1/6 Hot Toys-The Terminator (T1)-MMS 238-T-800-(Battle Damaged Version) 1/6 Scale Figure

[The Skull]

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I have only seen the entire film twice and before I read that I'd forgotten how bad it actually is. I've still never seen Salvation because of how much I hated T3 but I'm assuming I'm not missing much?

I actually like Salvation, not the best film ever but certainly an enjoyable watch, has a lot of flaws yeah but still a pretty cool film IMO.

 

[a-dev]

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While I like Titanic, I really wish Cameron didn't **** around with it until he made a third (and final) Terminator film that depicted the future war, before (or after) the events of Terminator and T2.

See 1997 - 2029. Skynet, Judgment Day, the holocaust, the extermination camps, John Connor turning the tide, meeting Reese and escaping the camps. The resistance. The Terminators. Both sides waging war. Infiltrators. Skynet's facility. The time displacement machine. Skynet losing. Skynet sending back the T-800 and T-1000. John sending back Reese and the reprogrammed T-800. Basically, everything that was cut from the first two films. All the actors wouldn't have been much older (adult Connor and Reese especially) and the film technology plus Stan Winston would have made it completely doable.

True Lies was the next film he worked on after T2 I think. And then of course Titanic. He's probably the only one who could restore some pride to this franchise and yet he won't touch it with a bargepole now.

I have only seen the entire film twice and before I read that I'd forgotten how bad it actually is. I've still never seen Salvation because of how much I hated T3 but I'm assuming I'm not missing much?

I find it better than T3 because it ditched time travel and the crappy self-parodying humour. It does have some nice sequences and the T-600s look and sound cool even though they aren't what Kyle Reese described in T1. Unfortunately its 2018 and not the 2029 that we all wanted to see and the T-800 when it eventually appears is ridiculously over the top. Marcus Wright was OK and all but the film should not have centered around this previous unknown. Aaaaand the usual plot holes aplenty like why in hell is John Connor telling everyone that Kyle Reese is his dad including Marcus who, at the time, John believes is a Skynet controlled machine? It wasn't even need-to-know information for his own people let alone the danger he puts his own existence in by throwing this information around. It also suggests that by the time T1's 2029 comes around Kyle Reese is probably the only person in the future who doesn't know. Stupid.

 

[DiFabio]

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There's only two Terminator films in my eyes, T1 and T2.

T2: 3D is a cool little amusement show that let's you "live" the world a bit. Beyond that, everything else sucks.

 

[DiFabio]

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True Lies was the next film he worked on after T2 I think. And then of course Titanic. He's probably the only one who could restore some pride to this franchise and yet he won't touch it with a bargepole now.

Yeah, I know. True Lies was already in the script production stages right after T2's release, so it would have been unrealistic to see Cameron and Carloco just jump right into another Terminator.

From '94 to '97, '98? That could have been all Terminator.

 

[karamazov80]

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Why does this thread say "Article"
Kara can you change it to "Action Figure" ??

I think that's a Dave thing, since this was on the front page. I assume it's also why, sometimes after I post, I see the first posts at the top of the page, and only the last handful at the bottom (not sure if anyone else ever sees this happening).

 

[DiFabio]

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Yeah, that happens to me every time.

 

[The Skull]

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I think that's a Dave thing, since this was on the front page. I assume it's also why, sometimes after I post, I see the first posts at the top of the page, and only the last handful at the bottom (not sure if anyone else ever sees this happening).

Yes thats What I said, everytime I post that happens and everytime I click in one of my friends in my feed who have posted in this thread I get redirected to the first page of the article. Its got to be cause its states article instead of action figure.

 

[a-dev]

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It didn't always say 'Article'. I thought it was added in to indicate to people that this figure also made a magazine appearance, an image of which was posted. However since we're done discussing that article the title could do with being changed back.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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https://downfallofterminator.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/all-that-is-wrong-with-terminator-3.html

Long read but it emphasises just how pointless and stupid T3 was (apologies if you're a fan)

It's an interesting article and I agree that T3 is not a very good film, but I still think it could be an ok movie if it didn't have the silly jokes. The idea that the sunglasses play an important part in T2 was a bit much for me, "The sunglasses symbolizes his gradual transformation - he wears the sunglasses in the beginning when he is nothing more than a killer (yeah, except he never killed anyone) with a blank mind and looses them when he's starting his journey to become more human. T-800 looses glasses to reinforce beginning of humanization of the character from the hospital scene to the end of the film." That's nice, but in reality, he was just wearing them because that's the iconic look of the character, but it's still an interesting idea. I guess if you devote enough time to analyze every scene in T1 and T2 you can find just as many mistakes. I'm watching T1 right now, and I just saw something that doesn't make sense, when terminator looks for Sarah Connor's name in the phone booth, he's using his index finger on the phonebook. He's a machine with photographic memory (probably), all he has to do is look at the page and he memorizes every name, but instead he's touching each name with his finger as he goes down the list of names, like a human would do.

 

[DiFabio]

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The thing about the sunglasses in T1 and T2 is true though.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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I agree about T1, as far the T2 glasses symbolism goes, it would've been more effective had the T800 killed those guys in bar scene, because that's what the original T800 would've done and what a terminator does in a situation like that. Still, it's good to know there's more to the glasses than just practical reasons (T1) or completing a "look" (T2). Then again, you can find symbolism in almost anything, if you look for it...except T3

 

[a-dev]

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Agreed on that point Clown Prince, the glasses 'symbolism' seemed like it was reading into something too much, I certainly don't recall hearing Cameron talk about that. I also thought the part where he went on about the T-1000's superiority over the TX was a bit repetitive and not very well written compared to the rest, like as though he wrote it last minute to a schedule. I mean its true, the T-1000 is superior to the TX but I think the guy exaggerated its capabilities somewhat to make his point.

 

[P.]

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I agree about T1, as far the T2 glasses symbolism goes, it would've been more effective had the T800 killed those guys in bar scene, because that's what the original T800 would've done and what a terminator does in a situation like that.

i think the original T-800 wouldn't enter a bar full of people at all, as he searches for clothes to get disguise, not flashes his a** to get attention.
wait, i don't just think so, i've seen it in original terminator

 

[joebizz34]

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I'm glad that they did not use that subplot of searching for the Endo in Sarah's leg. I mean the Terminator should be smart enough to know that if he just arrived in 1984 to look for her, she wouldn't have that injury yet no?

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Agreed on that point Clown Prince, the glasses 'symbolism' seemed like it was reading into something too much, I certainly don't recall hearing Cameron talk about that. I also thought the part where he went on about the T-1000's superiority over the TX was a bit repetitive and not very well written compared to the rest, like as though he wrote it last minute to a schedule. I mean its true, the T-1000 is superior to the TX but I think the guy exaggerated its capabilities somewhat to make his point.

Yeah, I understand that he doesn't like the film and I don't blame him, but at the same time he seems to criticize every single thing about the film, even things that are irrelevant to the story or the plot. The T 1000 is better, imo...and I don't think the TX is as memorable or as original as the T800 or t1000, but she wasn't that bad.

i think the original T-800 wouldn't enter a bar full of people at all, as he searches for clothes to get disguise, not flashes his a** to get attention.
wait, i don't just think so, i've seen it in original terminator

 

[P.]

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I'm glad that they did not use that subplot of searching for the Endo in Sarah's leg. I mean the Terminator should be smart enough to know that if he just arrived in 1984 to look for her, she wouldn't have that injury yet no?

no.
because he was searching for a metal addition to her broken leg. there was no way to know where she got it. Skynet had nothing, including her young image, as "everything was lost in a war". Skynet should have known about metal rod due to dissection of of Sarah's corpse (in T2 book, in that future scene, she is mentioned as deceased recently in a robot ambush).
Skynet didn't know that it was Skynet who caused its own "birth", Sarah's broken leg, John's firm character and the whole warning to Connors family about Skynet.

 

[a-dev]

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Yeah, I understand that he doesn't like the film and I don't blame him, but at the same time he seems to criticize every single thing about the film, even things that are irrelevant to the story or the plot. The T 1000 is better, imo...and I don't think the TX is as memorable or as original as the T800 or t1000, but she wasn't that bad.

He made a great demonstration throughout of how poorly John Connor was written and portrayed. I mean all this time my complaint about Stahl was just his look, he's too small and hardly authoritative in appearance - but that guy showed me how it was ****ing everything else too. Every line of dialogue, every action (or lack of), frankly it looked more like they were setting up Kate Brewster to be the resistance leader moreso than John Connor. They made him an idiot and a wimp. As the guy says more than once Edward Furlong's 10 year old Connor was a more believable future leader.

I loved the point too about Sarah Connor's weapons stash at the mausoleum. If John didn't know anything about it exactly who were those weapons for?! And why stash them in an area that's likely gonna get nuked if the war happens? How would the T-850 know anything about the stash? Some great points that I had never thought of before.

 

[a-dev]

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no.
because he was searching for a metal addition to her broken leg. there was no way to know where she got it. Skynet had nothing, including her young image, as "everything was lost in a war". Skynet should have known about metal rod due to dissection of of Sarah's corpse (in T2 book, in that future scene, she is mentioned as deceased recently in a robot ambush).
Skynet didn't know that it was Skynet who caused its own "birth", Sarah's broken leg, John's firm character and the whole warning to Connors family about Skynet.

If they had her corpse in the future, surely they could have extrapolated what her younger self would look like. Why would they be dissecting people anyway? I dunno, at first the idea seemed interesting and cool to me but I don't think it works when you think it through. Better that Skynet quite simply knows nothing more than her name and the city she was living in in 1984.

 

[P.]

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If they had her corpse in the future, surely they could have extrapolated what her younger self would like.

aging software was lost in a war?
checked how exactly it was described in the book. Reese explains to Silberman why the terminator was cutting victim's legs: skynet didn't have complete dossiers, not even a face or age, but had a name, a city and medical records.
i cannot quote that part as i have it in russian only, didn't manage to find original variant.

 

[DiFabio]

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If they had her corpse in the future, surely they could have extrapolated what her younger self would like. Why would they be dissecting people anyway? I dunno, at first the idea seemed interesting and cool to me but I don't think it works when you think it through. Better that Skynet quite simply knows nothing more than her name and the city she was living in in 1984.

Can't tell what she could look like if her face and body are completely obliterated from those camps.

She was going to live in the 2020s until the infiltration raid. I don't see how that wound and her name would be stupid or far fetched. It would add a certain mystery to the present scenes and add to the mystique of the "phone book killer". I always thought it would have been a cool touch and really add to the idea of the Terminator being this systematic killing machine. Plus who wouldn't want to see him using a knife?