Ringwraith PF confirmed

[Fritz]

What are you rolling you eyes at? My opinion that I don't think a Sam and Bill PF would sell well or my factual statement that the Weta stuff didn't sell well in the beginning or the fact that I love my Weta Sam and Bill Statue?

I would say the popularity has grown though considering what the WETA goes for nowadays.

Hmm, you may be right about that. But I still don't think a Sam and Bill would sell that well in PF form even though I would 100% buy it.

 

[Fozzy]

I'd buy a Samwise PF, I'd be all over it, My Fave character

 

[WrathofSauron]

Doing a statue of Sam and Bill as Weta did was an original idea and that's why it's valued so much. Weta used THEIR imagination so Sideshow should use THEIRS and come up with something original that hasn't been done yet.

That doesn't make sense to me Frodoeyes as a)I don't know what's original about Sam and Bill, it's a statue like any other Weta did at the time, no better no worse, b) how did they use THEIR imagination?, yes its a great statue but its a hobbit standing beside a horse????? that's all they did in the movie, no imagination required If they had Sam riding Bill bareback in a tutu yeah maybe thats imagination, my point is that if SS decided to do this pair again there's not a lot they can do with a pose etc different to the Weta one as all Sam did was walk alongside Bill who was weighed down with stuff! I think SS bring as much of THEIR imagination as is needed to the sculpts they do as Weta did but at the end of the day, you only have your subject and their role in the movie to work with really?

 

[Seaward]

In understand the concern that a PF that is too similar to the SSW statue may diminish either piece, and for collectors that still have their LOTR SSW collections, it would be nice to have a new representation of these characters.

I think the PF line though is more iconic in the posing and styling of the characters, and so we might see some very similar offerings.

Bill would help add value to the Sam PF, as a lot of collectors complained about the small size of Frodo as a lack of value.

I would like to see new ideas too with the PF line, but some things are quite limited in the choices, for example, almost all of my statues are right handed!!!

I hope that the a standing Ringwraith PF has the menace and creep factor of having a sword drawn, but I would be happy as well if we got to see a horse and rider similar to that of SSW's. Nothing will take away from that original piece, but the larger scale and mixed media for the PF offer some nice differences even if much of the posing or costuming is similar.

 

[woodsy]

I doubt very much we'll see a Sam and Bill PF. If you go back to the Weta days, it wasn't a very good seller (then again, nothing really was in the beginning).

*hugs Weta Sam & Bill Statue*

You could be right Frank, SS may opt to never do a Bill and Sam. But that's the thing about SS, just when you think you have them figured out...they throw us a curveball. The one thing we do know for sure is SS is going to produce some horse and rider PF's, so who really knows for sure? I guess time will tell......

That doesn't make sense to me Frodoeyes as a)I don't know what's original about Sam and Bill, it's a statue like any other Weta did at the time, no better no worse, b) how did they use THEIR imagination?, yes its a great statue but its a hobbit standing beside a horse????? that's all they did in the movie, no imagination required If they had Sam riding Bill bareback in a tutu yeah maybe thats imagination, my point is that if SS decided to do this pair again there's not a lot they can do with a pose etc different to the Weta one as all Sam did was walk alongside Bill who was weighed down with stuff! I think SS bring as much of THEIR imagination as is needed to the sculpts they do as Weta did but at the end of the day, you only have your subject and their role in the movie to work with really?

Very true Alan. There is only so much SS can do with a character while remaining accurate to the movies and/or a specific movie scene. It seems to me there isn't that much difference between SS's Aragorn and Legolas PF's and SSW corresponding statues yet I don't recall anyone questioning SS's imagination with these two. Personally, I don't think it matters to collectors one bit [at least it doesn't matter to me] whether SS's PF's resemble SSW's statues as long as the execution of the PF's is there.
And certainly in the cases of Aragorn and Legolas the execution is there. Not only are the likenesses of these two the best we've ever gotten, but with a simple glance we know exactly which scenes are being portrayed here. As long as that trend continues, I for one couldn't care less about any preceived lack of imagination.

 

[FrodoEyes]

Lol, i see Woodsy's let his pet out again

 

[FrodoEyes]

That doesn't make sense to me Frodoeyes as a)I don't know what's original about Sam and Bill, it's a statue like any other Weta did at the time, no better no worse, b) how did they use THEIR imagination?, yes its a great statue but its a hobbit standing beside a horse????? that's all they did in the movie, no imagination required If they had Sam riding Bill bareback in a tutu yeah maybe thats imagination, my point is that if SS decided to do this pair again there's not a lot they can do with a pose etc different to the Weta one as all Sam did was walk alongside Bill who was weighed down with stuff! I think SS bring as much of THEIR imagination as is needed to the sculpts they do as Weta did but at the end of the day, you only have your subject and their role in the movie to work with really?

Yes, as you say there's not much imagination required in a Sam and Bill piece. My point was that if you had heard Weta would be bringing out a Sam statue, you wouldn't immediately think he would be with Bill.
I agree Sideshow bring as much of their imagination as is needed to the sculpts aswell, i'm not disputing that, because they haven't done a Sam and Bill PF (And won't ).
That's why personally i'd like Sideshow to try something that hasn't been done before, like i said earlier a Sam PF of when he's fighting Shelob with Sting and holding the phial, which could have a nice light-up feature, if you like that sort of thing

 

[FrodoEyes]

It seems to me there isn't that much difference between SS's Aragorn and Legolas PF's and SSW corresponding statues yet I don't recall anyone questioning SS's imagination with these two.

You've missed my point there Woods, it's hard to compare Sam and Bill with Aragorn and Legolas because Sam comes with a pony.... Aragorn holding a sword or Legolas holding a bow and arrow are how we imagine their characters, they're important and iconic images. Bill isn't essential to who Sam is or how we see him as he's only with the Fellowship from Rivendell to Moria. When i think about Sam, i think about him fighting Shelob, or helping his master, not feeding a pony

 

[WrathofSauron]

I don't see a Sam and Bill PF myself and personally don't want one but I do think a Sam PF to go with the Frodo one preferably in the fighting Shelob pose would work well

 

[Seaward]

FrodoEyes,

I always think of Sam carrying Frodo at the end of the ROTK, but that might be too tough to make as a PF. The emotional impact of that scene still packs a wallop!

What would be the most iconic ringwraith look for folks?

just trying to get this thread back on course a little!

 

[woodsy]

Personally, I don't have a problem with Sam PF without Bill. Either way, if the likeness is there I'll buy it. I actually think of the three remaining Hobbits, Sam is the only character strong enough to be done solo. Though I do think he and Bill would make for a very good PF...and one that would be quite successful.
I do love the idea of Sam and Shelob, but at 1/4 scale I just can't ever see Shelob being made.

 

[The Ringer]

Give me the Pony!

 

[Fritz]

Regarding a Sam and Bill PF, someone should "Ask Sideshow".

 

[The Ringer]

Regarding a Sam and Bill PF, someone should "Ask Sideshow".

I did that last night.

 

[Bullseye]

No interest in a Sam & Bill. A Sam PF sure.

 

[WrathofSauron]

Give me the Pony!

Doesn't that mean something else or am I sliding into a depraved state of mind again...........

And NO! you're not getting him!!

 

[FrodoEyes]

I do love the idea of Sam and Shelob, but at 1/4 scale I just can't ever see Shelob being made.

Oh, i didn't mean for Shelob to be included aswell, although that would make one hell of an exclusive! A diorama would be nice. A good action scene that's true to the movies and the books.

FrodoEyes,

I always think of Sam carrying Frodo at the end of the ROTK, but that might be too tough to make as a PF. The emotional impact of that scene still packs a wallop!

What would be the most iconic ringwraith look for folks?

just trying to get this thread back on course a little!

Did you get the Sam carrying Frodo up Mount Doom diorama?

Ringwraith pose....hmm..... just standing with a sword raised infront of the head could look good, or from the scene in the Prancing Pony when they gather around the beds they think the hobbits are in.
Or the Witch King at Weathertop when he moves forwards, sword drawn, towards Frodo, although that was done in the diorama!

 

[The Ringer]

Doesn't that mean something else or am I sliding into a depraved state of mind again...........

And NO! you're not getting him!!

 

[woodsy]

Oh, i didn't mean for Shelob to be included aswell, although that would make one hell of an exclusive! A diorama would be nice. A good action scene that's true to the movies and the books.

Agreed. A dio. of Sam and Shelob would be fantastic.

 

[DaveMac]

**Ringwraith pose**

I always found the fact that Wraiths resort to 'sniffing' out their prey, getting close to the ground and even crawling on it, very creepy! So a low crouching Wraith would be a good pose for me, but I'm sure it will be a standard, upright, sword bearing figure!