Sideshow ESB/ROTJ Darth Vader

[Khev]

Wow... I think some of you missed the point of the reveal.

He was supposed to be frail and vulnerable and wasted away. I found it fascinating and affecting when I was 9 years old.

"Disagreeing with George's choice to make him frail and vulnerable" /= "missing the point."

 

[Darth Waller]

Wow... I think some of you missed the point of the reveal.

He was supposed to be frail and vulnerable and wasted away. I found it fascinating and affecting when I was 9 years old.

It made me cry the first time I saw it. I was 15.

 

[pixletwin]

"Disagreeing with George's choice to make him frail and vulnerable" /= "missing the point."

Sure it does.

The symbolism of the infallible father finally revealing his vulnerable nature to the son was the whole point of Lucas' fascination with Joseph Campbell's ideas on mythology. That was the point. How would you choose to make a 60-ish year old cyborg man who has been kept a live on life support for almost his entire adult life. Do tell.

 

[Khev]

Sure it does.

No. It doesn't.

 

[galactiboy]

The reveal of Vader never bothered me... he was fundamentally different from the end of ESB to when he brought Luke to the Emperor and ultimately sacrificed him to save Luke.

In ESB I imagine he'd have looked more like the 1:1 bust, but by the end of ROTJ he was changed.

 

[pixletwin]

No. It doesn't.

What an insightful and persuasive response.

 

[FLOSI]

Sure it does.

The symbolism of the infallible father finally revealing his vulnerable nature to the son was the whole point of Lucas' fascination with Joseph Campbell's ideas on mythology. That was the point. How would you choose to make a 60-ish year old cyborg man who has been kept a live on life support for almost his entire adult life. Do tell.

Hey, look at the big brains on Marc! Love that you're brining JC into it. The Campbell influence is what really makes the OT resonate with so many of us. It's the hero's journey that makes the films timeless.

 

[FLOSI]

BTW, you guys are dorks.

 

[Darth Waller]

BTW, you guys are dorks.

 

[pixletwin]

 

[FLOSI]

 

[Khev]

CLASSIC!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Wow... I think some of you missed the point of the reveal.

He was supposed to be frail and vulnerable and wasted away. I found it fascinating and affecting when I was 9 years old.

This is true. Like the man behind the curtain, Vader was not this 'monster' behind the mask -- the mask WAS the monster. He was simply human, trapped and twisted by "the machine".

Besides, Lucas really wanted a "you ain't so bad, muther ****er" moment.

 

[lerath666]

Wow... I think some of you missed the point of the reveal.

He was supposed to be frail and vulnerable and wasted away. I found it fascinating and affecting when I was 9 years old.

YUP.

It's ok if you don't agree with it.


Though, IF you disagree with/ don't get the depth of the storytelling, there ARE other films that might be right up your alley...

 

[lerath666]

...granted... there ARE other interpretations....


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0VZj-85E5o[/ame]

 

[Khev]

Let me guess, anyone who didn't like the prequels also didn't get them. The Jedi were SUPPOSED to be wooden and stupid and uninteresting and die like incompetent idiots to show how much things needed to change. Right?

Anakin being weak and whiny and a murderer of defenseless children was all part of the Joseph Campbell hero myth. Clearly there could have been no other way to tell such a story...

Sometimes you just have to tell a story badly to get it right. Right guys?

If only Tolkien had understood this and made Isildur bald and fat and pathetic when he died.

 

[pixletwin]

Let me guess, anyone who didn't like the prequels also didn't get them. The Jedi were SUPPOSED to be wooden and stupid and uninteresting and die like incompetent idiots to show how much things needed to change. Right?

Anakin being weak and whiny and a murderer of defenseless children was all part of the Joseph Campbell hero myth. Clearly there could have been no other way to tell such a story...

Sometimes you just have to tell a story badly to get it right. Right guys?

Uhhhhh.... Who ever said that? When you can't present a thoughtful answer, don't condescend to a fantastical answer based on your own speculative assumptions.

There.

 

[Darthrazz]

Let me guess, anyone who didn't like the prequels also didn't get them. The Jedi were SUPPOSED to be wooden and stupid and uninteresting and die like incompetent idiots to show how much things needed to change. Right?

Anakin being weak and whiny and a murderer of defenseless children was all part of the Joseph Campbell hero myth. Clearly there could have been no other way to tell such a story...

Sometimes you just have to tell a story badly to get it right. Right guys?

I think Anakin should have been played by a hulking 6 foot six actor and been a unstoppable bad ***, a guy that you were happy was on your side. Then when he turns your are like Oh oh! We're in trouble. He should have destroyed half the droids in Genosis all by himself. They should have shown him doing unbelievable things that left the other Jedi in awe. That way you knew he was the chosen one, not that midichlorian crap!

 

[Khev]

Uhhhhh.... Who ever said that? When you can't present a thoughtful answer, don't condescend to a fantastical answer based on your own speculative assumptions.

There.

It was no more fantastical than your original supposition.

I think Anakin should have been played by a hulking 6 foot six actor and been a unstoppable bad ***, a guy that you were happy was on your side. Then when he turns your are like Oh oh! We're in trouble. He should have destroyed half the droids in Genosis all by himself. They should have shown him doing unbelievable things that left the other Jedi in awe. That way you knew he was the chosen one, not that midichlorian crap!

Agreed. Anakin should have been Saul to Luke's David with the Death Star already set up as the Goliath of the first film. Instead Anakin was simply presented as a more effeminate David. Some legend.

 

[pixletwin]

It was no more fantastical than your original supposition.

Not not really. My impressions as a child of how things went down in RotJ are backed by the accounts of those who were creatively responsible for RotJ. Don't hate me because I was a more perceptive child than you.