Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[Wor-Gar]

Everyone will be fat on a couch but super handsome in VR lol

Go to any Disneyland. The first part has already happened.

With a $28 million opening I doubt it. (Unless that was your joke and I simply missed it.)

Yes, it was a joke. You seem to be the only one kind of recognizing them. The above on the other hand is not a joke.

 

[jye4ever]

Go to any Disneyland. The first part has already happened.




Yes, it was a joke. You seem to be the only one kind of recognizing them. The above on the other hand is not a joke.

Walmart Land

 

[LeoNatan]

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No objectivity whatsoever in that article. Biased oversimplification. Assuming the absolute worst motivations in people and then wondering why society is so 'divided'.

Jesus don't get me started again

The irony is on them. It pushes me to automatically hate this even without seeing.

 

[Khev]

The irony is on them. It pushes me to automatically hate this even without seeing.

That's how pathologically stupid these ideologues are who shill based on identity politics. The very act of them shilling directly contributes to a film's underperformance. They learned absolutely nothing from the failure of Ghostbusters 2016 or the success of WW. Nothing at all.

 

[Popnfresh98]

After reading through the rest of the thread, I’d say this wins best post:

Sigh.

So this bit from the article Buffinator linked



Sure it's a good thing - assuming these people want the job and are qualified. If they don't want the job and they aren't qualified then they shouldn't just arbitrarily be granted jobs for arbitrary reasons but I assume that's not the case.

But, y'know, a handy way of avoiding the whiny backlash might just be to do all this inclusion stuff minus the public references to too many white men. It should be possible to do what you want to do without making it seem like white men as a group are a 'problem'. When you have 2 options and you know one of those options will cause the backlash - and that's the one you choose - you must bear some blame.

Ask yourselves, might we actually be doing something needlessly wrong here? Make the necessary adjustment and then see how it goes. Just try it on for size. And if white men still take issue with it, as I said yesterday, then you've probably identified the genuine arseholes. But you did it by a more careful process that didn't simply expect all good white men not to be offended when you intimate that white men are a problem. You can't say 'too many black people', you can't say 'too many women', you can't say 'too many jewish people' or 'too many *insert any other grouping*'

Be consistent within your own principles.

This is on point. There’s no problem with people wanting more inclusiveness or more diversity. It’s about HOW you go about doing it. You don’t need to demonize/tear one group down to build another up.

In Brie’s comments, both current and past, she always makes a big statement about how she doesn’t want to hear white men’s opinions or she doesn’t want them around, and then goes on to say what her main point was, though it seems secondary by then. Of course the headlines reflect this (quite proudly)

Now imagine, if all she said was, ‘In this press tour I want to give a voice to those whose voices haven’t been heard, and I want to reach out to minorities who have been unfairly represented thus far’ (or some such)

It’s like a-dev said, whoever disagreed with that statement would be a complete a-hole, and everyone would instantly know it.

The thing is, these people don’t actually want equality. They use it as an excuse to attack a group of people they dislike, because what they really want is revenge, masquerading as virtue.

All you have to do is compare Brie (or any other current person using the same ideology) to examples of people who truly want equality.

Take MLK as an example:

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers

He does specifically call out the racists but doesn’t insult the entire race while he’s at it, and specifically points out that it’s content of character vs skin color that matters. That’s pure class, all the way.

Let me also add I say all this being non white. In fact my parents are an interracial couple (neither white) who faced a lot of racism back in the day as they ‘weren’t’ allowed to marry back then. But they hold no grievances in their hearts for those who made trouble for them, as they know that’s just a way to keep the hate alive.

Well while i am Australian my background is Greek so really i am not the "white" person she is talking about. But it doesn't matter if she said white, black, asian, indian if she targets any audience for an agenda i have an issue with it even if its not me.

Exactly. Racism is racism. I can’t believe some people think it’s allowable under certain circumstances.

Racism is always wrong.

That's how pathologically stupid these ideologues are who shill based on identity politics. The very act of them shilling directly contributes to a film's underperformance. They learned absolutely nothing from the failure of Ghostbusters 2016 or the success of WW. Nothing at all.

Yup. If you make enemies of your audience, tell them how superior you are and act like they need to learn something from you while you insult them at the same time, why will they show up? Although this is marvel and endgame is coming up, so it might not exactly end up being ghostbusters 2016

And your previous point of GG and BL being polar opposites is bang on. GG is the girl I’d want to marry, BL is the one I’d want to divorce (based purely on personality, not getting into looks. Subjective opinion of course)

 

[Wor-Gar]

White people are so last millennium.

 

[Rotfish]

Here is the interview where she is saying it:
https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/brie-larson-march-cover

Larson compares it to seeing Indiana Jones for the first time when she was young. “I remember losing my mind,” she says. Harrison Ford’s character became her ideal. “I couldn’t think of a female equivalent,” she says. “There was Sigourney Weaver in Alien, of course, but there wasn’t enough of that spectrum of confidence and sass and a little bit of a mess, just a mix of everything. Women weren’t allowed to do that.” When she got the first draft of the Captain Marvel script, she had finally found her female Indy.

Ripley almost loses it on Ash in the first movie after she talks to the ship's computer. She's understandably shaky, but rational and firm when Parker and Lambert are panicking afterwards.

She regularly has nightmares in the second film. She then faces her fear and becomes a badass by the end.

In the third one, we get more character development (or at least introspection) out of her than in any of the other films. Everyone she's ever cared for is dead. She's lonely and forms a connection with Clemens. After he dies, she shows cynicism and a darker sense of humor. She then sacrifices herself to kill off the last of the species and put the wrench in the Company's plans for good.

How is that not a broad enough spectrum? Even within the first film, we see confidence, sass, and volatility. I'd even argue she goes through more emotions in the trilogy than Indy.

I'm curious what will fill the superhero void. Will we have a revisionist's horror era? Will 'hard action' come back into vogue as the success of things like John Wick? Or will kiddies weaned on 10+ years of superheroes demand more 'super' stuff just a little more grounded - like without the star-spangled costumes?

Mostly family fantasy/action for the last 10 years has to give way to something a bit more hard edged though, doesn't it?

I do wonder. It seems you can't go hard-edge these days without being cheeky about it. You have to make fun of how ridiculous your project is for it to work with general audiences, otherwise they'll roll their eyes. I'd call John Wick an exception to this, but it's not nearly as hardcore and macho as what we had in the '80s and '90s.

For a time it seemed likely we'd get more abstract, introspective pieces with mental health and social justice metaphors like some of the stuff that's popping up on Netflix, but while there are vocal fans on the internet, they don't come up in most offline circles (assuming producers still consider those).

Personally I'd love to see movies like BR2049 and the upcoming Dune become the next generation of event films. You wouldn't think it possible looking at the media and user landscape these days, but the bubble will eventually pop. Clickbait and the immediate, over-enthusiastic "OMG this is everything" culture will become too obnoxious and the general public will tire of it. Hopefully we can then start to feed our minds again at the cinema.

Or cinema as we know it dies out. Superhero movies and big tentpole franchises could be the last gasp of the dying theater experience and we start catering more to home streamers. The market could break down into little niches, which could be good or bad. Good in the greater variety of content. Bad in that things could get tribal (as they often do when this happens; look at what's happened to journalism and news since the one-channel Murrow days.) Producers are too afraid to pump decent money into a single project, so there are no "blockbusters" anymore. Everything becomes cheap because everyone needs their own unique form of entertainment. The medium of actual film could dilute over time and become little or nothing.

I'm just rambling at this point. Guess we'll find out, won't we?

 

[JAWS]

That's how pathologically stupid these ideologues are who shill based on identity politics. The very act of them shilling directly contributes to a film's underperformance. They learned absolutely nothing from the failure of Ghostbusters 2016 or the success of WW. Nothing at all.

Unbelievable isn't it..

Now I did not really see any problem with what BL said.. I mean.. If she wants to do more interviews with woman and people of color then that's fine.. But as someone else said.. Do it and don't virtue signal... No reason for it except to try and make yourself look superior.

As for the Trolls hating on films because woman are in them... Its like they just choose to ignore fan favs like Fury Road and Wonder Woman. I personally loved Atomic Blond also and that was super far fetched lol. But damn it was fun to watch that girl kick ass! Speaking of Kick Ass... We were all willing to accept a 12 year old girl could lay down some major damage

Granted Fury Road did have some trolls but most films do in one way or the other.

Just make a good film.. Don't make Ghostbusters and then try and blame the opposite sex when it bombs...

I am starting to worry about this film.. Seems like there may be a push for some controversy which could mean they are gearing up to blame all the men again for the films failures.

 

[JAWS]

Ripley almost loses it on Ash in the first movie after she talks to the ship's computer. She's understandably shaky, but rational and firm when Parker and Lambert are panicking afterwards.

She regularly has nightmares in the second film. She then faces her fear and becomes a badass by the end.

In the third one, we get more character development (or at least introspection) out of her than in any of the other films. Everyone she's ever cared for is dead. She's lonely and forms a connection with Clemens. After he dies, she shows cynicism and a darker sense of humor. She then sacrifices herself to kill off the last of the species and put the wrench in the Company's plans for good.

How is that not a broad enough spectrum? Even within the first film, we see confidence, sass, and volatility. I'd even argue she goes through more emotions in the trilogy than Indy.

I don't know why people just cant accept that men and woman are different and that is ok.. There does not need to be a female Indy... Hell there isn't another Male Indy .. I don't want a male Ripley either.. Ripley Rules just like Indy does but in different ways and for different reasons.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Or cinema as we know it dies out. Superhero movies and big tentpole franchises could be the last gasp of the dying theater experience and we start catering more to home streamers. The market could break down into little niches, which could be good or bad. Good in the greater variety of content. Bad in that things could get tribal (as they often do when this happens; look at what's happened to journalism and news since the one-channel Murrow days.) Producers are too afraid to pump decent money into a single project, so there are no "blockbusters" anymore. Everything becomes cheap because everyone needs their own unique form of entertainment. The medium of actual film could dilute over time and become little or nothing.

This is an incredibly sad future. It's very strange to think we exist in a moment of time. That "this time" will not last. That it will change beyond recognition in just one or two more generations. That our experiences will be impossible for future people to truly understand. We were lucky. We lived during a relatively peaceful moment in human history. And movies ruled.

Movies as we know them will ultimately perish as all entertainment formats do. VR worlds will likely be the inevitable future 100 years from now. But story-telling will always survive. Good and bad.

 

[Khev]

GG is the girl I’d want to marry, BL is the one I’d want to divorce

Just saw Alita in IMAX 3D. Damn! It isn't perfect but man what it does well it does freaking *awesome.* My eyes literally teared up (no joke!) during one particular action sequence because *I was not blinking.* Screw you Captain Marvel, Alita FTW, lol.

 

[Sassafras]

First tweets out. Described as trippy, unexpected, funny, 1990s nostalgia trip, cat is a scene stealer, Mendelson awesome, positive comments for BL, feminist. Those are critic comments tho - critics can be weird IMO.

So maybe it doesn't suck. Hints of 2 credit scenes.

 

[Popnfresh98]

^Early reviews for certain kinds of flicks are almost always glowing nowadays. Remember Academy Award winning Suicide Squad or Ghostbusters 2016 or even A Wrinkle in Time?

Of course, they are accurate at times as well.

Just saw Alita in IMAX 3D. Damn! It isn't perfect but man what it does well it does freaking *awesome.* My eyes literally teared up (no joke!) during one particular action sequence because *I was not blinking.* Screw you Captain Marvel, Alita FTW, lol.

That’s as good a recommendation as I’ve seen.. I love those kinds of moments in film more than anything. You’ve convinced me to go see it.

 

[Neal136]

First tweets out. Described as trippy, unexpected, funny, 1990s nostalgia trip, cat is a scene stealer, Mendelson awesome, positive comments for BL, feminist. Those are critic comments tho - critics can be weird IMO.

So maybe it doesn't suck. Hints of 2 credit scenes.

Yup. In case anyone wants to read them .....

CAPTAIN MARVEL Reactions Say It's Surprising & Unlike Any Marvel Movie Ever; Ben Mendelsohn Steals The Show

 

[Dash]

Yup. In case anyone wants to read them .....

CAPTAIN MARVEL Reactions Say It's Surprising & Unlike Any Marvel Movie Ever; Ben Mendelsohn Steals The Show

Does Ben Mendelsohn play the cat..? Because I heard the cat stole the show...

 

[MegaPrime33]

Popular reviewers can be bribed to give movies a glowing review. The only reviewer opinions I trust are people like us who post on message boards because they will be the most honest. From what I've seen of this movie, I don't expect much at all, just like AntMan and the Wasp, but I'm going to see it for the MCU tie-ins and whatever fun surprises they have in store.

 

[xipotec]

Its weird we live in such a paranoid age where every opinion is subject to conspiracy “bribe” and ulterior motives.

Maybe people just have different tastes as to what they want out of a movie?

I mean Suicide Squad sucked to me, ditto with BvS , Aquaman and JL.....

But I loved TFA and TLJ.......

Loved Dead Mans Chest and BR2049....

Didn’t like John Wick liked Fantastic Beasts....

Liked Halloween 2018 and Heredity...

So If I were a reviewer.....who am
I shilling for? Maybe its time we stop blaming people for what the like or don’t like....and stop assuming its some conspiracy to overthrow one culture/race/ or belief system.

Each and everyone of these films has its detractors , and people who love them, and every where in between.

I find it best to find a reviewer who seems to match your taste in films, and listen to their opinions....if you need someone else opinion on what to like.

My fellow freaks, are always a good read as to why a film is good or bad, do I agree with all of them? Hell no, but (for the most part) they are reasonable people.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

Does Ben Mendelsohn play the cat..? Because I heard the cat stole the show...

 

[Neal136]

And, ultimately, people will reference whichever source they like that will help support their own opinion ... and then completely ignore or downplay that same exact source when it doesn't fit with their thoughts on the next film.

 

[Chakor]

Loved Dead Mans Chest...