Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince--SPOILERS!!!

[Giant Chicken]

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Back to the issue of Snape.

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I really like how Snape snuck up on Harry telling him to stay quiet. I feel that the scene showed Snape's true colors... He could have gave Harry away but he kept him safe instead.

I think the scene would be very powerful if I had not read the books... It shows Snape being good and bad. But I also feel, just like in the book, enough information was given for the viewer to figure out Snape's true side.

 

[Entropy]

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Tom gets it.

Seriously though, why are we using spoiler tags on a movie about a book that has been out for 5 years? No one felt compelled to use spoiler tags for Lord of the Rings.

I agree.

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Snape shushes Harry before he kills Dumbledore.

And I'm ok with that addition.

I didn't remember this from the book but it has been a while, if so though its inclusion in the film took away from everything you posted Tom

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The scene before they take off to the cave Snape says to Dumbledore that he asks too much and you could initially think he is referring to Potter until he tells him that Snape already agreed and he has to. Just that line alone had a lot of people in the theater saying "Its part of Dumbledore's plan, remember when..." or "Its a set up because he said..."

I remember closing the Half Blood Prince thinking the betrayal was monsterous, I didn't feel that after this. Had that scene been removed it was have been really powerful and while some people may not have remembered to those who did or are as observant as some diehard Potter fans are it waters it down a bit.

Mike gets it.

The subtext and feelings are all on point in the film as it's based on JK Rowling's solid book and story, but they misstep and refocus on the more juvenile 'B' story instead of the moodier, darker and, imo, far more interesting and engaging Snape/Draco & Dumbledore machinations 'A' story. And while individual scenes and sections work, in refocusing and cutting stuff, moving stuff around, and muting some of the darker bits, they muddy and weaken the overall product.

 

[wofford29]

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Tom gets it.

Seriously though, why are we using spoiler tags on a movie about a book that has been out for 5 years? No one felt compelled to use spoiler tags for Lord of the Rings.

Because I just stumbled upon these posts below me and haven't read all the books yet, nor seen the movies.

I agree.

Snape shushes Harry before he kills Dumbledore. And I'm ok with that addition.




Mike gets it.

The subtext and feelings are all on point in the film as it's based on JK Rowling's solid book and story, but they misstep and refocus on the more juvenile 'B' story instead of the moodier, darker and, imo, far more interesting and engaging Snape/Draco & Dumbledore machinations 'A' story. And while individual scenes and sections work, in refocusing and cutting stuff, moving stuff around, and muting some of the darker bits, they muddy and weaken the overall product.

 

[Entropy]

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I'll edit in a spoiler tag.

I was talking to a girl just the other day that wandered into a Star Wars thread and found out Vader is Luke's dad and she hasn't seen any of the movies. Be careful where you wander I suppose.

 

[JoeSweden]

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I'll edit in a spoiler tag.

I was talking to a girl just the other day that wandered into a Star Wars thread and found out Vader is Luke's dad

Nooooooooooooo!
I was staying clear of all Star Wars threads and you had to put it here!






:chew

 

[IronFingaz]

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Four and a half hours until it's my turn to see it!!!

 

[the vampire with soul]

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I'll edit in a spoiler tag.

I was talking to a girl just the other day that wandered into a Star Wars thread and found out Vader is Luke's dad and she hasn't seen any of the movies. Be careful where you wander I suppose.

Dam theres people who still don't know that

 

[CelticPredator]

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Dam theres people who still don't know that

 

[Darth Caedus]

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[tomandshell]

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I didn't remember this from the book but it has been a while, if so though its inclusion in the film took away from everything you posted Tom

Spoiler:

The scene before they take off to the cave Snape says to Dumbledore that he asks too much and you could initially think he is referring to Potter until he tells him that Snape already agreed and he has to. Just that line alone had a lot of people in the theater saying "Its part of Dumbledore's plan, remember when..." or "Its a set up because he said..."

I remember closing the Half Blood Prince thinking the betrayal was monsterous, I didn't feel that after this. Had that scene been removed it was have been really powerful and while some people may not have remembered to those who did or are as observant as some diehard Potter fans are it waters it down a bit.

I remember Harry overhearing that conversation in the book--Rowling did leave that hint for the readers. EDIT: I was wrong--Harry didn't overhear it, Hagrid overheard it and reported it to Harry. But Rowling did let us know that Dumbledore had ordered Snape to do something that he no longer wanted to do.

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Between that little conversation in the book and the way Dumbledore said please, I saw through things when I read the book the first time. I knew there was more going on than a simple betrayal, and if there were enough clues in the book, it's OK to have clues in the movie allowing people to read it either way.

 

[Jen]

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I remember Harry overhearing that conversation in the book--Rowling did leave that hint for the readers.

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Between that little conversation in the book and the way Dumbledore said please, I saw through things when I read the book the first time. I knew there was more going on than a simple betrayal, and if there were enough clues in the book, it's OK to have clues in the movie allowing people to read it either way.

I agree with you Tom....you know really after book 4 or so, I just knew that Snape was a good guy.....

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When he killed Dumbledore it just was such a heartbreaking scene...and I really felt for Snape and the position he was in....having to kill the one man who REALLY believed in him....I will say I am not looking forward to Snape's death in the next movies.....his death bummed me out after reading the books...it was not a death worthy of the man. I wanted him to go out wands blazing and letting it be known to everyone who's side he was really on.

 

[Darth Caedus]

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I agree with you Jen, I always thought that Snape's death was very lackluster. We found out in HBP, that Snape was extremely powerful and he went out without a fight. I thought at least that he would put up a fight. I really hope they have him at least fight a little bit in the film.

 

[tomandshell]

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He was always my favorite character.

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He had his own wounds and issues, but beneath it all he was dedicated and loyal--all the more impressive considering how misunderstood he was and how poorly he was treated by pretty much everyone else as a result. To see him forced to put down the one person who believed in him was sad--even though it could be seen as a sort of Kevorkian mercy killing.

I also would have liked to see Snape get a better death, although it's a little bit of a comfort to know that the truth eventually came out--and that Snape's name will live on in Harry's son.

 

[Jen]

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I agree with you Jen, I always thought that Snape's death was very lackluster. We found out in HBP, that Snape was extremely powerful and he went out without a fight. I thought at least that he would put up a fight. I really hope they have him at least fight a little bit in the film.

Me too! He's one of my favorite characters....definitely favorite over all the adult characters...

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Snape was always the hurt and bitter kid who never belonged.....even being in the OotP there were those that only trusted him because of Dumbledore...so even when he belonged to a group.....he was still on the fringes. I wanted him to get his pat on the back...I wanted him and Harry to to finally acknowledge that they understood and respected eachother ...I just for some weird reason really wanted him to be recognized....he didn't really get that in the books. Poor Snape. I'm still mad how he dies.

 

[Jen]

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I forgot about the name!!! Well that makes me feel a little better about the death....a little. But that was cool....I need to re-read that book..I'm forgetting to many small details.

 

[pixletwin]

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He was always my favorite character.

Spoiler:

He had his own wounds and issues, but beneath it all he was dedicated and loyal--all the more impressive considering how misunderstood he was and how poorly he was treated by pretty much everyone else as a result. To see him forced to put down the one person who believed in him was sad--even though it could be seen as a sort of Kevorkian mercy killing.

I also would have liked to see Snape get a better death, although it's a little bit of a comfort to know that the truth eventually came out--and that Snape's name will live on in Harry's son.

Thats exactly what i felt too.

 

[tomandshell]

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I will say that the teen romance stuff and "Who should I ask to the Christmas party?" drama was better suited for book/film four. At this point, we've already been there/done that, and there are more important things to focus on. I guess that I expected more of the Voldemort backstory in the new film than we ended up getting, but maybe they felt that would be too bleak. I guess the romantic fluff was there in the book, but it felt more balanced out by other things--things that didn't make it into the film.

 

[Buttmunch]

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I too felt Snape's death was a bit lacking. I always thought he'd die saving Harry or end up living and becoming Harry's new father figure after the truths came out. Snape didn't even try to defend himself against Voldemort/Nagini. You'd think if you're going to die it wouldn't matter if your cover was blown at that point. You might as well try right?

Luckily with the films, they have changed some things around so maybe Snape will get a better death. I mean, getting biten by a snake? Come on! I also hope we actually get to see Lupin and Tonks' deaths and not have them off screen. The Battle of Hogwarts needs to be nice, long fight. At least 30 mintues or so to do it justice. So far I've been disapointed with all of the fights except the Harry vs Voldemort in the graveyard. OotP was Ok, but too short (both the Deatheaters and especially the Voldemort one). And what happened to the fight in HBP. That pissed me off more than Gambon being Dumbledore in it.

 

[Giant Chicken]

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Continuing on Snape...

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I agree that Snape's death was weak. I would ave loved for him to reveal his true colors and die protecting Harry. But more than hating Snapes death I DID NOT like that J.K. left Snape out of the paintings in Dumbeldores office at the end.

Harry had the chance to go to the office and speak with Dumbeldore. By this point, Snape had been the headmaster and he should have had a painting after his death as well. I know it would be a major change from the book but I would like to see a goodbye/thankyou between Snape and Harry in the last film.

 

[tomandshell]

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I thought that the fate of Lupin/Tonks was even more disappointing than Snape's death. I didn't like Sirius Black's death in OotP, either--but at least he didn't die off screen! If youre going to kill off main characters, let them go out with a bang--fighting bravely and/or going out with a noble act of self sacrifice. Not slipping through a veil or getting killed off screen.