Marvel Studios/Sony - SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING

[FirstPick]

I have a fun theory, but stick with me


Karen is the Venom Symbiote in the MCU


Still with me?

The suit has its own mind, it helps fight, makes him stronger and can make him more lethal than Peter would ever want to be (full combat mode).
Remember when his eyes go black and red and Karen calls it "kill mode" or something like that?

Imagine Karen liking being connected with Spider-Man, she likes the power and his abilities, but eventually pushes Peter to do something (or almost) he doesn't want to do. Maybe she goes full recon mode and turns the suit black and has the scary interrogation voice, goes out at night and fights crime without him knowing (or against his will).

As he realizes Karen has her own goals and is using Peter, he also realizes that the suit is limiting his Spider Sense with the extra technology. He tears her off and discards the suit.

Maybe she never becomes Venom, but the original idea of Venom was to be a woman. This still would give us the Alien/Black suit story arc.

Plus, we know the suit could fit a much bigger person (Brock, but it won't be) or possibly Flash or a Ben Riley type of Spider Clone.


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[jye4ever]

Spoiler:

Everybody in the theater went oh noooo when the door opened

Same during my viewing it literally sounded like everyone gasped at the same time lol

 

[hunnipot85]

She is built to be a bigger role. She's very funny in the scenes she's in

I'm glad you liked her character

I am hoping she turns more-so into her real life counterpart in future films... but something tells me it might be completely out of character

 

[PopCultKid]

Saw this bright & early this morning and definitely pleased…. and relieved . I won’t critique too much because it always takes me 2 viewings to fully digest CBMs. I can’t help the first viewing being at least a little muddled with my personal expectations. After the second viewing, I can start to appreciate (or not) the movie/aspects of the movie as it was given to us, and not how I thought it should’ve been. So most times, things that bug me on round 1 tend to melt away the second time around, and I have various other changes in opinion.

For now I'll keep it brief and say Holland is a PERFECT Peter and I dig Keaton’s take on The Vulture (don’t know if I can call him the best MCU villain yet). I’m sure they’ll both grow on me that much more, as will the movie itself, after another watch or two.

Spoiler:

Happy to see all the baddies imprisoned instead of killed off, so we’ll see them again in a thicker plot

I’ll mention just 2 things that mildly bugged me that will definitely melt away after the next watch:

Spoiler:

I think back to 2002 after an old buddy of mine saw Spider-Man before I did, and was bashing it to death. One of the things in his nerd-rage-fueled-rant that stuck with me till today is how disappointed he was with how fast Spidey went from gaining his powers to skilled fighter. "Bro, he gets his powers, he practices a little, he makes the suit himself from scratch... and then he's a pro fighter!!" . This is a prime example of why heroes are rushed from birth of their abilities to kick-ass super hero. Because the alternative is watching their growing pains for an entire movie. Here we saw a Spidey who is green, wet behind the ears, clumsy at times and makes noob mistakes. What we want to see is a well-seasoned Spidey with pinpoint precision acrobatics and web slinging. But I guess we saw a ton of that and I do understand this approach. Thankfully this is a trilogy, plus he’ll be in at least 2 more movies aside from that, so there is plenty room for this Spidey to grow.

Second thing that I’m not that nuts about yet is the Stark Tech suit. I get it, new approach, something different and so on, but Spidey was never a character that had to rely on this much tech. I can see maybe the functions of the suit (or just … half of them lol), but to have a VI assistant intergraded in there? IDK about this one yet

But one thing that won’t change no matter how many times I see this is the race changes. It’s passable for certain characters here and there (and I fully understand and respect all the reasons why it’s done), but there are some characters that are TOO iconic and I feel should remain faithful to their iconic imagery, and should not be gender bent or race swapped if it’s too far a deviation from the source. That kid IS NOT my Flash

Spoiler:

....and Zendaya as MJ IS A TRAVESTY!

I mean, who’s our future JJJ??? Steve Fricken Harvey???!!!




All in all a great flick with a promising future. Unfortunately don't think I'll get to see this again till after the weekend, and I'm dying to!

 

[PopCultKid]

I have a fun theory, but stick with me


Karen is the Venom Symbiote in the MCU


Still with me?

The suit has its own mind, it helps fight, makes him stronger and can make him more lethal than Peter would ever want to be (full combat mode).
Remember when his eyes go black and red and Karen calls it "kill mode" or something like that?

Imagine Karen liking being connected with Spider-Man, she likes the power and his abilities, but eventually pushes Peter to do something (or almost) he doesn't want to do. Maybe she goes full recon mode and turns the suit black and has the scary interrogation voice, goes out at night and fights crime without him knowing (or against his will).

As he realizes Karen has her own goals and is using Peter, he also realizes that the suit is limiting his Spider Sense with the extra technology. He tears her off and discards the suit.

Maybe she never becomes Venom, but the original idea of Venom was to be a woman. This still would give us the Alien/Black suit story arc.

Plus, we know the suit could fit a much bigger person (Brock, but it won't be) or possibly Flash or a Ben Riley type of Spider Clone.


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Interesting. I'm still hoping of something closer to the source. Like him finding it during IW.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Interesting. I'm still hoping of something closer to the source. Like him finding it during IW.

I think they'll do it closer to the source...Marvel knows it's too important

 

[PopCultKid]

I saw a 7 PM showing tonight and I have to say: "THE STREAK CONTINUES! Logan, Guardians, Wonder Woman, and now, Spider-Man; if Thor and JL can, by some miracle, deliver, this'll be one for the angels. Honestly, though? I'll echo my sentiments that I posted on Facebook earlier in saying that Spider-Man: Homecoming is, truly, a homecoming in the best of ways. It's crazy to me that it took Sony this long to get the bright idea to let Marvel do what they do best, and let me just say: Marvel was doing what they do best in every sense of the word with this one. It was everything you'd hope a Spider-Man movie would be; it was amazing, it was spectacular, and it was Spider-Man.

From here on out, I'll use spoiler tags, so as not to ruin it for anybody:

Spoiler:

Where to begin...it's amazing to me just how much world building this movie accomplished, for one thing. I'll start with the part of the movie I was most pleased with, and it should come as no surprise to anyone that, hands down, that was Michael Keaton as The Vulture. The Vulture of the comics has always seemed like a bit of a joke to me. Some Geriatric in a skintight bodysuit and a Liza Minnelli Feather Boa flying around the city stealing ****; of all of Spidey's Rogue's Gallery, he always struck me as one of Webhead's weaker villains.

That being said, this is precisely what great writing and amazing casting can do for a role. Keaton made Toomes, arguably, the most compelling villain to grace the MCU. His motivations were clearly defined, he was sympathetic, and, in some ways, even, admirable, but, when the chips were down and the claws came out, he would **** your life, if it came down to it, and the introduction of Damage Control and the way they were introduced was absolutely brilliant, because it does not at all seem out of character for Tony Stark to pull that ****. We have, going on, 9 years of him acting like a ******** and screwing things up for people to fall back on, and seeing it from Toomes' perspective, honestly? **** Civil War with Team Cap and Team Iron Man. This is a way more compelling Civil War and, me? I'm Team Vulture, all the way.

In many ways, the death of Shocker was kind of a turning point and, honestly, you actually felt really bad when it happened. It's that point of no return for Toomes and the worst part is that, at the end of the day? It was an accident. Considering everything up to that point was him taking care of these guys as if they were extensions of his own family, and him thinking it was the anti-gravity gun, I don't think he had any intention of actually killing him, but, at the same time, as the movie showed, he'll go to any lengths to take care of his own.

And that "dad talk" was absolutely fantastic. It shows just how sympathetic he is, in many ways. He knows Peter's just a kid, and he knows he's a good kid. Yeah, he threatened to kill him and everyone he loved, but the opportunity he was presenting him? Go be a teenager, ignore this stuff that's above your pay grade, and I'll still let you date my daughter? And the thing of it is that there wasn't an ounce of duplicity in the offer; he was laying his cards on the table: "walk away and have a happy life." No superhero in the history of comic book movies will ever be offered a better deal than that.

Hell, even by the end of the film, he's still looking out for Peter, and words cannot describe how happy I was that they didn't waste such a compelling villain with yet another "he knows his secret, he has to die" Spider-Man trope. I also loved the twist. It came out of nowhere, for me, at least. The whole time, I was sort of building up this idea that he was Zendaya's dad from internet rumors and stuff like the Avengers drawing and her love of sketching and then, when he opens that door, you're just like "whaaaat?"

Looking at it now, though: this is the bridge that Marvel needs to connect the Netflix series with the MCU. That post-credits sequence with Toomes and Gargan? I could easily see these characters interacting with D'onofrio's Kingpin or showing up in an episode of one of the Netflix series; hell, even the stuff with Peter in that deli felt, tonally, like the same sort of down to earth character interaction that you'd see in Daredevil or Luke Cage. It felt like a very real neighborhood, and, on that note, it really reinforced that idea of the "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man."

Tom Holland was fantastic. He's got just the right amount of naïveté while still being intelligent and capable as both Parker and Spider-Man, and they did an excellent job of showcasing how he juggles both those sides of his life and how he's still very much growing up. I can't count how many times I felt a huge grin creep across my face. I'll be honest and pretty much say it was continuous from the moment Toomes met the Damage Control people, right through to Giacchino's rendition of the classic Spidey theme over the Marvel Studios logo, and, from there, pretty much every second of the movie until the end credits.

Which, that post-credits scene...I'd almost be pissed if I weren't so damn amused. I feel like I could gush about far more, but, to be honest, it's late and I'm too tire to continue this train of thought.

Glad you liked it. It's nice to come in this section and see people liking movies

 

[PopCultKid]

I think they'll do it closer to the source...Marvel knows it's too important

Do they? I ask you this...

Spoiler:

MJ!!?? WHAT ABOUT FKIN' MJ??!!!







I always wanted my MJ to be a Latina, passive-aggressive wise ass quasi-hipster

Hopefully she'll go Goth in Pt. 2

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Spoiler:

MJ!!?? WHAT ABOUT FKIN' MJ??!!!

I think it'll work out fine

 

[PopCultKid]

We'll see


But careful... you unspoilered my spoiler

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

We'll see


But careful... you unspoilered my spoiler

I fixed it

 

[sifu74]

Out of 6 Spiderman films McGuire's Spiderman 2 is still the best. This one was a 3.5/5 for me, not the home run alot of people are making it out to be.
You want a villain you simpathise with, Doc Ock had that too.
With these Marvel movies, what's the point of wearing a mask, everyone knows who you are. It got messed up with the first Ironman.

 

[ApeManRyan]

I liked this movie. But I left feeling not a lot. Fun flick with the best spider man and villain in mcu but just didn't hit me like most I thought guardians 2 was a bit better. Not saying this was a bad film but didn't leave feeling amazing about it definitely one of the better spider films though.

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[sifu74]

What's with studios releasing trailers that is not even in the films? Is it a Disney thing? Where was Ironman flying next to Spiderman swinging?

 

[LexiKon318]

But one thing that won’t change no matter how many times I see this is the race changes. It’s passable for certain characters here and there (and I fully understand and respect all the reasons why it’s done), but there are some characters that are TOO iconic and I feel should remain faithful to their iconic imagery, and should not be gender bent or race swapped if it’s too far a deviation from the source. That kid IS NOT my Flash

I didn't have a big problem with changing Flash's race, I did however have a huge problem

Spoiler:

with this dinky little hipster-looking kid saying, "You're dead, Parker."

That wasn't convincing at all. They could've at least made him a big jock ha

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[PopCultKid]

Not that it's a big deal, but going back to how this is Spidey as a noob; I just rewatched the CW fight scene and he looks way more polished in that scene than he does in this whole flick

I didn't have a big problem with changing Flash's race, I did however have a huge problem

Spoiler:

with this dinky little hipster-looking kid saying, "You're dead, Parker."

That wasn't convincing at all. They could've at least made him a big jock ha

I agree. Let me rephrase about Flash. I'd prefer him to be a more faithful representation of the source (Manganiello was even good enough), but race swapping isn't the end of the world. Completely changing the make-up of the character is though. They definitely should have stuck with the jock persona, instead of making him a marginally cooler nerd than Parker.

But I guess jocks and sports don't fit in the advanced science kind of school I believe this is supposed to be. Plus, it's clearly a modern take on what a bully can be, and how bullying isn't only done through physical violence. Not that crazy about that approach, but I get why they took it.

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MJ on the other hand, absolutely positively should be a red head

What's with studios releasing trailers that is not even in the films? Is it a Disney thing? Where was Ironman flying next to Spiderman swinging?

It's not just Disney, it happens quite often. That shot of them flying/swinging together isn't in the movie and a few other things from the trailer didn't make the cut; mostly dialogue changes.

 

[Wor-Gar]

What happened to the hot redhead?

 

[PopCultKid]

What happened to the hot redhead?

Millennials? Trying to rewrite the book on everything.

Bullies don't meet you 3:00 anymore, they just tweet at you

 

[PopCultKid]

♬ Mary Jane in the rain ♪ Mary Jane in the rain ♬

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

 

[ironwez20]

To be fair she wasn't hot nor did she really act to much like mj. She had red hair and said tiger and wanted to be an actress. Hopefully we see that character grow into the role