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I'm glad you asked!

In the interest of full disclosure my next few paragraphs will be entirely conjecture. Proceed at your own risk. An educated guess is likely to ensue littered with a good dose of common sense. Your internet might stop functioning until irrational fan complaining continues. This usually takes about 5 seconds.

The most probable culprit of the various delays are due to the manufacturing. See Hot Toys makes and designs the products, markets them, sells them, etc. However they do not actually produce them. This production is farmed out to various factories in China. Those factories have other orders from other customers that they make for. These factories line up all their customer orders to make sure that their factories stay working with the least amount of down time for both the factory and their workers. So Hot Toys might be scheduled to have Loki produced in November for a December release. Now it is possible, depending on the size of the factory, that there is a single production line or it is possible that there are multiple. It is also possible that Hot Toys manufactures enough to keep their primary factory busy all year and thus is the sole customer but it is probably more likely that there are other customers slated for October production and December production, leaving Hot Toys their window of production for Loki in the given factory they have placed their order with. If anything is delayed with Loki at all then the factory has to move Loki later in the production schedule. Oft times, if Hot Toys isn’t big enough of a customer to bully them, then the factory will leap frog someone else’s production into the November slot and Loki will get shoved to the next most convenient spot.

Now let’s travel further down the rabbit hole to see what we find. :bunnydanc

You’ve got lots of different parts in these figures. It is highly unlikely that a single factory is making all the various parts because it is unlikely that a single factory does metal work for the accessories, plastic molding for the bodies, fabric sewing for the garments, and cardboard & plastic production for the boxes. So that means that a delay in any one of the various factories making the ‘parts’ will result in a delay at the factory assembling the final product.

Follow me Alice and this time just eat the blue pill. :chillpill:

Now we travel all the way back to where our small little mythical wonders are conceived. Yes, this is the oft forgotten place called the Land or Raw Materials. We have fabrics that must be woven and dyed. We have plastics that must be prepared for the molds. We have metal that must be purchased to form little pins and doohickies. We have paper products that must be sourced for box fabrication, etc. This land is also just as susceptible to the infuriating delay. Perhaps there is a shortage of a given raw material, perhaps there is a large customer that bumps our smaller Hot Toys from the supply chain in order to have plastic pellets for 100,000 50 gallon plastic coolers made on the spot. Perhaps Walmart places a last minute order for 200,000 metal folding camp chairs and sucks up all the available raw metal that was sitting waiting for Hot Toys and so the supplier has to extrude more. Etc etc etc etc.

All these various parts make up a larger part of the supply chain. A delay in any of them means a delay in the final product. It happens all the time and has been happening even more often out of China in the past couple of years than prior because of the added wonder of labor issues. Something the Chinese government never allowed to take place in the past they are letting happen without any word…that is strikes for wage increases, strikes for this or that, etc. For the Chinese this was inevitable as they are going through the same industrial revolution that our country went through in the first part of the last century.

Now we returned you to your regularly scheduled program of fan lamenting. Be sure to tune in next time when we cover why the price increases to the figures are completely understandable. You may just see some entitled fan go into cardiac arrest. :medic:medic

Holy MOLY! :horror

Thank you for the insight on the whole process. It does makes sense and very true that some things are out of HT hands. I guess patience is indeed a virtue when all things are taken into consideration.

In the meantime... I'll be interested in reading your price discussion when you decide to type it up on a later time. :wink1:

Again, thanks for the info.
 
I 100% agree with Bainreese. I work for a home decor design company and we work with many different factories over in China, each one seems to specialize in one thing, be it metalwork or leather or plastic molds etc... There is no factory I know of that does them all. Each of these figures is being Frankensteined together by at least 2-3 different factories.
 
I'm glad you asked!

In the interest of full disclosure my next few paragraphs will be entirely conjecture. Proceed at your own risk. An educated guess is likely to ensue littered with a good dose of common sense. Your internet might stop functioning until irrational fan complaining continues. This usually takes about 5 seconds.

The most probable culprit of the various delays are due to the manufacturing. See Hot Toys makes and designs the products, markets them, sells them, etc. However they do not actually produce them. This production is farmed out to various factories in China. Those factories have other orders from other customers that they make for. These factories line up all their customer orders to make sure that their factories stay working with the least amount of down time for both the factory and their workers. So Hot Toys might be scheduled to have Loki produced in November for a December release. Now it is possible, depending on the size of the factory, that there is a single production line or it is possible that there are multiple. It is also possible that Hot Toys manufactures enough to keep their primary factory busy all year and thus is the sole customer but it is probably more likely that there are other customers slated for October production and December production, leaving Hot Toys their window of production for Loki in the given factory they have placed their order with. If anything is delayed with Loki at all then the factory has to move Loki later in the production schedule. Oft times, if Hot Toys isn’t big enough of a customer to bully them, then the factory will leap frog someone else’s production into the November slot and Loki will get shoved to the next most convenient spot.

Now let’s travel further down the rabbit hole to see what we find. :bunnydanc

You’ve got lots of different parts in these figures. It is highly unlikely that a single factory is making all the various parts because it is unlikely that a single factory does metal work for the accessories, plastic molding for the bodies, fabric sewing for the garments, and cardboard & plastic production for the boxes. So that means that a delay in any one of the various factories making the ‘parts’ will result in a delay at the factory assembling the final product.

Follow me Alice and this time just eat the blue pill. :chillpill:

Now we travel all the way back to where our small little mythical wonders are conceived. Yes, this is the oft forgotten place called the Land or Raw Materials. We have fabrics that must be woven and dyed. We have plastics that must be prepared for the molds. We have metal that must be purchased to form little pins and doohickies. We have paper products that must be sourced for box fabrication, etc. This land is also just as susceptible to the infuriating delay. Perhaps there is a shortage of a given raw material, perhaps there is a large customer that bumps our smaller Hot Toys from the supply chain in order to have plastic pellets for 100,000 50 gallon plastic coolers made on the spot. Perhaps Walmart places a last minute order for 200,000 metal folding camp chairs and sucks up all the available raw metal that was sitting waiting for Hot Toys and so the supplier has to extrude more. Etc etc etc etc.

All these various parts make up a larger part of the supply chain. A delay in any of them means a delay in the final product. It happens all the time and has been happening even more often out of China in the past couple of years than prior because of the added wonder of labor issues. Something the Chinese government never allowed to take place in the past they are letting happen without any word…that is strikes for wage increases, strikes for this or that, etc. For the Chinese this was inevitable as they are going through the same industrial revolution that our country went through in the first part of the last century.

Now we returned you to your regularly scheduled program of fan lamenting. Be sure to tune in next time when we cover why the price increases to the figures are completely understandable. You may just see some entitled fan go into cardiac arrest. :medic:medic

Meanwhile, in my house, I'm sitting back on a cozy chair admiring my EB Bats. :chillpill:




(I read the whole thing though, quite informative. :D)
 
How so?*

*legitimate question

No, that is a legitimate question. Well it's more of an impression really. To start let me say that I love America, the people are friendly and specially to us Brits I have found (and not somewhat distant as is more common here), I love the atmosphere, the optimism, the muscle cars, the ready availability of everything. I got married in America (Las Vegas...and there's a place to see. The sheer spectacle of it is unbelievable), I have an American Uncle (USAF Rtrd) and two cousins (one of whom is also USAF) out of Texas. I don't want people thinking that I am really seriously anti-American in any way.

It's based on many silly little observations and news items that on their own don't actually add up to much, but generally as a whole can be summed up by this one event....

A few years back, when Tony Blair was still our Prime Minister, he was conducting as lightning tour of a hospital. There was no formal press announcement as it was supposed to be a surprise 'flash visit' of sorts, so he was to enter at a rear car park and go in in secret. What he did not realise was that in that car park was a woman whose husband was undergoing treatment at that same hospital and as soon as she saw him, she was up and in his face. I am not joking, she was gesticulating sharply in his face with pointed finger and speaking with much passion and heatedly (understandably) about her how things were in the hospital. The look of discomfort on Mr.Blair's face was a prize to behold, but I recall thinking as I watched her pointy finger surging forward again towards Mr. Blair's chest for the fourth or fifth time...

"If this were America, she'd have 20 security men on top of her right about now"

It's just little things like that really. On their own, nothing. But more than one and all together....

I am not out to upset people, the British and the Americans really are 'cousin across the water' But, I am not entirely sure if that answers it how you expected..? So as to not go OT, if you like we could continue this via PM?
 
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Wow! Cap sure stands out as the best looking of the bunch. Him and Iron Man are easily the best. :lecture
 
Wow! Cap sure stands out as the best looking of the bunch. Him and Iron Man are easily the best. :lecture

I think they all look great! But I also agree, Cap, IM, & Loki all look the best... But the Hulk is still my favorite character on the team. :wink1:
 
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I think they all look great! But I also agree, Cap, IM, & Loki all look the best... But the Hulk is still my character on the team. :wink1:

Forgot about Loki. Yeah, he is phenomenal.

I really wanted to get this new Thor since I passed on the last one. His head sculpt just looks too "anime" if that makes any sense. Color looks too pale as well.
 
Maybe I'm not seeing it clearly on my phone, but based on the pic I saw from the con, it looks like they softened the grimace on caps head sculpt
 
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Still havent pulled the trigger on any version of Cap yet. Definately feeling the Avengers version,costume is killer but his masked headsculpt just doesnt look right to me. Cap looks more like a kid and less like a man in the face. Plus the lack of multiple hands and accesories just urks me. Might just buy the body secondhand and wait it out for Avengers 2 or Captain America 2 headsculpts.
 
Still havent pulled the trigger on any version of Cap yet. Definately feeling the Avengers version,costume is killer but his masked headsculpt just doesnt look right to me. Cap looks more like a kid and less like a man in the face. Plus the lack of multiple hands and accesories just urks me. Might just buy the body secondhand and wait it out for Avengers 2 or Captain America 2 headsculpts.

Well he does look young in the face on the sculpt, but then take a look at Chris Evans, he does in fact have a very boyish face in real life too.
 
Well he does look young in the face on the sculpt, but then take a look at Chris Evans, he does in fact have a very boyish face in real life too.

No I agree he does have a boyish face in real life,the figure is a great likeness. Maybe he will have some beard stuble in the next movie and Ill be happy.
 
So I have looking at Cap here and Im starting to think HT might be using a new body.
One problem I have had since getting into this hobby a few years ago, is the proportions of the TrueType. The torso is short and the legs are long.
If you look at Cap and compare him to Hawkeye you can see the differences in the the length of their torsos. Hawkeye's pelvis area is much higher then Cap's.
I know people aren't crazy about the new Wolverine, but it appears to me that he too is on a different proportioned body. Like Cap, he seems to have a longer more natural looking torso.

Anyone see this?
 
No I agree he does have a boyish face in real life,the figure is a great likeness. Maybe he will have some beard stuble in the next movie and Ill be happy.

Then you could pose him like the Shawarma end credit scene! :lol

I also agree, this figure has a GREAT likeness! :clap
 
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