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She definitely has serious chops but also (not uncommon for any actor) a specific range. I have issues with the casting in this film but it is what it is.
Dune Part Two (October 20th, 2023)
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jye4ever
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Naked I would agree.
I was really hoping for this exchange before Paul and Feyd fought:
Emperor: "Chani. Chani Desert Spring. You're fired. And Paul Atreides? Why are you dressed up like Muad'Dib?"
Chani: "Because he is Muad'Dib you moron."
Emperor: "Was."
*BLAM*
Hah, as if any SW media would ever have the cojones to show anything as intense as an eight armed spiderhuman.
jye4ever
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Rebel Moon said hold my beer lol
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I was looking forward to that spider fight in RM so much what a let down lol
I hope the R cut fixes that fight.
I hope the R cut fixes that fight.
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Only 44% drop! Under 45 no less!
Super rare club right there.
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I’ve really tried to like these movies but something about them just doesn’t quite click.
I feel like the movies intentionally leave out details or things about characters and act like the viewer should just know the lore of the world of Dune.
Maybe that works for fanatics of the books but as someone just casually watching a lot of it has me going: “huh?”.
I liked the first hour or so of the movie with Paul and the Fremen. After it cuts to the stuff with the Harkonnen I kind of started to care less. Then we go back to Paul but he drinks the water of life and becomes the messiah and kind of turns into an unlikable character. I don’t know.
I’m sure people will say I don’t get it and you’re right- I really don’t. I want to like these movies but.. meh.
I feel like the movies intentionally leave out details or things about characters and act like the viewer should just know the lore of the world of Dune.
Maybe that works for fanatics of the books but as someone just casually watching a lot of it has me going: “huh?”.
I liked the first hour or so of the movie with Paul and the Fremen. After it cuts to the stuff with the Harkonnen I kind of started to care less. Then we go back to Paul but he drinks the water of life and becomes the messiah and kind of turns into an unlikable character. I don’t know.
I’m sure people will say I don’t get it and you’re right- I really don’t. I want to like these movies but.. meh.
jye4ever
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It’s ok Mike you just don’t get it I guess.
You really, really kind of have to be into the lore to care about Dune. If you're not familiar with the books you're going to have a really hard time, although our current version is a lot more newbie-friendly than the 1980s Dune. I'm not being an elitist here, its just a super-complicated universe to enter.
And this version is glossing over LOTS of stuff, I mean tons. I think that was a failing of the 1980s version, they tried so hard to explain everything and you just can't! Its way too much for one sitting.
I am going to see part 2 tomorrow because I want to see it in the theatre. I am going alone, because my husband does not know one single thing about the Dune universe and otherwise I will have to hear 3 hours of sotto voce complaints and questions. Today I heard -way- too much complaining about ornithopter engineering and I'm just thinking MY HUSBAND, SHUT THE **** UP I AM WATCHING THIS MOVIE. Just say to yourself its just a show, I should really just relax!
Complaints about Chalamet's perceived girly-ness, complains about how visually dark the film was, complaints about too many explosions or boringness or you pick the subject! UGH!
Aiming that at him, not you - but its okay to not like this. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
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Dune 2 in a dolby cinema is off the charts insane.
You know those gimmicky 4D theaters where the seats rumble.
Zimmer made my non motorized seat rumble in that Dolby theater.
Insane, it made the movie even better!
You know those gimmicky 4D theaters where the seats rumble.
Zimmer made my non motorized seat rumble in that Dolby theater.
Insane, it made the movie even better!
Nah. That was just the guy at the end of the row having fun with the sandworm popcorn bucket.
Okay apparently if your auditorium features a curved screen you don't want to be sitting on the end. 
Okay apparently if your auditorium features a curved screen you don't want to be sitting on the end.
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That's Chad-ni.
Chinni.
or The Rock.
or The Rock.
I think I read that it was an example of the Harkonnen's depravity and brutal monstrosity.
My guess it was used as a clever device as opposed to all of the nasty practices the Harkonnens exuded from the 80's version all rolled up into one.
The fact that it understood what the Bene Gesserit witch said...is a sign that it was a genetic horror that was once a sentient human
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Pretty handy screen writing trick - Change the POV. Instead of Paul, imagine the story revolving around Chani, then assess if her character's actions and reactions make sense. ( The reactions are more critical for writers) If they don't, odds are the character doesn't have self agency. Meaning the character has no purpose on their own, no real motives, no pragmatism within the world building, to create practical suspension of disbelief. A good example of this is Last King Of Scotland. Where the ending gets a bizarre twist to get the protagonist out of an impossible situation. David Oyelowo just says and does something that makes no sense within the scope of the rest of the film. If you change the film into Oyelowo's perspective, rather than James McAvoy's perspective, it all falls apart.
My take is Chani in Dune 2 is written as such because it's meant to highlight the changes in Paul's character throughout the film through her reactions. It's much more complex and time consuming to try to show changes with Paul from his POV. In general, when you have a character with no personal agency, the first question you ask yourself is if you can consolidate them with other characters. For example if you consolidate Chani and Stilgar, you make it much more economical to show why the Fremen fighting force would align with Paul. But you can't blend the characters because Dune is so beloved for decades and has a hard core legacy fanbase that demands adherence to canon.
Zendaya can only play herself. Which is fine for Spiderman, but she's out of her depth here. She can't elevate the material. In effect, she's like Demi Moore in A Few Good Men ( You could literally write Moore out of that movie and barely anything would change. No personal agency) Obviously, this is regarding movie Chani and not book Chani, as the novel version is much more involved and there's room for more nuance.
Probably doesn't help that Zendaya and Chalamet have zero chemistry together. Well neither did Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner in Arrival, but in that case, it actually fit the characters and the story. Here it's just rough casting IMHO. I agree with you, the Chani character doesn't really help anything at all here. But again, this is one of many reasons why so many high profile directors, producers and writers avoided Dune for decades. This is a tough mountain to climb. Just some thoughts.
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*cracks knuckles* Ok here we go.
In Dune 1, we had a very interesting buffet laid out before us - but in Dune 2, we finally sit down and really begin to eat. I liked 1 a lot. 2 is where its at.
I have to say, Paul is becoming quite an unlikeable character. Its long been my opinion, before this movie ever existed that the Water of Life made him low-key crazy. He's beginning to believe his own bulls***. That's very human of him, but it means a whole lotta people are going to die.
Jessica: also a villain. She is! She looks great but she's not a good person.
As mentioned above, Zendaya and Chalamet have little if any real chemistry. This is a problem.
HOW COOL were those Harkonnen suspension packs the soldiers had?! Those things put Star Wars jetpacks in the shade, sorry Boba.
This wormriding is also way cool. I approve.
Lady Fenring: GET IT, GIRL. I'll just remark here that I feel all the women in this movie could use a tidge more makeup.
[Where the hell is Count Fenring? We don't even get to see him?! What the hell.]
Josh Brolin is RIPPED TO SHREDS. Respect.
Beast Rabban: put him in the gladiator ring, his unpredictability and volatility are useless anywhere else.
Feyd, lovely Feyd: OK I waited through most of two movies to see this guy, and he does NOT DISAPPOINT. Feyd is kicking ass. He smiles gently while he does it, and he doesn't bother taking names. Feyd is rompin' and stompin'. He is genuinely menacing and a threatening presence. Respect. What about these black teeth? You dont see that often.... It does not hurt that his armor - and that tattered cape, the cherry on top - is so excellently beautiful. InArt, get on this magnificent beast immmmmeeeeeed-jutly.
Geidi Prime is freaky. I love it so much. What a horrid place to live, my gods but they know how to celebrate your birthday. In general the fight scenes in this film are surpassed by none that I can think of.
Stilgar is low-key annoying and he is super gullible.
I love that blue cutting laser they have, I want one of those mounted on the roof of my car lol.
Cons: Killing off not one, but two good villains. This does happen in the books, but still disappointing.
NEXT: Bring on ghola Duncan Idaho, damn it.
edit: *chef's kiss* for this scene, we're opening with this and I'm just like YES. When do we get Star Wars like this?!
In Dune 1, we had a very interesting buffet laid out before us - but in Dune 2, we finally sit down and really begin to eat. I liked 1 a lot. 2 is where its at.
I have to say, Paul is becoming quite an unlikeable character. Its long been my opinion, before this movie ever existed that the Water of Life made him low-key crazy. He's beginning to believe his own bulls***. That's very human of him, but it means a whole lotta people are going to die.
Jessica: also a villain. She is! She looks great but she's not a good person.
As mentioned above, Zendaya and Chalamet have little if any real chemistry. This is a problem.
HOW COOL were those Harkonnen suspension packs the soldiers had?! Those things put Star Wars jetpacks in the shade, sorry Boba.
This wormriding is also way cool. I approve.
Lady Fenring: GET IT, GIRL. I'll just remark here that I feel all the women in this movie could use a tidge more makeup.
[Where the hell is Count Fenring? We don't even get to see him?! What the hell.]
Josh Brolin is RIPPED TO SHREDS. Respect.
Beast Rabban: put him in the gladiator ring, his unpredictability and volatility are useless anywhere else.
Feyd, lovely Feyd: OK I waited through most of two movies to see this guy, and he does NOT DISAPPOINT. Feyd is kicking ass. He smiles gently while he does it, and he doesn't bother taking names. Feyd is rompin' and stompin'. He is genuinely menacing and a threatening presence. Respect. What about these black teeth? You dont see that often.... It does not hurt that his armor - and that tattered cape, the cherry on top - is so excellently beautiful. InArt, get on this magnificent beast immmmmeeeeeed-jutly.
Geidi Prime is freaky. I love it so much. What a horrid place to live, my gods but they know how to celebrate your birthday. In general the fight scenes in this film are surpassed by none that I can think of.
Stilgar is low-key annoying and he is super gullible.
I love that blue cutting laser they have, I want one of those mounted on the roof of my car lol.
Cons: Killing off not one, but two good villains. This does happen in the books, but still disappointing.
NEXT: Bring on ghola Duncan Idaho, damn it.
edit: *chef's kiss* for this scene, we're opening with this and I'm just like YES. When do we get Star Wars like this?!
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jye4ever
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I did. 
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