Will the PT be loved more or hated more after TFA releases?

[parrasmaniac]

I think the prequels are getting better because of the new sequel Trilogy.

First, I think the new Trilogy treats with a lot of respect George Lucas' 3 prequel movies, and this makes the STAR WARS prequels to feel more believable.

Examples:

- mentions of the clone troopers in TFA
- Mustafar appearing in RO
- Luke talking about Darth Sidious in TLJ
- In TLJ, Luke points out the mistakes the Jedi made in the past. Mostly due to arrogance (Yoda? Windu?)
- In TLJ, even Yoda acknowledges that there is a necessity for a step in a different new direction to be taken (he did not think so in ESB)

Secondly, these new movies are weak mostly in character development and story originality. This shows that it was not easy to make the prequels, and that there is some stuff worthy in them.

I still think all the wrong scenes, dialogue, and continuity issues in the prequels make them bad movies. Worse than the new ones. But not all of it was bad.

This is being shown now, I believe.

 

[Adolfo]

PT > ST forever

 

[GasparZizou]

PT > ST forever

This is fact. :

 

[DiFabio]

What makes you two so sure that Episode 9 won't be better than Revenge of the Sith?


I for one am looking forward to the dramatic tension of the Rose, Rey and Finn love triangle. When Rose wakes up from her slumber, she'll go on a journey to find Finn, just like Finn did with Rey! Except this time, Rose will have to fight Rey for Finn's attention. It's poetry! Let's not forget Rey training the Canto Bight kids and Broom boy and Kylo seeing the error of his ways and sacrificing himself for the greater good!

How can Revenge of the Sith even compete?

 

[klwn]

Man, when you put it like that, seems like Episode IX has the potential to be one of the greatest Star Wars movies.

Forget the epic tension and sadness of the Mustafar duel. This is real deep stuff.

 

[Prime Clone]

I for one am looking forward to the dramatic tension of the Rose, Rey and Finn love triangle.

Finn has already proved he'll fall for any girl that comes along. By IX he'll be onto his third conquest.

 

[GasparZizou]

I can't wait for that twist where turns out Finn is gay for Poe.

Like all this shipping for nothing

 

[Adolfo]

Finn sleeps with Chewbacca....Mark this post...lol

 

[DiFabio]

I can't wait for that twist where turns out Finn is gay for Poe.

Like all this shipping for nothing

Finn has already proved he'll fall for any girl that comes along. By IX he'll be onto his third conquest.

TFA - a white British slag

TLJ - an Asian social justice chick

Episode 9 - Latino Poe

 

[GasparZizou]

Dashing latino gets Finndu and Ray.

Kyle-o and Rose get cucked.

Rose turns to the dark side out of spite and joints Kyle-o.

Ep 9 ends in another cliffhanger with some more random kids leading to EpX.

Everybody in the theater stands up and claps.

110% RT.

Kathleen Kennedy gets Nobel peace prize.

 

[parrasmaniac]

Rose, Finn and Jar-Jar were meant together.

I agree TLJ is going to be difficult to rewatch because of this characters alone, but there will be fanedits that will rescue the good stuff.

Wait. Fanedits. Again, just like with the prequels.

 

[a-dev]

Forget the epic tension and sadness of the Mustafar duel.

Apparently I have. I just remember pointless lightsaber spinning, swinging and hovering in a cartoon environment, some dramatic acting from McGregor and music from John Williams that commendably tried to lend some credibility but which, ultimately, couldn't hope to undo all the crapness that had gone before.

 

[klwn]

Apparently I have. I just remember pointless lightsaber spinning, swinging and hovering in a cartoon environment, some dramatic acting from McGregor and music from John Williams that commendably tried to lend some credibility but which, ultimately, couldn't hope to undo all the crapness that had gone before.

I understand, but I don't see it that way, and even with its flaws, I'll take that duel any day over any action sequence in TLJ.

I grew up with the PT (saw the OT a bit before TPM with the special edition) so this approach to lightsaber fights doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't want slow Jedi and Sith, sorry.
The throne room scene in TLJ was far slower while looking way more ridiculous and just as (if not more) choreographed imo.

The environment was gorgeous. There is a one hour+ video on YouTube on how Mustafar was created, they used a lot of miniatures like Weta did for LOTR.
They also filmed actual lava and smoke and composited it on top, it's not all CGI as many would have you believe.

 

[DiFabio]

I understand, but I don't see it that way, and even with its flaws, I'll take that duel any day over any action sequence in TLJ.

I grew up with the PT (saw the OT a bit before TPM with the special edition) so this approach to lightsaber fights doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't want slow Jedi and Sith, sorry.
The throne room scene in TLJ was far slower while looking way more ridiculous and just as (if not more) choreographed imo.

The environment was gorgeous. There is a one hour+ video on YouTube on how Mustafar was created, they used a lot of miniatures like Weta did for LOTR.
They also filmed actual lava and smoke and composited it on top, it's not all CGI as many would have you believe.

It would have been better if,

A. the fight was shorter
B. there was none of that lava floating and Errol Flynn rope dangling and bridge jumping crap. Too video games

Going from the ship platform to the control room to the slopes would have sufficed.


But yes, better than any of the action in TLJ. I'll take Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting in a volcano planet setting where, even with the CGI their clothes are becoming burned and tattered, over the sterile looking and pointless Kylo Ren and "Luke" fight. The lobster guard dance off was ridiculous. All those guards were disposable.


Of the prequels, I still think the Maul/Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon duel was better. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing Obi-Wan finally best Anakin and lob his limbs off, but the fight just seems like it's trying too hard with all the stunts, locations and nonstop epic music.

Nothing tops the Vader and Luke duels.

 

[Adolfo]

I think the Difabio vs Jye duels were pretty good...no contest really...but Jye keeps getting up for some reason no matter how hard Difabio hits

 

[Prime Clone]

pointless lightsaber spinning

I always put that down to a stalemate, with both of them probing for a weakness. I'm sure there'a a martial arts rationalisation for it.

The only thing that bugged me about the Mustafar duel was riding the lava bots.

 

[klwn]

I always put that down to a stalemate, with both of them probing for a weakness. I'm sure there'a a martial arts rationalisation for it.

The only thing that bugged me about the Mustafar duel was riding the lava bots.

The idea behind the choreography of the fight was to represent the fact that absolute equals were fighting.
Obi-Wan being Anakin's master, they wanted the characters to kinda mirror each other's movements.

 

[Prime Clone]

The idea behind the choreography of the fight was to represent the fact that absolute equals were fighting.
Obi-Wan being Anakin's master, they wanted the characters to kinda mirror each other's movements.

Aha, thanks for confirming that!

 

[ShadowX81]

Its definitely weird how there's a lot of prequel apologists coming forward after TLJ, especially about ROTS. I grew up on the prequels, so I always saw myself as a control group in the "nostalgia" vs "quality" debate. And even at a young age I knew something was wrong.

I'm really surprised that so many people seem to be defending ROTS, when at the time it was widely seen as "just another AOTC". A view that I still hold. As far as I'm concerned, George Lucas stuck the landing on the prequels about as well as Harrison Ford on a golf course.

Anakin was more whiney and effeminate than the previous movie, everything with General Grevious was a waste of time, Anikan's turn to the dark side happened in 5 minutes mostly offscreen, more beyond crappy acting that takes you right out of the film, too much CGI in an age where CGI still kind of sucked, bad dialogue, and dear god that mess that was the final duel. That duel represented everything wrong with the prequels. Too long, silly dialogue, incredibly crappy acting, scenery that got more and more ridiculous, clear emphasis on spectacle over any substance. I am honestly shocked that anyone can see that crap scene as a quality piece of film making.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like TLJ either. But dear god, I didn't hate it bad enough to start seeing the prequels as good films.

 

[GasparZizou]

Is Kyle-o better than Anakin?
Is General Grievous more of a waste of time than the casino planet, or hell, the entire plot of TLJ?
Is Anakin's 5 minute turn worse than literally no character development in 2 whole movies for Ray?
Is the acting in the ST better than in the PT?

The answer to those questions is an objective and resounding no, which means there are no prequel apologists, there are observant, rational and impartial people, there are, however, sequel apologists, lots of them.

This comes from someone who would pile on WWEJedi.

The prequels may not be good film-making, which makes the fact that the sequels are worse, an impressive feat.