Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[Entropy]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Okay. Luke is useless and inadequate in ANH

Guess the Death Star blew itself up.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Rogue One will get a 110% approval rating on RT for the first time ever

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Luke is a **** up throughout the original movies.

- Sandpeople beat him up and knock him out (Obi-Wan saves him)
- Cantina patrons rough him up (Obi-Wan saves him)
- he almost gets blown up by Vader (until Han Solo shows up and saves him)
- Han mocks him because Luke thinks he's a hotshot pilot when he's really not
- can't deflect remote bolts, gets shot in the leg/ass which Han also mocks
- he can't communicate with R2 without a translator
- Leia saves him in a rescue mission for HER, even makes fun of him

He's whiny, vulnerable, impatient, can't lift X-Wings, gets his hand chopped off, etc. etc. In original treatments and deleted scenes he was known as "wormy" and Biggs is the only one that liked him.

Compare that to Rey who would have beaten up the Sandpeople and cantina patrons single-handedly with her staff (like she did with the Jakku thugs). Knows the Millennium Falcon better than Han and Chewie (much to Han's own surprise). Quips that she doen't need no blaster. Can use the force and wield a lightsaber with ease by just thinking hard about it. Expert pilot, expert marksman (the Troopers right before the Kylo Ren scene). Can communicate with all droids and aliens. Gets a job offer from Han and knows pretty much everything but why she was abandoned and how/why she has all these new found powers (da force is calling to her).

It took Luke 3 movies to go from this,





To this,





And even then he gets wrecked by the Emperor and only survives because of the love of his father . . . or something.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Okay. Luke is useless and inadequate in ANH, that automatically makes him the farthest thing from a Gary Stu.

In short (because I can quote paragraphs and paragraphs explaining countless Mary Sue traits that Rey will fit into like a glove)... Rey is liked by everyone, can do everything required by the plot without effort, her abilities are far too exceptional even for Star Wars, has no notable weaknesses, physical, emotional or mental or traits that work against her, etc etc, that is a Mary Sue even by definition.



Exactly, hell, a major reason why TFA happens is because Luke ****ed up

She did refuse to take Luke's saber from Maz, but then 20 minutes later she was kicking ass with it.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Rogue One will get a 110% approval rating on RT for the first time ever

Why so low.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Compare that to Rey who would have beaten up the Sandpeople and cantina patrons single-handedly with her staff. Knows the Millennium Falcon better than Han and Chewie. Can use the force and wield a lightsaber with ease by just thinking hardabout it. Expert pilot, expert marksman. Can communicate with all droids and aliens. Gets a job offer from Han and knows pretty much everything but why she was abandoned.

Meanwhile, Finn is busy sweating and getting his ass kicked by everyone, including Rey

 

[evenflow]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Guess the Death Star blew itself up.

There were plenty of screw ups that happened prior to reaching some potential. He still made poor choices in ESB. Rey was perfect from the start. She knows the Falcon better than Han, is great with he lightsaber, speaks to droids, knows several languages, etc., etc., etc.,

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Luke is a **** up throughout the original movies.

- Sandpeople beat him up and knock him out (Obi-Wan saves him)
- Cantina patrons rough him up (Obi-Wan saves him)
- he almost gets blown up by Vader (until Han Solo shows up and saves him)
- Han mocks him because Luke thinks he's a hotshot pilot when he's really not
- can't deflect remote bolts, gets shot in the leg/ass which Han also mocks
- he can't communicate with R2 without a translator
- Leia saves him in a rescue mission for HER, even makes fun of him

He's whiny, vulnerable, impatient, can't lift X-Wings, gets his hand chopped off, etc. etc. In original treatments and deleted scenes he was known as "wormy" and Biggs is the only one that liked him.

Compare that to Rey who would have beaten up the Sandpeople and cantina patrons single-handedly with her staff (like she did with the Jakku thugs). Knows the Millennium Falcon better than Han and Chewie (much to Han's own surprise). Quips that she doen't need no blaster. Can use the force and wield a lightsaber with ease by just thinking hard about it. Expert pilot, expert marksman (the Troopers right before the Kylo Ren scene). Can communicate with all droids and aliens. Gets a job offer from Han and knows pretty much everything but why she was abandoned and how/why she has all these new found powers (da force is calling to her).

Guess the Death Star blew itself up.

One great feat in the only thing he's exceptionally good at does not make a Gary Stu, when he's been ****ing up all the time before that point.

Now Rey pulls off great feats in everything she does because she's exceptionally good at everything.

She is a Mary Sue.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Why so low.

Disney conspiracies

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

One great feat in the only thing he's exceptionally good at does not make a Gary Stu, when he's been ****ing up all the time before that point.

And he was still guided by Obi Wan. It's not like he was so great and confident that he just went in there like a bad ass and did it by himself.

 

[Entropy]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

There were plenty of screw ups that happened prior to reaching some potential. He still made poor choices in ESB. Rey was perfect from the start. She knows the Falcon better than Han, is great with he lightsaber, speaks to droids, knows several languages, etc., etc., etc.,

Yes, yes, and Rey makes poor choices in Ep 8 and 9. No one gives her credit for that.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

One great feat in the only thing he's exceptionally good at does not make a Gary Stu, when he's been ****ing up all the time before that point.

Now Rey pulls off great feats in everything she does because she's exceptionally good at everything.

She is a Mary Sue.

Even with being guided Luke would've failed at Death Star had Han not saved his punk ass.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Please explain further. I'm truly interested on your viewpoint on this. Mary Sue's (and Marty Stu's) are typically portrayed as overly perfect/idealistic characters within fan fiction. In my many watching's of any Star Wars movies there's not any characters (male or female) that struck me as Mary Sue or Marty Stu's. Especially since it's a movie universe set-up where people have special abilities (the force), can make weapons that will destroy planets, can exist as Force ghosts and so on.

-SideshowAlex

Well, you can see how everybody's making a point about it now

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Rogue One will get a 110% approval rating on RT for the first time ever

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

And he was still guided by Obi Wan. It's not like he was so great and confident that he just went in there like a bad ass and did it by himself.

Even with being guided Luke would've failed at Death Star had Han not saved his punk ass.

There you go.

Yes, yes, and Rey makes poor choices in Ep 8 and 9. No one gives her credit for that.

If they make her flawed and vulnerable in the sequels, she'll stop being a MS, but that won't change the fact that she's on in TFA.

 

[crows]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

i dont get it

are they trying to copy Katniss from the hunger games??

she looks the same, dresses the same, sounds the same... same hair style, is disney really going for that?

whats funny is that i can already see some people that might think this is a movie with Rey or something, people that might not pay attention to what this movie is about might be like "Oh so this is a Solo Rey movie?"

strong Womyn characters is cool but not when they are becoming clones of each other...

 

[myc]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Luke is a **** up throughout the original movies.

- Sandpeople beat him up and knock him out (Obi-Wan saves him)
- Cantina patrons rough him up (Obi-Wan saves him)
- he almost gets blown up by Vader (until Han Solo shows up and saves him)
- Han mocks him because Luke thinks he's a hotshot pilot when he's really not
- can't deflect remote bolts, gets shot in the leg/ass which Han also mocks
- he can't communicate with R2 without a translator
- Leia saves him in a rescue mission for HER, even makes fun of him

He's whiny, vulnerable, impatient, can't lift X-Wings, gets his hand chopped off, etc. etc. In original treatments and deleted scenes he was known as "wormy" and Biggs is the only one that liked him.

Compare that to Rey who would have beaten up the Sandpeople and cantina patrons single-handedly with her staff (like she did with the Jakku thugs). Knows the Millennium Falcon better than Han and Chewie (much to Han's own surprise). Quips that she doen't need no blaster. Can use the force and wield a lightsaber with ease by just thinking hard about it. Expert pilot, expert marksman (the Troopers right before the Kylo Ren scene). Can communicate with all droids and aliens. Gets a job offer from Han and knows pretty much everything but why she was abandoned and how/why she has all these new found powers (da force is calling to her).

It took Luke 3 movies to go from this,


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To this,


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And even then he gets wrecked by the Emperor and only survives because of the love of his father . . . or something.

so harsh !!!!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I'm happy Star Wars is giving us lead, strong female characters.

It's not as if you guys don't have lead male characters who are good at everything and stronger/more powerful than you'd imagine either.

Katnis, -vergent series girl, Rey, now Jyn.... seems like young girls kick more ass than boys these days.

I blame Hayden Christiansen.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

strong Womyn characters is cool but not when they are becoming clones of each other...

This one doesn't have a lightsaber though.

If anything, Rey = the perfect British female Luke and Felicity Jones' character = the perfect British female Han Solo. Maybe, who knows. Only so much you can take away from that trailer.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Luke is a **** up throughout the original movies.

- Sandpeople beat him up and knock him out (Obi-Wan saves him)
- Cantina patrons rough him up (Obi-Wan saves him)
- he almost gets blown up by Vader (until Han Solo shows up and saves him)
- Han mocks him because Luke thinks he's a hotshot pilot when he's really not
- can't deflect remote bolts, gets shot in the leg/ass which Han also mocks
- he can't communicate with R2 without a translator
- Leia saves him in a rescue mission for HER, even makes fun of him

He's whiny, vulnerable, impatient, can't lift X-Wings, gets his hand chopped off, etc. etc. In original treatments and deleted scenes he was known as "wormy" and Biggs is the only one that liked him.

Compare that to Rey who would have beaten up the Sandpeople and cantina patrons single-handedly with her staff (like she did with the Jakku thugs). Knows the Millennium Falcon better than Han and Chewie (much to Han's own surprise). Quips that she doen't need no blaster. Can use the force and wield a lightsaber with ease by just thinking hard about it. Expert pilot, expert marksman (the Troopers right before the Kylo Ren scene). Can communicate with all droids and aliens. Gets a job offer from Han and knows pretty much everything but why she was abandoned and how/why she has all these new found powers (da force is calling to her).

It took Luke 3 movies to go from this,


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To this,


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And even then he gets wrecked by the Emperor and only survives because of the love of his father . . . or something.

There was a time when ''strong female character'' didn't necessarily mean ''totally and completely infallible''. I'll stick with Ripley (Alien 1-3) and Sarah Connor.