Wolverine Legendary scale figure??!!!

[Spidey976]

This whole thing is really dumb. This has always been known as an open ES so either buy it or don't. I don't understand why people get so hung up on how many remain in stock. They can make more when ever they want and forever if they so choose. I understand not supporting that if you disagree but why would you complain they haven't tricked or deceived anyone. I myself have been tempeted to purchase this piece and it is still on my radar but I would do so knowing full well that it has no ES and that thousands more could be made. I agree with Spidey if profits are you goal your going about it wrong. If owning amazing statues is what your after then you can't do much better than this.

 

[jpsarri]

Your the one getting all confrontational ... And you have been doing it i. Other threads as well....Firstly I NEVER would buy this... And if you read back just a few pages you would read that. For te price of a LSF I can get The Superman PF, Batman PF, the Gladiator Hulk PF and a smaller Com. I am just saying that if people wares this they went INTO this known g it was an open edition... They knew what they were getting ... Te in low quantity alert or not ... They did what they WANTED to do.... They wanted the statue and to THEM the statue must have been worth it. Get off your tiny little Bowen Boxes and stop tryin to look down at us.

Cry me a river. What are you? The thread police? I am also a sideshow collector but I do not drink the Kool-aid. I've been a collector since the late 90s, so I speak from experience. Bowen has been around longer than both of us, so show some respect.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

My comments are not directed towards those in favor of open editions. For once, I count myself as part of that group. And secondly, I could care less for flippers on Ebay. In what I truly disagree on, is the steep price tag that does not reflect the true value of the statue.

I'm confused by this statement. Exactly what in your estimation gives the "true Value" of a statue?

 

[Spidey976]

Cry me a river. What rare you? The thread police? I am also a sideshow collector but I do not drink the Kool-aid. I've been a collector since the late 90s, so I speak from experience. Bowen has been around longer than both of us, so show some respect.

You know what I had this long response typed out, but you know what you aren't worth it... Welcome to the IGGY. However before I sign out I will just say I love Bowen statues, what I don't love is how you keep jumping into threads stirring up crap and saying how Bowen does things better.... It is repetative and unnecessary. If you don't care for any SSC pieces, and you want to just gush over Bowen, and yes some of the deserve it, pieces why don't you go to statuemarvels...the will ALL agree with you there..

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Cry me a river. What rare you? The thread police? I am also a sideshow collector but I do not drink the Kool-aid. I've been a collector since the late 90s, so I speak from experience. Bowen has been around longer than both of us, so show some respect.

I've been collecting just as long, I bought my first piece in 1997, Clayburn Moore Cold Cast Spider-man Ornament, I loved that.

I have a question though, if you aren't so high on Sideshow, exactly what are you doing on site called "Sideshow Freaks"?

 

[Atheris]

What some of you have to consider is that regardless of personal opinion on the piece itself to justify the price, SS gives customers enough evidence to prove its not a justified asking price. How can you produce a piece like Sauron or Galactus for less than 1k, yet wolverine (almost identical) on all levels for $1000 more?

The question becomes, how does SS justify that? The second question is how can the collector justify that?

Eventually they will stop producing any open ES piece. At that point they become "collectible" and potentially worth the inflated asking price as they are "sold out" in the traditional sense.

The part I take issue with is the fact I don't know how many SS is saturating the market with. Even if they sell out, their may be many for sale on the secondary market for years...possibly less than retail even. The other issue I have is that at any point in time if SS chooses to "reinstate" the production of this piece (as was done with the HCG 1:2 T-800 for example) SS indirectly sabotages the value of the collectors substantial investment when "they" feel like drawing more money from the well.

It's exploitation of the collector. What's worse is that their ARE collectors that condone it and support it at their own financial and moral expense.

I am not telling people how to spend their money. I'm asking them to think about the consequences behind it. Not only does it deliver the message to SS that asking these prices is "ok", it also shows their are people out there incapable of thinking past the transaction.

If SS insists on selling open ES pieces, then I think it's only fair they price them as MASS PRODUCED pieces to bring down asking prices as low as possible. In the collectible world usually something with low availability commands high price tags as you're mostly paying for "exclusivity". With the LSF wolverine and others...you are getting NONE of that but paying the price as if you were.

In my opinion, it's morally wrong and should not be supported.

Chris

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

What some of you have to consider is that regardless of personal opinion on the piece itself to justify the price, SS gives customers enough evidence to prove its not a justified asking price. How can you produce a piece like Sauron or Galactus for less than 1k, yet wolverine (almost identical) on all levels for $1000 more?

The question becomes, how does SS justify that? The second question is how can the collector justify that?

Eventually they will stop producing any open ES piece. At that point they become "collectible" and potentially worth they inflated asking price as they are "sold out" in the traditional sense.

That part I take issue with is the fact I don't know how many SS is saturating the market with. Even if they sell out, their may be many for sale on the secondary market for years...possibly less than retail even. The other issue I have is that at any point in time if SS chooses to "reinstate" the production of this piece (as was done with the HCG 1:2 T-800) SS indirectly sabotages the value of the collectors substantial investment when "they" feel like drawing more money from the well.

It's exploitation of the collector. What's worse is that their ARE collectors that condone it and support it at their own financial and moral expense.

I am not telling people how to spend their money. I'm asking them to think about the consequences behind it. Not only does it deliver the message to SS that asking these prices is "ok", it also shows their are people out there incapable of thinking past the transaction.

If SS insists on selling open ES pieces, then I think it's only fair they price them as MASS PRODUCED pieces to bring down asking prices as low as possible. In the collectible world usually something with low availability commands high price tags as you're mostly paying for "exclusivity". With the LSF wolverine and others...you are getting NONE of that but paying the price as if you were.

In my opinion, it's morally wrong and should not be supported.

Chris

See I understand where you're coming from but also have to Disagree.

See the two Examples you gave, The Sauron PF and Galactus Maquette aren't the same size as the Wolverine Legendary scale Figure. Now the Height might be the same but the over all Dimensions? Not even Close. Here, I'll explain.

The Sauron Measures 36" tall standing Straight
The Galactus Measures 33" tall Standing Straight
The Wolverine measures 31" tall Hunched over.

Now you can argue that yes they're both taller, but froma figure Standpoint, the actual size of the figure, they're not. If Wolverine were stand Straight up and down he'd Be at minimum as tall Sauron. Now you might say that that doesn't justify the price, however..

The Sauron measures 18" wide
The Galactus measures 16" wide
The Wolverine Measures 33" Wide

He's Nearly TWICE the size of either of those wide, and He's 8" larger in Depth than the Sauron, but Just as Deep as the Galactus.

Now to you this may not mean a lot but This is More Figure than either of those.

The only place I can agree with you is that Yes, 2000 is too much, I honestly think that this should have been priced in the 1200-1500 range given the prices of other figures.

However, the edition size of an Item has NEVER and will never dictate it's price with these larger companies. DC Direct never sold a 5k edition piece for under going market value. When Sideshow upped the PF price to $300, DC Direct Countered with The Muesum Quality's at $300. When Sideshow Upped the Price of their Comiquettes, Bowen Upped the price of their 1/7th Full Size statues.

The only thing that dictates price is the the Consumers willingness to spend. So don't think that just because they make a lot of an item any one of these Companies is going to lower a single price. That's never been how it goes, not with Collectibles, not with comics, not with cards or anything else.

-End Rant-

 

[Monty]

What some of you have to consider is that regardless of personal opinion on the piece itself to justify the price, SS gives customers enough evidence to prove its not a justified asking price. How can you produce a piece like Sauron or Galactus for less than 1k, yet wolverine (almost identical) on all levels for $1000 more?

The question becomes, how does SS justify that? The second question is how can the collector justify that?

Eventually they will stop producing any open ES piece. At that point they become "collectible" and potentially worth the inflated asking price as they are "sold out" in the traditional sense.

That part I take issue with is the fact I don't know how many SS is saturating the market with. Even if they sell out, their may be many for sale on the secondary market for years...possibly less than retail even. The other issue I have is that at any point in time if SS chooses to "reinstate" the production of this piece (as was done with the HCG 1:2 T-800 for example) SS indirectly sabotages the value of the collectors substantial investment when "they" feel like drawing more money from the well.

It's exploitation of the collector. What's worse is that their ARE collectors that condone it and support it at their own financial and moral expense.

I am not telling people how to spend their money. I'm asking them to think about the consequences behind it. Not only does it deliver the message to SS that asking these prices is "ok", it also shows their are people out there incapable of thinking past the transaction.

If SS insists on selling open ES pieces, then I think it's only fair they price them as MASS PRODUCED pieces to bring down asking prices as low as possible. In the collectible world usually something with low availability commands high price tags as you're mostly paying for "exclusivity". With the LSF wolverine and others...you are getting NONE of that but paying the price as if you were.

In my opinion, it's morally wrong and should not be supported.

Chris

Give it a rest dude,your like CBG obsessed with edition sizes and have posted over and over on this board and the other about your opinion on open edition sizes.

 

[Atheris]

See I understand where you're coming from but also have to Disagree.

See the two Examples you gave, The Sauron PF and Galactus Maquette aren't the same size as the Wolverine Legendary scale Figure. Now the Height might be the same but the over all Dimensions? Not even Close. Here, I'll explain.

The Sauron Measures 36" tall standing Straight
The Galactus Measures 33" tall Standing Straight
The Wolverine measures 31" tall Hunched over.

Now you can argue that yes they're both taller, but froma figure Standpoint, the actual size of the figure, they're not. If Wolverine were stand Straight up and down he'd Be at minimum as tall Sauron. Now you might say that that doesn't justify the price, however..

The Sauron measures 18" wide
The Galactus measures 16" wide
The Wolverine Measures 33" Wide

He's Nearly TWICE the size of either of those wide, and He's 8" larger in Depth than the Sauron, but Just as Deep as the Galactus.

Now to you this may not mean a lot but This is More Figure than either of those.

The only place I can agree with you is that Yes, 2000 is too much, I honestly think that this should have been priced in the 1200-1500 range given the prices of other figures.

However, the edition size of an Item has NEVER and will never dictate it's price with these larger companies. DC Direct never sold a 5k edition piece for under going market value. When Sideshow upped the PF price to $300, DC Direct Countered with The Muesum Quality's at $300. When Sideshow Upped the Price of their Comiquettes, Bowen Upped the price of their 1/7th Full Size statues.

The only thing that dictates price is the the Consumers willingness to spend. So don't think that just because they make a lot of an item any one of these Companies is going to lower a single price. That's never been how it goes, not with Collectibles, not with comics, not with cards or anything else.

-End Rant-

I wasn't just comparing dimensions, but the complexity of the pieces as well. It's obvious Sauron and Galactus will require hours more time and material to produce, including electronics in the case of Galactus. Wolverine is a simple body covered in cloth. The only time spent painting this would be on the face, arms and feet. My painter could knock that out in a couple hours, and unless their using silk as his bodysuit it doesn't cost them that much for material.....at least not $1000 more. When you take that into account, along with other factors I mentioned 2k for wolvie doesn't add up as justifiable.

Chris

 

[Atheris]

Give it a rest dude,your like CBG obsessed with edition sizes and have posted over and over on this board and the other about your opinion on open edition sizes.

Obsessed and opinionated are separate things. Just like critical thinking is separate from CBG.

Chris

 

[jpsarri]

You know what I had this long response typed out, but you know what you aren't worth it... Welcome to the IGGY. However before I sign out I will just say I love Bowen statues, what I don't love is how you keep jumping into threads stirring up crap and saying how Bowen does things better.... It is repetative and unnecessary. If you don't care for any SSC pieces, and you want to just gush over Bowen, and yes some of the deserve it, pieces why don't you go to statuemarvels...the will ALL agree with you there..

I am also a member there. So chillax!!

I never claimed that Bowen was better. You misconstrued my words. I treasure many of my Sideshow pieces but I am not bias towards the company as a whole. No company out there walks on water. Each company has its flaws but also its highlights.

 

[jpsarri]

I've been collecting just as long, I bought my first piece in 1997, Clayburn Moore Cold Cast Spider-man Ornament, I loved that.

I have a question though, if you aren't so high on Sideshow, exactly what are you doing on site called "Sideshow Freaks"?

Sorry, dude. I was at work so I couldn't see your post.

I am a collector in general. I collect Sideshow, PCS, Gentle Giant, Bowen, Koto, DC Direct, etc. I never said that I hated SS, contrary to what Spidey says. I just expressed my opinion without the fanboyism that seems to permeate some people around. I call it like it is. I personally miss the old creative Sideshow and despise the commercial monopoly that it has become.

 

[jpsarri]

I'm confused by this statement. Exactly what in your estimation gives the "true Value" of a statue?

Atheris responded to your question very eloquently, so I don't need to. You might not agree wholeheartedly with his view but I do. Two heads don't think alike.

 

[filip629]

IMHO, OPEN ES SUX!

 

[Tavegg]

Sorry, dude. I was at work so I couldn't see your post.

I am a collector in general. I collect Sideshow, PCS, Gentle Giant, Bowen, Koto, DC Direct, etc. I never said that I hated SS, contrary to what Spidey says. I just expressed my opinion without the fanboyism that seems to permeate some people around. I call it like it is. I personally miss the old creative Sideshow and despise the commercial monopoly that it has become.

If SS wasn't such a monopoly in the market they wouldn't have the capital to produce the dozens of new marvel statues and DC statues at the rate they have been coming out as of recent. I collect bowen and koto too but not one of those companies has anything in the works like SS has leaked out in the last two months and that isn't even taking into consideration the sneaks that we haven't even seen full pics of yet. They have so much coming its almost overbearing. It's hard to hate on a company for capitalizing on what they do best and right now there is no one else that can touch the 1/4 or 1/2 scale department. Any good businessman strives for the largest margin they can rake. Thats just good business. SS exists to make money as does any other statue manufacture out there. Don't kid yourself into thinking Randy and Sosa wouldn't love to have a chance at producing in a larger scale department with higher margins. I feel you on the price tags but I can honestly say there are very few SS purchases I have made where buyers remorse kicked in after I had the piece in hand. As far as the 2k price tag on wolverine, I won't even remember the cash is gone the moment he's sitting in my living room.

 

[RobertoBagg10]

$2000 or $200...it's still the most definitive Wolverine Collectible on the market and I'm so happy to have it

More importantly, Elmo gave it the thumbs up...and who's gonna argue with Elmo!!

 

[jpsarri]

$2000 or $200...it's still the most definitive Wolverine Collectible on the market and I'm so happy to have it

More importantly, Elmo gave it the thumbs up...and who's gonna argue with Elmo!!

More power to you. But $2000 off the batch, it is not worth.

By the way, Elmo is a "Grail". Love the pic.

 

[RobertoBagg10]

By the way, Elmo is a "Grail". Love the pic.

 

[Mr. Green]

everything looks nice but shouldn't he have some lip definition? I see lots of details on the arm, fabric line, and mask.

 

[Antman84]

More power to you. But $2000 off the batch, it is not worth.

By the way, Elmo is a "Grail". Love the pic.

Awesome pics !!!! Any news on the custom heads?