Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
I guess some other character crashed the falcon all over a junkyard, released the rathtars, got emotionally unstable and ran into the clutches of the enemy. And certainly there's no precedent in the Star Wars universe for any character with innate piloting skills and force sensitivity after a pep talk by an old person.
I guess some other character crashed the falcon all over a junkyard, released the rathtars, got emotionally unstable and ran into the clutches of the enemy. And certainly there's no precedent in the Star Wars universe for any character with innate piloting skills and force sensitivity after a pep talk by an old person.
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Yep, even Leia in TFA is a better female character imo, a leader, old (I know she wouldn't appreciate it but old people rock
), tough, experience and with her cool smoker voice
There was a time when ''strong female character'' didn't necessarily mean ''totally and completely infallible''. I'll stick with Ripley (Alien 1-3) and Sarah Connor.
Yep, even Leia in TFA is a better female character imo, a leader, old (I know she wouldn't appreciate it but old people rock
), tough, experience and with her cool smoker voice 
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
Good MS points made but there are some good points in this article as well and some I don't agree with: Forbes Welcome
There are obviously different ways to interpret and often that interpretation has to do with inherent, unavoidable bias.
Good MS points made but there are some good points in this article as well and some I don't agree with: Forbes Welcome
There are obviously different ways to interpret and often that interpretation has to do with inherent, unavoidable bias.
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
they all look like clones. they even all sound the same, I dont get it. They are all white.
I love how when it comes to progressive people in Hollywood, "Diversity" always means "more white actresses" and I dont even have a problem with that, but then dont bash us over the head with the whole "WE NEED DIVERSITY IN HOLLYWOOD" thing that people are doing, Look at the Ghostbusters new movie.... Paul Feig keeps screaming about diversity and yet... well, yeah.
they all look like clones. they even all sound the same, I dont get it. They are all white.
I love how when it comes to progressive people in Hollywood, "Diversity" always means "more white actresses"
and I dont even have a problem with that, but then dont bash us over the head with the whole "WE NEED DIVERSITY IN HOLLYWOOD" thing that people are doing, Look at the Ghostbusters new movie.... Paul Feig keeps screaming about diversity and yet... well, yeah.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
Why didn't she just tell the storm trooper to help her escape?
Why didn't she just tell the storm trooper to help her escape?
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
Say Luke and Annakin had "innate" piloting skills, and even in the case of Anakin, that even derived from force sensitivity, but that's they only thing they were good at.
And even if they were as prodigious as Rey in all skills required for the plot, which they weren't and they were faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from it, they still made many more mistakes, had more weaknesses and personality traits that worked against them and made many many more mistakes than Rey, AND they often were not liked by other characters.
Nah, son, she's a Mary Sue, no way around it.
All of that worked out surprisingly well after for her immediately thought, didn't it? Even when she screws up she ends up saving the day. Is there anything more Mary Sue than that?
Say Luke and Annakin had "innate" piloting skills, and even in the case of Anakin, that even derived from force sensitivity, but that's they only thing they were good at.
And even if they were as prodigious as Rey in all skills required for the plot, which they weren't and they were faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from it, they still made many more mistakes, had more weaknesses and personality traits that worked against them and made many many more mistakes than Rey, AND they often were not liked by other characters.
Nah, son, she's a Mary Sue, no way around it.
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Isn't Katniss a perfect example of a Mary Sue? Or does she have magical powers too?
Isn't Katniss a perfect example of a Mary Sue? Or does she have magical powers too?
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So now "perfect" isn't part of your definition anymore. How did I know that would happen?
"Son?"
All of that worked out surprisingly well after for her immediately thought, didn't it? Even when she screws up she ends up saving the day. Is there anything more Mary Sue than that?
Say Luke and Annakin had "innate" piloting skills, and even in the case of Anakin, that even derived from force sensitivity, but that's they only thing they were good at.
And even if they were as prodigious as Rey in all skills required for the plot, which they weren't and they were faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from it, they still made many more mistakes, had more weaknesses and personality traits that worked against them and made many many more mistakes than Rey, AND they often were not liked by other characters.
Nah, son, she's a Mary Sue, no way around it.
So now "perfect" isn't part of your definition anymore. How did I know that would happen?
"Son?"
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>Everybody liked Luke
>Everybody liked Han
>Has to make up scenarios that Rey would have to overcome to finally be considered a MS by the author even though those scenarios have nothing to do with her.
If there's bias, it comes from people like him.
Sure the term has changed over time, fine, in the current, modern meaning, she's objectively and Mary Sue.
"Perfect" is subjective, Mary Sue is not.
I'm speaking dank ghetto, son!
I read that long ago.
>Everybody liked Luke
>Everybody liked Han
>Has to make up scenarios that Rey would have to overcome to finally be considered a MS by the author even though those scenarios have nothing to do with her.
If there's bias, it comes from people like him.
Sure the term has changed over time, fine, in the current, modern meaning, she's objectively and Mary Sue.
I never said perfect though, a Mary Sue will make mistakes or have bad traits that don't actually affect her negatively.So now "perfect" isn't part of your definition anymore. How did I know that would happen?
"Son?"
"Perfect" is subjective, Mary Sue is not.
I'm speaking dank ghetto, son!
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Yes!! Love her, she's absolutely bad ass.
Darn, I was rooting for the actress from Orphan Black.I think she's amazing.
Yes!! Love her, she's absolutely bad ass.
Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
When all you've got is a hammer, all you see are nails. If one thing is certain it's that discussion forums are a hot bed of confirmation bias and inductive reasoning.
That said, the trailer looks slick and I'm looking forward to this movie, if only to see classic Vader kick some ass.
When all you've got is a hammer, all you see are nails. If one thing is certain it's that discussion forums are a hot bed of confirmation bias and inductive reasoning.
That said, the trailer looks slick and I'm looking forward to this movie, if only to see classic Vader kick some ass.
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I'm sure you've called her perfect before but aside from that your current definition is that she can do whatever the plot requires without effort which is also not so. Though I imagine you'll say it wasn't enough effort next.
I'm sure you've called her perfect before but aside from that your current definition is that she can do whatever the plot requires without effort which is also not so. Though I imagine you'll say it wasn't enough effort next.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
So yeah you're right about the bias.
No, it is so. Unless you mean the effort that is required to move the arm up to force grab the lightsaber, then sure, it does take her some effort. And you're forgetting all the other MS traits she fits right into.
Nope, I see nails, then I pick up the hammer. Some people see nails, and they don't think they're nails so they pick up duct tape. At least regarding this issue.
So yeah you're right about the bias.
Like I said, perfect is subjective, if I ever called her "perfect", I meant she's perfect for the plot, but I don't recall calling her that.
No, it is so. Unless you mean the effort that is required to move the arm up to force grab the lightsaber, then sure, it does take her some effort. And you're forgetting all the other MS traits she fits right into.
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While other people pleasure themselves in bean bag chairs and eat Cheetos.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
Poor cameraman. He didn't deserve this.
You've obviously never seen Bloodline. That guy is ****ing awesome.
Since Batman V Superman Superman is Jesus, I guess that makes him a Marty Stu.
I haven't been following this argument, that apparently was raging regarding Force Awakens. But I'm with you guys. It definitely stuck out to me that Rey was way too impressive than she should have been. But then, my theory is that she'll turn to the dark side, as a function of this. When you get power too easily, you can't really appreciate it. Kylo will end up redeeming himself by taking out Evil Queen Rey.
There was a time when ''strong female character'' didn't necessarily mean ''totally and completely infallible''. I'll stick with Ripley (Alien 1-3) and Sarah Connor.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)
Also, if the Rey/Mary Sue thing wasn't true, or atleast half true, there wouldn't be so many discussions, videos and articles about it. It's not just something that spawned out of nowhere. There must be something there if you have droves of people having to come in and rescue the critique with long, ranting blogs that attempt to contradict each and every point people have made.
If it weren't an issue, nobody would be talking about it. It would have never been brought up or be so widespread. These things don't just come out of nowhere. People saw the movie and noticed it. Plain and simple. Cover your ears and shake your head all you want, it is what it is.
Also, if the Rey/Mary Sue thing wasn't true, or atleast half true, there wouldn't be so many discussions, videos and articles about it. It's not just something that spawned out of nowhere. There must be something there if you have droves of people having to come in and rescue the critique with long, ranting blogs that attempt to contradict each and every point people have made.
If it weren't an issue, nobody would be talking about it. It would have never been brought up or be so widespread. These things don't just come out of nowhere. People saw the movie and noticed it. Plain and simple. Cover your ears and shake your head all you want, it is what it is.
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