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Yes, and I regret that is what compelled him to have to come here to set the record straight. But you're right, there are those people.

That, and probably my conversation with Steven today when I picked up my Venkman figure and the topic of the BW Ghostbusters "second wave" pipe dream that's been going around the forum came up, might've compelled him to post here today. :monkey3
 
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Royal guards always get crap for not doing anything = selling like hot cakes

Praetorian guards actually do some work & put up a decent fight against two saber wielders = made fun of and not selling well

OT always wins.

Objectively... even though we've gotten used to them as "heroine" and "villain", a group of sixth graders could take down Rey and Kylo if you really think about it. Vader - who the Imp guards did face off with in the cut scene - seems like he'd be a bit tougher.:lol

Hot toys got a little paranoid with Praetorian guards vs the OT Royal guard. Man, they may both be red and have the same job but one will always be the clear winner.

Guarding the throne room of a deformed-faced old ruler of the galaxy in robes who always sits on a throne and hosts his protege (a villain dressed in black who he communicates with via hologram) as he escorts the "chosen one" with Jedi powers who has surrendered with the intention of winning over the protege, even though after the chosen one won't give in to the ruler (even after the ruler shows them their friends are dying,) the ruler blasts them with force powers until the villain in black steps in to stop it and kills the ruler?

I dunno... other than those things, I don't see any similarities between the two scenarios. :dunno
 
This is the secret base pic of the new Palps sculpt - giving a better "in-hand" look rather than the studio lighting in the PO pics. The PO'ed sculpt is clearly not the same as the earlier "Ed Harris" sculpt we've seen for months.

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NOTE: THE PICTURES ABOVE ARE THE SAME SCULPT under very different lighting .
 
Nope. I'm going to have to disagree with you there; it's the same exact sculpt just from a different angle with better paint and lighting.
 
This is Steven Allen. I am one of the owners of Timewalker Toys & Collectibles. I don't spend a lot of time on the forums. As a business owner I simply don't have the time. However, I have asked various customers and employees to keep an eye on things for me so that I can stay informed of the latest in 1/6th (retailers don't always get all the information they need from their distributors) and be informed when the occasional forum participant speculates on a subject for which he or she has no facts.

As a retailer, we have been a wholesale customer of Sideshow Collectibles for over 15 years. We have the highest regard and respect for Sideshow. Sideshow is highly reliable cornerstone in this industry for both retailers and end consumers alike. Like any solid, reliable, and successful business, Sideshow has a set of rules that retailers must follow. Timewalker Toys & Collectibles has never, not once, violated the terms of our contract with Sideshow. We have always operated well within the parameters of our agreement with Sideshow as we have with all of the vendors with whom we have a working relationship.

For those who prefer facts over speculation, here are the facts regarding our recent listing of the Royal Guard and Emperor Palpatine. First the Royal Guard ~ we thought it strange that Hot Toys did not release this item as a twin pack (or at least provide this option), since most Star Wars fans who reflect on the films think of the Royal Guard as coming in sets of two. We thought it might be a natural inclination for Hot Toys buyers to want to pick up two, so we created our own grouping of two Royal Guards. All of you know this a very expensive hobby. So we though it would be nice to offer a mild discount on a set of two, if someone was willing to shell out the money to have two, instead of settling for one. Our discounted preorder price was well within Sideshow's MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) policy. If you come to our website now, you will find that our special Grouping of Two Royal Guards is no longer available. Why? It is because Sideshow "got to" us? No. It is because our intuition about the end consumer's desire to buy this item in a set of Two was too successful. What many of you do not know is that retailers are capped on the number of pieces that can be purchased for inventory on Hot Toys products. Overnight, our Grouping of Two Royal Guards has pushed us right up the edge of what we will be allowed to purchase for inventory, hence the reason for turning the product record for the Grouping of Two off, and removing our standard preorder discount for the single purchase Royal Guard product record.

So what about the Emperor? Why did we adjust our preorder pricing on these two offerings? Because, like the Royal Guard, sales on the Emperor, for us at least, was over-heating. Many of you who picked up your Royal Guard(s) from us in the last 24 hours also picked up Emperor Palpatine in one form or the other, which means it is very likely that our preorder allocation will sell out long before the preorder period ends. From a retailer's perspective this is, contrary to what you might think, unsettling, since this item doesn't come out until the 1st Quarter of 2019. It means we are unlikely to have stock for the store. We thought it was clear the Emperor didn't need the extra help, so we made a mild adjustment to our preorder price. Once again, it was a pragmatic move by Timewalker, and it was not because Sideshow "got to" us.

So, congratulations to those who got their preorders in early. We appreciate your support!

Nice to hear from Steve, especially when he gives great inside info into how to biz works... so thanks for that.

Wor-gar, in his usual way, was not serious about his comment. I think he was referring to the fact that many collectors , have, as of late, been disappointed with SSC and the way they are doing business.

Which, is why many of us are now loyal TW customers! I just received Lady Death from you this week, so I am sure you will figure out who this is.

TW has a huge following here, due to how Steve runs his business, and we are grateful for his business model.

I find it unfortunate that your limited on your stock orders, that does seem like a control method or sorts. But I do not know the ins and outs of 1/6 retail.

I do know, that MANY people here are turning to TW for their needs over SSC. I think Wor was alluding to the possibility that a large importer and seller , has the power to control another retailer should they desire. Let hope that never happens , because TW is much better to deal with then SSC.

Keep up the great work Steve....

Xipo-WS


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I would love to see the preorder numbers on the TLJ Guards versus the Royal Guards. Just out of curiosity.

Based on Steven's near sell-out, sounds like there's no competition.

Ha, I alluded to the number of TLJ figure sales in my note to Hot Toys about the need for Rogue One figures. They really would be interesting to see !!
 
Nope. I'm going to have to disagree with you there; it's the same exact sculpt just from a different angle with better paint and lighting.

You mean with me?

The pictures I posted above are of the same sculpt, just different lighting. I was saying that a few people thought the one that's been put up for PO is the same sculpt as the "Ed Harris" one that has been shown for months - I posted pics earlier showing that the one that went up for PO is a 100% new sculpt (ie not even a revision of the "Harris" sculpt.)

I then posted the above pics to show the PO'ed sculpt under different lighting to again reinforce that it's different to the "Ed Harris" one (as some people had said the PO'ed sculpt was just the "ed Harris" sculpt under studio lighting and with different/better paint.)
 
This is the secret base pic of the new Palps sculpt - giving a better "in-hand" look rather than the studio lighting in the PO pics. The PO'ed sculpt is clearly not the same as the earlier "Ed Harris" sculpt we've seen for months.

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I don't know why this is even an argument. It's different and miles better.
 
Totally different sculpt from the "Ed Harris/Hefner" proto seen at shows in 2017. Not even tweaked version of previous sculpt - all-new (neck sculpt totally different.)

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Reposting this for TaliBane, where he shows the proto vs the new sculpt. They are clearly, clearly different. Just look at the sculpted wrinkling of both the chin and then brow directly above the nose. Curious how some people still can’t see the difference?


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Hmm. I want to say it's different, but the comparison pictures (that TB provided) don't really provide a good juxtaposition.

The angle is indeed different as mentioned and the image on the left of the "Ed Harris sculpt" sort of washes out the sculpt of any detail due to the lighting and brightness of the photo.

However, I just noticed while typing this post that the texture pattern on the forehead does appear to be different on the two sculpts. Based on that I would now assert that it is indeed a reworked/new sculpt.
 
Due to confusion (sorry...:lol) I think I need to repost my pics just to clarify what I was showing.

1. These first pics show the PO'ed figure on the LEFT that has a NEW SCULPT, while the one on the RIGHT is the OLD ("Ed Harris/Hefner") SCULPT that has been shown for the past several months. I posted this to show that the PO'ed fig definitely has a new sculpt (i.e. is not the Ed Harris head under better lighting, or a sculpt tweak of the Ed Harris sculpt)

If you look at the wrinkles in the forehead and chin, you can clearly see the differences between the two sculpts, even though both have the smile.

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2. Both pics in this second set show the NEW SCULPT, but under radically different lighting/clarity, and a slightly different angle - the one on the left is from Secret Base (where he's looking down a bit more,) the one on the right is from the PO - but both are the same sculpt.

I posted this to help show what the new sculpt might look like in-hand without the studio lighting set-up.

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Hmm. I want to say it's different, but the comparison pictures (that TB provided) don't really provide a good juxtaposition.

The angle is indeed different as mentioned and the image on the left of the "Ed Harris sculpt" sort of washes out the sculpt of any detail due to the lighting and brightness of the photo.

However, I just noticed while typing this post that the texture pattern on the forehead does appear to be different on the two sculpts. Based on that I would now assert that it is indeed a reworked/new sculpt.

Yes I think it is a different sculpt too. Have a look on the top left photo chin cleft. On the newer picture on the top left there is a vein running down with an "s-bend". This is clearly not on the top right picture. It would also be clearly visible even with the poor lighting in the top right picture.

The "S-bend chin vein" is the evidence your honour !

Can't believe I am even discussing Chin-gate here ! The hi-res pre-order picture looks great. That is what production will be based on. Period.
 
Due to confusion (sorry...:lol) I think I need to repost my pics just to clarify what I was showing.

1. These first pics show the PO'ed figure on the LEFT that has a NEW SCULPT, while the one on the RIGHT is the OLD ("Ed Harris/Hefner") SCULPT that has been shown for the past several months. I posted this to show that the PO'ed fig definitely has a new sculpt (i.e. is not the Ed Harris head under better lighting, or a sculpt tweak of the Ed Harris sculpt)

If you look at the wrinkles in the forehead and chin, you can clearly see the differences between the two sculpts, even though both have the smile.

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2. Both pics in this second set show the NEW SCULPT, but under radically different lighting/clarity, and a slightly different angle - the one on the left is from Secret Base (where he's looking down a bit more,) the one on the right is from the PO - but both are the same sculpt.

I posted this to help show what the new sculpt might look like in-hand without the studio lighting set-up.

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Thanks for the comparisons. I think what you meant with your posts was clear from the beginning. Sometimes people just have to actually read them before commenting [emoji6] ...and yes, of course it’s an all new sculpt from the proto. That’s very clear.
 
I still see a few similarities here and there with the forehead wrinkles, so I'm guessing they took the original sculpt and just did a lot more work on it. I doubt they'd go through the trouble of starting completely from scratch.
 
I breathed a sigh of relief when the final sculpt was revealed - Hot Toys got this one so right. He isn't even crazy expensive with the throne! I'd love an "angry" alternative head sculpt, but I'll certainly be adding this to my Empire display.
 
Due to confusion (sorry...:lol) I think I need to repost my pics just to clarify what I was showing.

1. These first pics show the PO'ed figure on the LEFT that has a NEW SCULPT, while the one on the RIGHT is the OLD ("Ed Harris/Hefner") SCULPT that has been shown for the past several months. I posted this to show that the PO'ed fig definitely has a new sculpt (i.e. is not the Ed Harris head under better lighting, or a sculpt tweak of the Ed Harris sculpt)

If you look at the wrinkles in the forehead and chin, you can clearly see the differences between the two sculpts, even though both have the smile.

L1S2iBz.png


2. Both pics in this second set show the NEW SCULPT, but under radically different lighting/clarity, and a slightly different angle - the one on the left is from Secret Base (where he's looking down a bit more,) the one on the right is from the PO - but both are the same sculpt.

I posted this to help show what the new sculpt might look like in-hand without the studio lighting set-up.

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Great job Tali!

I think it looks great now and can't wait!!!!
 
I still see a few similarities here and there with the forehead wrinkles, so I'm guessing they took the original sculpt and just did a lot more work on it. I doubt they'd go through the trouble of starting completely from scratch.

Exactly. Definitely some similarities. Maybe it was as simple as listening to the fans about fixing the smiling face. This is what they seemed to have tweaked the most.

I'm good with that. Well done HT ! Listen to your customers :)
 
Due to confusion (sorry...:lol) I think I need to repost my pics just to clarify what I was showing.

1. These first pics show the PO'ed figure on the LEFT that has a NEW SCULPT, while the one on the RIGHT is the OLD ("Ed Harris/Hefner") SCULPT that has been shown for the past several months. I posted this to show that the PO'ed fig definitely has a new sculpt (i.e. is not the Ed Harris head under better lighting, or a sculpt tweak of the Ed Harris sculpt)

If you look at the wrinkles in the forehead and chin, you can clearly see the differences between the two sculpts, even though both have the smile.

L1S2iBz.png


2. Both pics in this second set show the NEW SCULPT, but under radically different lighting/clarity, and a slightly different angle - the one on the left is from Secret Base (where he's looking down a bit more,) the one on the right is from the PO - but both are the same sculpt.

I posted this to help show what the new sculpt might look like in-hand without the studio lighting set-up.

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Dude, you absolutely correct, but a lot of people won’t see it. There is no way it the same. As a sculptor myself, it’s in the details, as you say. One just has to look at the added ridges and wrinkles.

BUT

The real big changes are the smile, the angle of the nose, and the shape size of the eyes, and brow ridges....this thing was totally reworked.


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