The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*

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Re: The Official "The Hobbit" movie thread

Someone correct me if i'm wrong. But Saruman for the white council and Legolas for ____s and giggles.
 
Re: The Official "The Hobbit" movie thread

Someone correct me if i'm wrong. But Saruman for the white council and Legolas for ____s and giggles.

Ok, now I knew Radagast was supposed to be in it too, so the White Council meets at some point? Galadriel formed the White Council, correct? Maybe that's where she comes in... I wonder if there's any cross over with the Necromancer (Sauron) in Mirkwood?
 
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No i think he means that they'll do something where we go 'Wo! That's not supposed to happen! That wasn't in the books!' in a sort of Frodo sending Sam away way...

I mean as they're about to enter Shelob's lair.

Ah yes. I agree. Easily one of the worst, if not the worst scene in the Trilogy.
 
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As much as I love Christopher Lee, Saruman was not in The Hobbit. If they weave him in like they do Galadriel and Legolas, then perhaps he can still star in at least one of the movies. However, if they stick to the book, he would not be in the film.

Saruman was part of the White Council.

Ok, now I knew Radagast was supposed to be in it too, so the White Council meets at some point? Galadriel formed the White Council, correct? Maybe that's where she comes in... I wonder if there's any cross over with the Necromancer (Sauron) in Mirkwood?

Yes.


The Second White Council first met in T.A. 2463 to counter the growing threat from Dol Guldur*. Gandalf travelled through Southern Mirkwood in T.A. 2850, and had learned of the identity of the Necromancer, who ruled over Dol Guldur. In T.A. 2851 the White Council met to decide whether to act on Gandalf's discovery, but Saruman dissuaded the others.
When he realized that the One Ring was possibly still in the area of the Gladden Fields and that Sauron was actively seeking it, Saruman relented and in T.A. 2941 Sauron was driven out of Dol Guldur, only to re-appear in Mordor, long prepared for him. This White Council meeting, of late summer T.A. 2941, was also the reason that Gandalf was unable to accompany Bilbo Baggins and the dwarves on a portion of their trip to the Lonely Mountain, in The Hobbit.


In a May 2008 joint online interview, producer Peter Jackson and director Guillermo del Toro said that the White Council might appear in their two-movie adaptation of The Hobbit, tentatively set for release in 2011-12.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Council



* Dol Goldur was Sauron's stronghold in Mirkwood
 
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:lol I think we need to set up a sticky thread saying WHY SARUMAN, GALADRIEL ETC ARE GOING TO BE IN THE HOBBIT so we don't get the question every other page!
 
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:lol I think we need to set up a sticky thread saying WHY SARUMAN, GALADRIEL ETC ARE GOING TO BE IN THE HOBBIT so we don't get the question every other page!

Support literacy and just tell people to read back a few pages? If they say "no," ____ 'em. :huh
 
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Well, that's not quite what i said, it was meant with humour, and i wouldn't call this board a literary dream ;) Thanks for the nice reply though! :wave
 
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Nam was just suggesting a better idea. :monkey5
 
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Nam was just suggesting a better idea. :monkey5

In your opinion! :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl


The White Council is good as a LOTR story filler, but isn't it more about Sarumans background and how he has already turned to seeking the ring for himself? I don't think it adds much to the Hobbit tale :dunno
 
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As a film project, The Hobbit will be a prequel to LOTR (released after, but taking place before). However, it was not written that way--Tolkien didn't follow up LOTR with the Hobbit as a way to go back and explain the back story he left out. Other than the discovery of the Ring (and Sting and Glamdring), there is very little that connect the story of The Hobbit to the "trilogy." However, the film audience will be watching The Hobbit with information about future events that wasn't available to readers of the original book, because Tolkien hadn't invented it yet. (There are even discrepancies like talking wargs.)

I think they are going to try and come up with as much material as possible to make this a functional prequel that provides backstory and leads up and ties in to LOTR, because without that it's pretty much an entirely separate adventure that takes place in an (almost) entirely different part of Middle Earth. I am expecting a certain level of "Oh yeah, Anakin made C-3PO" moments forced into the project just to connect it to LOTR in ways that weren't originally intended--because it simply wasn't written yet. Pretty much the only "important" thing that happens is that Bilbo finds the One Ring--in terms of setting up LOTR.

People unfamiliar with the story are going to want to see more events setting up the trilogy, and that's why they are going to pull concurrent events from the appendices--to pad the two films and link them to the original trilogy. I think they will do it far more successfully and with greater restraint than Lucas showed in the prequels, but I still expect them to link The Hobbit to LOTR in a lot more ways than you find in the pages of the book itself.
 
Re: The Official "The Hobbit" movie thread

As a film project, The Hobbit will be a prequel to LOTR (released after, but taking place before). However, it was not written that way--Tolkien didn't follow up LOTR with the Hobbit as a way to go back and explain the back story he left out. Other than the discovery of the Ring (and Sting and Glamdring), there is very little that connect the story of The Hobbit to the "trilogy." However, the film audience will be watching The Hobbit with information about future events that wasn't available to readers of the original book, because Tolkien hadn't invented it yet. (There are even discrepancies like talking wargs.)

I think they are going to try and come up with as much material as possible to make this a functional prequel that provides backstory and leads up and ties in to LOTR, because without that it's pretty much an entirely separate adventure that takes place in an (almost) entirely different part of Middle Earth. I am expecting a certain level of "Oh yeah, Anakin made C-3PO" moments forced into the project just to connect it to LOTR in ways that weren't originally intended--because it simply wasn't written yet. Pretty much the only "important" thing that happens is that Bilbo finds the One Ring--in terms of setting up LOTR.

People unfamiliar with the story are going to want to see more events setting up the trilogy, and that's why they are going to pull concurrent events from the appendices--to pad the two films and link them to the original trilogy. I think they will do it far more successfully and with greater restraint than Lucas showed in the prequels, but I still expect them to link The Hobbit to LOTR in a lot more ways than you find in the pages of the book itself.

:goodpost::exactly:
 
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In regards to Saruman and Chris Lee....i can see him being cast again,but only with bluescreen work.His passion for the novels,as quoted by himself in the behind the scenes dvds,would be a must have for The Hobbit White Council scenes...as it would surely be only a small scene or various small scenes throughout if PJ wrote it,he would be in it for sure...
Orlando Bloom-Legolas is not mentioned in The Hobbit,but you could see him being the Prince of Mirkwood,but again,it would only be a cameo and no doubts in the Battle of the 5 Armies...I know this may be off topic,but Miranda Kerr is expecting soon,and i have no idea whether she wishes the baby born in Aus or USA,but if it was to be AUS..that would put in around the time of shooting for The Hobbit if Orlando were to join the cast...theonering.net lately has posted a ????? for Orlando on the cast...so shall wait and see on that one.
It is all becoming very exciting and i cannot wait til we see production pics and the awesome pre production drawings!!!
 
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I'm hoping that this won't be a "functional prequel" but a new story set in the same land, with the same visual style. I don't need false connections to LotR. I just want to spend more time in Middle Earth.
 
Re: The Official "The Hobbit" movie thread

As a film project, The Hobbit will be a prequel to LOTR (released after, but taking place before). However, it was not written that way--Tolkien didn't follow up LOTR with the Hobbit as a way to go back and explain the back story he left out. Other than the discovery of the Ring (and Sting and Glamdring), there is very little that connect the story of The Hobbit to the "trilogy." However, the film audience will be watching The Hobbit with information about future events that wasn't available to readers of the original book, because Tolkien hadn't invented it yet. (There are even discrepancies like talking wargs.)

I think they are going to try and come up with as much material as possible to make this a functional prequel that provides backstory and leads up and ties in to LOTR, because without that it's pretty much an entirely separate adventure that takes place in an (almost) entirely different part of Middle Earth. I am expecting a certain level of "Oh yeah, Anakin made C-3PO" moments forced into the project just to connect it to LOTR in ways that weren't originally intended--because it simply wasn't written yet. Pretty much the only "important" thing that happens is that Bilbo finds the One Ring--in terms of setting up LOTR.

People unfamiliar with the story are going to want to see more events setting up the trilogy, and that's why they are going to pull concurrent events from the appendices--to pad the two films and link them to the original trilogy. I think they will do it far more successfully and with greater restraint than Lucas showed in the prequels, but I still expect them to link The Hobbit to LOTR in a lot more ways than you find in the pages of the book itself.

Well to be fair he did go back and edit in a few new things in The Hobbit years and years after it was published so that it would mesh better with the LOTR book he was writing.

Otherwise I do expect things to link up to a reasonable point. But I don't expect it to link so literally that it will end with Aragorn tracking Gollum or something fanwanky like that.

Just my opinion, of course. :lol
 
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All bets are off with regards to the 2nd movie. If they want to show Aragorn tracking Gollum, there's nothing written anywhere that PJ can't do that. As far as the timespan of what the 2nd movie covers, it's fairly open. If they keep The Hobbit storyline pristine, and do all the LOTR nods using the 2nd film, then who's to say this can't be a fanwanker film! Let's give PJ the latitude he needs to tie The Hobbit to LOTR using the 2nd film, folks.
 
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Let's give PJ the latitude he needs to tie The Hobbit to LOTR using the 2nd film, folks.

:lol:lol:lol

I hardly think PJ cares about how much "latitude" we do or don't give him. :wave

But I agree. IN PJ's hands whatever he decides I have faith that it will be in the movie's best interests.
 
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