Hot Toys Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire) - Spider-Man: No Way Home

Chopper Face said:

TDK original undersized scale or TDK 2.0 scale? MOS oversized scale or BVS and JL scale? Maybe Arkham Knight supersized scale? Oversized male Avengers or undersized female ones?

The point is that consistency and accurately translating height is not much of a consideration. If a character is 180cm, the figure should be 30cm exactly. It's that simple. Just. make. It. 1/6. Scale.

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That can hold true for some things and not for others. For example, Wolverine scale. Do you go with comic accurate character height or Hugh Jackman height? If you say any Jackman figure must be the comic height then you are mixing two scales. I go with actor height rather than character height for actor lead movies. If I’m getting a comic accurate figure I lean towards the character height.

The answer is, it depends on the figure.

jedijim3002 said:

That can hold true for some things and not for others. For example, Wolverine scale. Do you go with comic accurate character height or Hugh Jackman height? If you say any Jackman figure must be the comic height then you are mixing two scales. I go with actor height rather than character height for actor lead movies. If I’m getting a comic accurate figure I lean towards the character height.

The answer is, it depends on the figure.

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IMO, it shouldn’t even be actor height, it should be character height in the film. MCU Tony Stark is 6 foot not 5’8” (RDJ actor height).

Why would the comic book Wolverine height come into question for Fox Jackman Wolverine?

jedijim3002 said:

That can hold true for some things and not for others. For example, Wolverine scale. Do you go with comic accurate character height or Hugh Jackman height? If you say any Jackman figure must be the comic height then you are mixing two scales. I go with actor height rather than character height for actor lead movies. If I’m getting a comic accurate figure I lean towards the character height.

The answer is, it depends on the figure.

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That’s… frankly an absurd example because it would make no sense to mix those scales- but I’ll extrapolate that you mean it’s not always entirely clear cut exactly how tall a character is when being played by someone who doesn’t reflect the established written size of said character.

But I’d also go one further with ‘If you say any Jackman figure must be the comic height’ you are wrong, especially considering the purpose of the likes of Hot Toys figures which is to accurately recreate characters in 1/6 scale.
The only thing it depends on is the size of the character as shown on screen.

Why would anyone make a 5’3” Hugh Jackman Wolverine when he is presented as 6’3” in the movies?

That’s why no one wants a 5’9” TDK Bane just because Tom Hardy is average height. I don’t want a hobbit figure that’s the height of the actor or an Aragorn that’s 6’6” like he is in the books when the movies stick to Viggo’s own height.

An inch or so discrepancy is acceptable but it’s usually very clear in the context of the movie and when surrounded by other characters and objects how large people are. The movie tells you what scale to use.

I thought OT Customs "retired"?

What happened to the dramatic post he made 'bout a month or so back?

Now he's gauging interest for a seamless neck?

AStur08 said:

I thought OT Customs "retired"?

What happened to the dramatic post he made 'bout a month or so back?

Now he's gauging interest for a seamless neck?

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I believe he quit taking pre-orders, but will only sell in stock items once hes done making them? I'm not 100% sure though

Chopper Face said:

That’s… frankly an absurd example because it would make no sense to mix those scales- but I’ll extrapolate that you mean it’s not always entirely clear cut exactly how tall a character is when being played by someone who doesn’t reflect the established written size of said character.

But I’d also go one further with ‘If you say any Jackman figure must be the comic height’ you are wrong, especially considering the purpose of the likes of Hot Toys figures which is to accurately recreate characters in 1/6 scale.
The only thing it depends on is the size of the character as shown on screen.

Why would anyone make a 5’3” Hugh Jackman Wolverine when he is presented as 6’3” in the movies?

That’s why no one wants a 5’9” TDK Bane just because Tom Hardy is average height. I don’t want a hobbit figure that’s the height of the actor or an Aragorn that’s 6’6” like he is in the books when the movies stick to Viggo’s own height.

An inch or so discrepancy is acceptable but it’s usually very clear in the context of the movie and when surrounded by other characters and objects how large people are. The movie tells you what scale to use.

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I think the point made which I think you are also now saying, is it isn’t black and white that you can convert “a height” to 1/6. I believe your first post was saying that Hot Toys should. In a perfect world, you could just apply math, but Hollywood takes artistic license to portray a character in a specific way (which is not true to the actors height) so as Hot Toys, you are also left doing that. It becomes a guessing game with some hits and some misses.

I noticed that ToysBuyingAgent lowered the price slightly and I asked them if this was because it was the new batch with the corrected masked sculpt, they said that it is so I've pulled the trigger and purchased one.

I'll post pics of the figure once it arrives in a week or two.

Uravgcollector said:

Can I join the hate train? I also hates how HT focuses on Disney so much. Yeah, ok it sells like hot cakes, but would it kill them to also make figures for some other licenses every now and then?

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Yep. Another bottom line-@$$ company.

hyperaccuracydrive said:

IMO, it shouldn’t even be actor height, it should be character height in the film. MCU Tony Stark is 6 foot not 5’8” (RDJ actor height).

Why would the comic book Wolverine height come into question for Fox Jackman Wolverine?

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We all know RDJ wears heels in the movies like Ron Disantis and he’s not 6’ in the movies. You may want to think that but it’s not the case. How then does a 6’ guy fit in a 6’5” suit? It would be rather uncomfortable don’t you think?

As far as wolverine’s height it’s completely relevant to your argument. If you are strictly going with “character height” like you said in your initial post then any Wolverine figure should be comic accurate character height. It shouldn’t matter how tall the actor is by your logic. I was just pointing out the flaw in your statement.

I don’t think that should be the case. I think it should be based on the actors height and how they appear in the movie. They didn’t do anything to make Toby look taller in the movie so the figure should remain the actor height.

Chopper Face said:

That’s… frankly an absurd example because it would make no sense to mix those scales- but I’ll extrapolate that you mean it’s not always entirely clear cut exactly how tall a character is when being played by someone who doesn’t reflect the established written size of said character.

But I’d also go one further with ‘If you say any Jackman figure must be the comic height’ you are wrong, especially considering the purpose of the likes of Hot Toys figures which is to accurately recreate characters in 1/6 scale.
The only thing it depends on is the size of the character as shown on screen.

Why would anyone make a 5’3” Hugh Jackman Wolverine when he is presented as 6’3” in the movies?

That’s why no one wants a 5’9” TDK Bane just because Tom Hardy is average height. I don’t want a hobbit figure that’s the height of the actor or an Aragorn that’s 6’6” like he is in the books when the movies stick to Viggo’s own height.

An inch or so discrepancy is acceptable but it’s usually very clear in the context of the movie and when surrounded by other characters and objects how large people are. The movie tells you what scale to use.

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Exactly. You are making my point for me. It makes no sense to mix the two scales. From hyperaccuracydrive’s statement that’s what would happen. Now I may have misunderstood what he was saying but to me it sounded like he implied all movie characters should be consistent with their comic accurate character heights and by extention the figures as well.

I wasn’t talking about intentionally changing the figure height to match the actor for characters who are on screen to a way different height like you suggested. I agree that a hobbit should have a hobbit accurate sized figure. That wasn’t my argument. I was merely pointing out the flaw in his argument with a ridiculous example. And you both agreed that was ridiculous.

HT is on a whole other level when it comes to scale accuracy.

jedijim3002 said:

From hyperaccuracydrive’s statement that’s what would happen. Now I may have misunderstood what he was saying but to me it sounded like he implied all movie characters should be consistent with their comic accurate character heights and by extention the figures as well.

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Not at all what I was saying. Comic book character height is irrelevant to what the movie character height is which may or may not align with the actor’s height that’s portraying the character. And the figure should ideally be based on that movie character height.

Even with a custom sculpt I still feel the figure isn't good enough. Blue parts totally the wrong material, won't look good in anything but a museum pose and the body proportions feel off.

sj2106 said:

Even with a custom sculpt I still feel the figure isn't good enough. Blue parts totally the wrong material, won't look good in anything but a museum pose and the body proportions feel off.

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I hope OT does something in regards to the body proportions in addition to the neck seam mod and potential lenses upgrade. Those three things will go a long wayyyy..

hyperaccuracydrive said:

Not at all what I was saying. Comic book character height is irrelevant to what the movie character height is which may or may not align with the actor’s height that’s portraying the character. And the figure should ideally be based on that movie character height.

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I agree. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

jedijim3002 said:

I agree. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

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S’all good. I’ll be more clear next time!

jedijim3002 said:

How then does a 6’ guy fit in a 6’5” suit?

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Not relevant.
If he’s six foot out of the suit then a Tony figure should represent a 6’ man and the Iron Man suit should be representative of the 6’5” it’s shown to be on screen.
That’s what’s accurate to the movie even if it makes no sense.

What I really want to know is how does any human operate the Hulkbuster suit without getting their legs snapped off in the process?

Chopper Face said:

Not relevant.
If he’s six foot out of the suit then a Tony figure should represent a 6’ man and the Iron Man suit should be representative of the 6’5” it’s shown to be on screen.
That’s what’s accurate to the movie even if it makes no sense.

What I really want to know is how does any human operate the Hulkbuster suit without getting their legs snapped off in the process?

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This applies to Iron Man the most. Anyone who collects IM should know the height is pure ********. You literally have a scene in IM3 where RDJ steps out onto a box that's hidden and then it cuts to him being a foot shorter in the next shot.

guys, has SS shipped tobey deluxe special edition yet?

Chopper Face said:

What I really want to know is how does any human operate the Hulkbuster suit without getting their legs snapped off in the process?

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YES. It just doesn't work does it. Human limbs going into the articulating points of that machine are going to get completely mangled and/or ripped off. Hulkbuster would need to be operated more like the Jaegers in Pacific Rim....and thus be bigger probably.

tumbler_s said:

guys, has SS shipped tobey deluxe special edition yet?

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sideshow hasn't shipped any Tobey yet.

I wouldn't expect Sideshow to ship this until March at the earliest... maybe even April
at this point, given the head sculpt change-out happening, not to mention Chinese NY.