Official "Ridley Scott's Prometheus" Discussion Thread (Spoilers)
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This movie isn't 1/10 as smart as Blade Runner or as end-to-end engaging with good characters like The Thing.
Great visuals, design, production values and 2-3 awesome performances, though. It's not awful. It's just far from great.
Great visuals, design, production values and 2-3 awesome performances, though. It's not awful. It's just far from great.
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Yeah. People thought Blade Runner was retarded too.
Point is, this movie isn't deep. It's just vague. It lets you put the pieces together. Probably wouldn't be fun for random audience member who thinks Aliens is about Marines, and Ripley. But it's so much fun for people like me, who dove deep into the Alien lore, and know all the movie canon acceptable, in's and outs of the series.
So whatever. I've had more fun talking about this flick then any other movie. And I love it even more when the people who don't like it ask questions, and I try to answer using the evidence in the film. It's really, really fun.
I could care less about the people who go "Boo, it sucks meh", because they're not worth anyone's time.
Lets discuss it's flaws, and pick it apart. Because that's what Scott wanted to do.
Yeah. People thought Blade Runner was retarded too.
Point is, this movie isn't deep. It's just vague. It lets you put the pieces together. Probably wouldn't be fun for random audience member who thinks Aliens is about Marines, and Ripley. But it's so much fun for people like me, who dove deep into the Alien lore, and know all the movie canon acceptable, in's and outs of the series.
So whatever. I've had more fun talking about this flick then any other movie. And I love it even more when the people who don't like it ask questions, and I try to answer using the evidence in the film. It's really, really fun.
I could care less about the people who go "Boo, it sucks meh", because they're not worth anyone's time.
Lets discuss it's flaws, and pick it apart. Because that's what Scott wanted to do.
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Yeah, this theory that they actually did create us by seeding our planet with one Engineer's DNA doesn't hold up. How does his DNA create the whole process of evolution from single celled organism all the way up to man (however many millions of years later) who ends up being a perfect DNA match, yet doesn't have the same size or appearance?
I think the whole "created man" theory is meant to be a conclusion that the scientists in Prometheus mistakenly jumped to. It all makes a little more sense then. Maybe the invitations in the ancient civilizations were also actually warnings.
I agree that somewhere out there, the xenos have already happened. My only problem then is, Engineers are so much bigger than any Xenos we've seen (except the Queen), so how were they much of a threat to them, unless a Xeno from them is considerably bigger, which may be suggested by the size of the protoxeno.
Yeah, this theory that they actually did create us by seeding our planet with one Engineer's DNA doesn't hold up. How does his DNA create the whole process of evolution from single celled organism all the way up to man (however many millions of years later) who ends up being a perfect DNA match, yet doesn't have the same size or appearance?
I think the whole "created man" theory is meant to be a conclusion that the scientists in Prometheus mistakenly jumped to. It all makes a little more sense then. Maybe the invitations in the ancient civilizations were also actually warnings.
I agree that somewhere out there, the xenos have already happened. My only problem then is, Engineers are so much bigger than any Xenos we've seen (except the Queen), so how were they much of a threat to them, unless a Xeno from them is considerably bigger, which may be suggested by the size of the protoxeno.
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^ I think the life on this planet happened normally. However, we, the human beings, were brought here.
Monkey's too.
^ I think the life on this planet happened normally. However, we, the human beings, were brought here.
Monkey's too.
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I've wanted to see that since those crappy Hasbro toys in the 90's that included such nonsense as Snake and Bull Aliens.
A T-rex Alien might be badass though. Oh, wait, I think AVP's Queen already showed us what that might be like and it sucked. Nevermind.
Imagine an Dinoxeno.
I've wanted to see that since those crappy Hasbro toys in the 90's that included such nonsense as Snake and Bull Aliens.
A T-rex Alien might be badass though. Oh, wait, I think AVP's Queen already showed us what that might be like and it sucked. Nevermind.
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Maybe monkeys are actually the result of devolving. Too much inbreeding among early man.
^ I think the life on this planet happened normally. However, we, the human beings, were brought here.
Monkey's too.
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Happens now.
But anyone, we don't live like the Space Jockey's do. Hence why, we may have a 100% DNA match, but we aint no Jockey.
Sci Fi stuff.
Happens now.
But anyone, we don't live like the Space Jockey's do. Hence why, we may have a 100% DNA match, but we aint no Jockey.
Sci Fi stuff.
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I'm waiting for Devil's Photoshop.
I'm waiting for Devil's Photoshop.
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I think you read into that "perfect match" One human to another human is not going to be 100% match. They didn't go into what actual percentage was to be considered a match, might have been enough that a monkey would be considered a match with us as well. Plus think of how this works, just because a monkey shares 95+% ish with us doesn't mean they're 95+% our size or 95+% looking like us.
I think you read into that "perfect match" One human to another human is not going to be 100% match. They didn't go into what actual percentage was to be considered a match, might have been enough that a monkey would be considered a match with us as well. Plus think of how this works, just because a monkey shares 95+% ish with us doesn't mean they're 95+% our size or 95+% looking like us.
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I got the distinct impression it was being presented to us as though the Engineers were genetically the same species.
I got the distinct impression it was being presented to us as though the Engineers were genetically the same species.
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So is the "goo" thing really just an uninspired, non-creative, cop-out kind of thing?
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So is the "goo" thing really just an uninspired, non-creative, cop-out kind of thing?
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I don't see how. It's a alien bio weapon. The only being that knows how to use it, is something that can't speak english.
It turns ____ into weapons. That's it's purpose. That's all it does.
I don't see how. It's a alien bio weapon. The only being that knows how to use it, is something that can't speak english.
It turns ____ into weapons. That's it's purpose. That's all it does.
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If you follow any of the major genetics blogs, theres human remains of certain areas with less genetic match technically than the aforementioned monkeys, but they're still human and thus a match as humans. I think it was just to show the crew as we saw in the beginning that we did actually come from the rib of Adam. Adam just happened to be an alien and it was shown in the beginning sequence underwater that the DNA was altering to a degree. It wasn't an exercise of cloning.
If you follow any of the major genetics blogs, theres human remains of certain areas with less genetic match technically than the aforementioned monkeys, but they're still human and thus a match as humans. I think it was just to show the crew as we saw in the beginning that we did actually come from the rib of Adam. Adam just happened to be an alien and it was shown in the beginning sequence underwater that the DNA was altering to a degree. It wasn't an exercise of cloning.
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That's a good point. I never thought of the opening planet as earth and the fact this black goo created us and all of life's creatures is pretty uninspiring. I think our current theory of evolution with molecules and cells and such is much more interesting.
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That's a good point. I never thought of the opening planet as earth and the fact this black goo created us and all of life's creatures is pretty uninspiring. I think our current theory of evolution with molecules and cells and such is much more interesting.
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I see the black fluid as a substance that creates life through destruction. In other words, whatever it comes in contact with turns into a parasite, with the exception of the Engineers (with them, it's more of a sacrifice that doesn't depend on a secondary host/victim). Kind of like what CelticPredator said.Those maggots in the dome turned into parasitic organisms. Charlie turned into a parasitic organism without knowing it (impregnating Elizabeth with the original facehugger). The only good that could possibly come of it lies with the Engineers.
I see the black fluid as a substance that creates life through destruction. In other words, whatever it comes in contact with turns into a parasite, with the exception of the Engineers (with them, it's more of a sacrifice that doesn't depend on a secondary host/victim). Kind of like what CelticPredator said.Those maggots in the dome turned into parasitic organisms. Charlie turned into a parasitic organism without knowing it (impregnating Elizabeth with the original facehugger). The only good that could possibly come of it lies with the Engineers.
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I was thinking along those lines also but then I remembered hearing the Queen Alien was never Ridley's idea, it was all Cameron's, so that probably isn't the Queen and now I'm finding out that the ship and Jockey isn't the same derelict ship and dead jockey we see in Alien so....
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I was thinking along those lines also but then I remembered hearing the Queen Alien was never Ridley's idea, it was all Cameron's, so that probably isn't the Queen and now I'm finding out that the ship and Jockey isn't the same derelict ship and dead jockey we see in Alien so....
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Why does every one think it's a queen? Doesn't look at all like a queen. And not every Alien that is birthed is a queen.
It's just a normal Alien thing.
And you just found out? It was never going to be that.
Why does every one think it's a queen? Doesn't look at all like a queen. And not every Alien that is birthed is a queen.
It's just a normal Alien thing.
And you just found out? It was never going to be that.
Re: Prometheus - Spoiler thread!
LV-223, people. That and "there are more ships." Helps.
LV-223, people. That and "there are more ships." Helps.
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