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According to Gary Kurtz the "other" was definitely always to be a twin sister of Luke who was also being trained as a Jedi. The "Vader plus ghosts" thing from story meetings was only after it was decided that Luke's sister wouldn't have any special skills and would just be Leia.

Kurtz told IGN what the original outline for ROTJ was to be. If only....

KURTZ: "Much, much less. [Return of the Jedi] would have been quite sad, and poignant and upbeat at the same time, because they would have won a battle. But the idea of another attack on another Death Star wasn't there at all ... it was a rehash of Star Wars, with better visual effects. And there were no Ewoks ... it was just entirely different. It was much more adult and straightforward, the story. This idea that the roller-coaster ride was all the audience was interested in, and the story doesn't have to be very adult or interesting, seemed to come up because of what happened with Raiders of the Lost Ark and the Indiana Jones films – and the fact that that seemed to make a lot of money and it didn't matter whether there was a really good story or not – that wasn't what this kind of film was about. We had serious differences about a lot of that."

https://movies.ign.com/articles/376/376873p4.html

Great I get it. With respect to Mr. Kurtz, I've seen and read this all before. He's long on what it shouldn't have been but short on what he thinks it should be. Kinda "Monday Morning Quarterback" IMO. GL's long been on record that ROTJ was meant to be fairytellish and it's purpose was to "tie-up" all the loose ends, not to be a repeat cliffhanger. Agree or disagree with this approach, this movie was meant to have closure and a happy ending.
 
Has a thread ever won the oscars?

If not, can this one be the first. :lol

Hands down the funniest reading.

Only thing missing are lulz cats.

One thing I will say though, on both sides of the arguments there were some really valid points made so congrats on your smarts, that's the main reason I love this forum anyways, the smart, yet funny, back and forth.

Ahhh, the smell of Freedom is in the air.
 
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Only thing missing are lulz cats.

lolcat-vader.jpg
 
And you are at the opposite end of the spectrum and come off as hyper-critical. You and Josh make a good couple.

Hey, that's a fair & cool observation. I can totally go with that, and it doesn't hurt my feelings in the least.

So, essentially peeps like me & Josh combine to bring balance to the Force. :rock

And with that this thread has now come full circle. :hi5:

Oh, and Khev... Kurtz is "mis-remembering" some of that stuff. I'm gonna have to go with the dated documents that I read with my own eyes (which is the only way one can as they're not allowed to leave the Archives... along with lots of other treasures... and photography or photocopying is met with a fate worse than Captain Antilles).

Of course, this was 7-8 years ago, and I'm getting old myself... :lol
 
Oh, and Khev... Kurtz is "mis-remembering" some of that stuff. I'm gonna have to go with the dated documents that I read with my own eyes (which is the only way one cam as they're not allowed to leave the Archives... along with lots of other treasures... and photography or photocopying is met with a fate worse than Captain Antilles).

Nice! :hi5:
 
So leaving off a great documentary is improv now?

I know ADD is a b$%ch an all, so I'll paint a picture for you.

Originally Posted by Deak Starkiller
Watch From Star Wars to Jedi (awesome btw), GL actually states that Leia being Luke's sister didn't come up until JEDI. "I don't know, I'm making this up as I go."


That's the one documentary he's not giving us on the BD set.:mad:"



Thats the beauty of "improv".

Every artist does it.

Do we flame Miles Davis or his memory for not planning every note?



That's what I was referring to;)
 
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Oh, and Khev... Kurtz is "mis-remembering" some of that stuff. I'm gonna have to go with the dated documents that I read with my own eyes (which is the only way one can as they're not allowed to leave the Archives... along with lots of other treasures... and photography or photocopying is met with a fate worse than Captain Antilles).

I call....ah ahh aahhh BULL____!!!
Whew, sorry bout that. Bless myself. Let me wipe.
 
I'm not going to try this SW blu-ray, you try it.

I'm not going to try it either, you try it.

Hey, let's get Joshy, he won't watch it, he hates everything!

He likes it, hey Joshy!

:lol
 
I know ADD is a b$%ch an all, so I'll paint a picture for you.

Originally Posted by Deak Starkiller
Watch From Star Wars to Jedi (awesome btw), GL actually states that Leia being Luke's sister didn't come up until JEDI. "I don't know, I'm making this up as I go."


That's the one documentary he's not giving us on the BD set.:mad:"

:waveThat's what I was referring to.

If you're calling something improv, then you need to quote the post about George making it up as he goes and not quote someone complaining about leaving off a documentary. Otherwise it just makes no sense. :dunno
 
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