Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier (SPOILERS)

[Adolfo]

Dark Knight trilogy first, then Iron Man, then CA WS...end of story...the rest come after..no time to figure out the rest of the order

 

[Silrian]

Unfortunately his role as scarecrow is so iconic that I think he'll never get another CB gig because of it.

Also, side treading, not seeing him with the mask on at that massive tribunal in TDKR: major fail. That image of scarecrow at that fantastic massive pile of desks would've been brilliant. Nolan really wasn't on point with the details, TDKR could've definitely been the best of all three. Ugh, I've spent too much time brain storming on how much better that second act could've been. Curses threquels, freakin cursed.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

Unfortunately his role as scarecrow is so iconic that I think he'll never get another CB gig because of it.

Also, side treading, not seeing him with the mask on at that massive tribunal in TDKR: major fail. That image of scarecrow at that fantastic massive pile of desks would've been brilliant. Nolan really wasn't on point with the details, TDKR could've definitely been the best of all three. Ugh, I've spent too much time brain storming on how much better that second act could've been. Curses threquels, freakin cursed.

Maybe, but Chris Evans got cast as Cap after playing Johnny Storm. Anything is possible. I don't know who he could play.

 

[spindrift]

Last act of TWS was not up to the rest of movie. The old "save the world from helicarriers by changing chips and fighting TWS" was abit too cliched..too cookie cutter superhero movie ending for me
The first 75% was great great stuff, though.

 

[Adolfo]

CAWS was like a great James Bond flick!...

 

[Irvy]

CAWS was like a great James Bond flick!...

Wasn't he a bond villain?

 

[Silrian]

Pfffft, James Bond. They needed to ripoff the dark knight to make that franchise even remotely appealing again. (Mendes freakin admitted it.)

James Bond is for old people's nostalgia, Between Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Bourne, Batman and every other god damn franchise that has elements of spy thrillers, use of gadgetry, quirky villains and suave leads, he has no relevance left. He's not necessary nor impressive anymore in the action genre. You can't make a conspiracy thriller anymore without tackling global issues and UK just doesn't have much relevance anymore in the globalised world run by america, the middle east, russia and china (I'm from neither of those countries). I'm sure British people like it and older generations, I know my older brother still does, but honestly, apart from nostalgia that franchise has nothing interesting to offer.

Winter Soldier > any Brosnan or Craig Bond film. And the rest is too old to compare.

 

[Khev]

No relevance? Skyfall outgrossed every superhero/spy/Bourne movie in existence except for The Avengers (and has only been surpassed by IM3 since.) If it "ripped off" TDK it apparently did so to better effect than any film Nolan has ever made, including The Dark Knight.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

 

[jnmx2000]

Pfffft, James Bond. They needed to ripoff the dark knight to make that franchise even remotely appealing again. (Mendes freakin admitted it.)

James Bond is for old people's nostalgia, Between Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Bourne, Batman and every other god damn franchise that has elements of spy thrillers, use of gadgetry, quirky villains and suave leads, he has no relevance left. He's not necessary nor impressive anymore in the action genre. You can't make a conspiracy thriller anymore without tackling global issues and UK just doesn't have much relevance anymore in the globalised world run by america, the middle east, russia and china (I'm from neither of those countries). I'm sure British people like it and older generations, I know my older brother still does, but honestly, apart from nostalgia that franchise has nothing interesting to offer.

Winter Soldier > any Brosnan or Craig Bond film. And the rest is too old to compare.

and yet Skyfall made a billion dollars, only two marvel films have made more and I think one batman film made more. I think Bond is still very relevant and alot of people love the new films, me included. But Cap did feel like a pumped up Bond film and it was awesome, I believe WS will hold up for a very long time as a golden example of great comic book film making.

 

[Khev]

Also if you consider that Skyfall had no 3D upcharge then it probably sold more tickets than IM3 and might have been very close to The Avengers. I love Cap, and TWS is probably a lock for "Top 3" film for me going forward but I definitely think Bond has a secure place for modern audiences, or at least he can with the likes of Mendes and Craig involved.

 

[Niltusk]

No relevance? Skyfall outgrossed every superhero/spy/Bourne movie in existence except for The Avengers (and has only been surpassed by IM3 since.) If it "ripped off" TDK it apparently did so to better effect than any film Nolan has ever made, including The Dark Knight.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Not to mention, it wasn't sky fall that made the franchise relevant, it was revived with Casino Royale. Opinions are like *******s, but it's hard to take anyone serious who thinks this and Sky fall are popular because of nostalgia for a character.
I had zero interest in Bond pre- Casino, so much for that theory.

 

[Khev]

@Khev, okay I'd really love to hear you about the fact that both TDKR and Man of Steel are so much higher than BB or TDK.

I find that there are certain movies that don't hold up very well in discussions like the ones we have here but that completely suck me in and are still top notch entertainment in spite of any shortcomings. I just really enjoy MOS and TDKR when I'm watching them, moreso than BB and TDK.

 

[Silrian]

You're about the first one I've heard that completely gained an interest in Bond because of the craig "reboot".

There are a LOT of people who don't go to ANY comic book movies and will go to Bond. I'm not saying I want them to stop making them. But making money at the box office says very little to me about the quality of it or whether it offers anything new. Skyfall made so much because it was tdk without th guy wearing a batsuit + an entire audience group of people who will just go see every bond film.

But compared to what films like winter soldier or tdk or other modern action films do, Bond offers nothing new except him in a modern version.

It's a franchise with a very large locked audience. Casino royale didn't do exceptionally well and the only reason skyfall did was because it aped every good thing from modern revolutionary action films before it.

Homestly it's an insult imo to call winter soldier a good bond film. Unless you truly mean to refference influences of older Bond films. Because by now Bond doesn't set trends, it apes them.

And ftr I know plenty of Bond fans, who don't like the direction the craig films took, exactly because they just ape modern action films.

 

[Silrian]

Okay Khev I can get that, I just never spoke to someone who set those particular two in that same light, found it niteresting.

 

[jye4ever]

Bond sucked for a very very very very very long time before Craig.

 

[The Iron Koob]

I didn't watch Bond movies before Craig. Too cheesy.

 

[Niltusk]

I didn't watch Bond movies before Craig. Too cheesy.

Pretty much how I felt, I'd catch them if they were on, but I never followed them and I think I saw one Brosnan flick actually in the theatre.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

I didn't watch Bond movies before Craig. Too cheesy.

You've got a crimefighter in a rubber bat costume as your avatar, and you're too cool for old school Bond?

 

[GasparZizou]

Even Adam West Batman was waaay less cheesy than Brosnan's Bond

 

[Niltusk]

You like Batman, so you should be OK with spy genre cheese.

Pass for logic on this board I guess.