledge when it comes to the trivia and behind the scenes of the movie, more than just your average fan. I've obsessively followed the film to a point that, when any new information that I haven't previously known comes up, from a deleted scene, to new behind the scenes stuff, that it gets me excited and even more interested in the movie. I know about the behind the scenes tricks, the deleted scenes, the nike boots, how they made the cape, etc.

From Kenner to ERTL, to Hot Wheels, I've owned a vast amount of collectibles/merchandise for the film.

When it comes to the Batmobile and the film in general, I'm so happy and relieved that I'm not so obsessed with "accuracy" that I find issues with the merchandise/collectible products of the film. It blinds fans who would otherwise be perfectly content with the cool collectibles that have come out. We've seen this with many "expert" members for the Dark Knight and cking with Superman. They're never happy and are always in pursuit of something that will never happen, perfection and perceived "accuracy".

They let the informational, factual aspect take over the fun of the hobby.

None of these things have ever been 100% perfect. Even recently, the new Hot Toys '89 Batman, as fantastic as it is isn't absolutely true to the film counter part. The suit is one piece, the cowl has a texture, the suit has a texture, I could go on and on. You know what though? It's still the best Batman figure to date and I don't really give a damn if it's true to life or not. I didn't work on the film, I'm not privy or in the know about every single detail that has gone on behind the scenes of these films. It's "close enough" and in some ways, in a lot of ways, I prefer Hot Toys' "idealized" version of what they gave us.

The same applies to this '89 Batmobile. Out of the Batmobiles I own, my two favorites have been the Kenner, 1990 Dark Knight Collection Batmobile and the Hot Wheels 1:18th scale die cast Batmobile.

Neither one of them are accurate. The Kenner Batmobile has dark, gold hub caps, no lights, one seat (with a label/decal for the dash and a boxy no less) and isn't in perfect scale for the Batman. The Hot wheels one isn't 100% true to it's on screen counterpart either, especially with those infamous red/orange headlights.

You know what though? They capture the character and essence of the film Batmobile. It was good enough for the kid in me who wanted to play with one and good enough for the adult collector who wanted to collect them.


This Hot Toys Batmobile is no different. Yes, it's a little boxy and there are a few things that could be changed but it's hardly as bad as some would like to make it out to be. It's not the '89 Batmobile? Really? You could have fooled me. I don't care what screen caps or references you show me. These things will never be 100% accurate, not only because they're an entirely different scale, but because even behind the scenes there were differences, ala, MOVIE MAGIC. Not only that, but when you illustrate photos of two different scales, in different lighting, from different perspectives, it's still not a good comparison.



There was a time when '89 Batman product was pretty much non-existent, especially "accurate" high-end quality stuff like these Hot Toys and Toynami collectibles. If you wanted it, you pretty much had to commission it or make your own.

Now collectors are getting what they always dreamed of, and now, for a select few, it's "not good enough". Well as the old saying goes, beggars can't be choosers.

These things have come a long way, just look at one of the very first Batmobile from 1989,

(nothing against you Toy Biz, you were cool for your time)


I have a hard time finding fault with Hot Toys' interpretation of the Batmobile. It's the right size, comes with most, if not all of the main gadgets/weapons, has yellow headlights, a detailed cockpit, working canopy and more. Perfect? No. But no collectible ever is.

Well said I was just about to type all that

 

[Boba Ben]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

Good posting DiFabio. I hereby declare you the true Batman of the Sideshow Freaks forum.

 

[Centurion]

Re: Hot Toys Batman 1989: 1/6th scale Batmobile Collectible Vehicle - Specs & Pics

LOL! Please don't.