Christopher Nolan Inception

[darthviper107]

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Of course it fell. This was a pure happy ending.

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Even though it looked like his kids hadn't aged since he last saw them? And they were still playing outside? And we don't see how he actually got out of the dream, it was just one moment he was talking to Saito and the other he was awake on the plane.

 

[Master Wayne]

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He is still in the dream.

 

[hunnipot85]

Someone said when he's dreaming he's wearing a wedding ring, when he's not dreaming he's not wearing the ring. I'd like to watch again to see if it's on or not at the end...

 

[uscmhicks]

You know this discussion you're having is one now that is likely to go on for decades. I don't think he was dreaming personally but if what you've just said is true hunnipot I might change my mind. I think I'll got to see this again at the IMAX if I can.

Anyway , I'd just like to say I think Tom Hardy did an awesome job in this and I hope he gets alot more recognition now.

"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling".

 

[Maglor]

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I too think it fell...

But. If it did in fact stay up then Leo's wife was living happily with her kids w/o him.hmmm..... Oh well, even if it is still a dream at least Leo is happy.

Wait, what?

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"Leo's wife was living happily with her kids w/o him."

...But she was dead in the real world.

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Even though it looked like his kids hadn't aged since he last saw them? And they were still playing outside? And we don't see how he actually got out of the dream, it was just one moment he was talking to Saito and the other he was awake on the plane.

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Hmm. I hadn't thought about their age...

Do we know how much time passed?



And I assumed that Saito picked up the gun, shot Leo and then himself.

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Also, the top did quiver right a the end. That is the sign of inevitability. A top that goes forever would never quiver.

 

[uscmhicks]

I was gonna say something too , I thought I might have been wrong though since I'm shattered.

 

[Giant Chicken]

Wait, what?

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"Leo's wife was living happily with her kids w/o him."

...But she was dead in the real world.

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Hmm. I hadn't thought about their age...

Do we know how much time passed?

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Also, the top did quiver right a the end. That is the sign of inevitability. A top that goes forever would never quiver.

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Not if he is still in the dream... if the ending of the movie was still a dream it was just another "level". When she jumped from the building she would have "woken up". If Leo was in fact back in the real world then she is really dead.

Not sure if I explained it well enough...

 

[Maglor]

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Not if he is still in the dream... if the ending of the movie was still a dream it was just another "level". When she jumped from the building she would have "woken up". If Leo was in fact back in the real world then she is really dead.

Not sure if I explained it well enough...

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Meaning that she was right? But what about his first inception?

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P.S. All these spoiler tags look kind of funny.

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[mattman6886]

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P.S. All these spoiler tags look kind of funny.

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Yes they do

 

[Maglor]

Interesting discussions over at imdb.

Like these points:

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I think it is really happening, both because that ending is what makes more sense in the story and character development and I felt the wobbling was pretty apparent.

I think in addition to leaving some doubt, the reason to not have it clear was a bit of a joke on Nolan's part. Cobb's team talks about the need for catharsis and reconciliation and so Nolan sets up with the top wobbling where the audience expects to get the moment of reconciliation and then decides to cut it at the instant before the top falls to deny that moment.

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I think we are to assume that what we are seeing is real. The film cuts to black before the top comes to rest to leave some doubt. Why? Because it's fun!

 

[plasmid303]

It wobbled. That's good enough for me.

On a related note, does anyone remember the exact amount of time the Dream Team spent inside each dream layer?

 

[IrishJedi]

My take on the film: AMAZING. Makes "The Dark Knight" look like a kiddie film.

My take on the ending:

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It's definitely a dream. Everything is too perfect. Also... Not only have the kids not aged at all (and are playing exactly like they were in his previous memory), but Michael Caine's character is wearing the exact same clothes he was the last time Cobb met with him in the real world.

I think Ariadne (Ellen Page) did him a "favor" to prevent him from being in limbo and planted an inception of her own when they were in the 4th layer by telling him to find Saito.

It was left ambiguous on purpose, to stir these debates... but to me it's pretty clear that the end is a dream. The film is too smart for it to be otherwise.

 

[darthviper107]

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Yeah, it wobbled, but that seems natural, the surface of the table isn't perfect, the top isn't perfectly balanced, he probably didn't spin it perfectly. But it doesn't mean it's definitely about to fall over

 

[IrishJedi]

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Yeah, it wobbled, but that seems natural, the surface of the table isn't perfect, the top isn't perfectly balanced, he probably didn't spin it perfectly. But it doesn't mean it's definitely about to fall over

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Also, if Nolan wanted the "wobble" to represent that it would indeed topple... he'd have just shown it topple. Certainly, the clues that it was a dream are more powerful and numerous than "the wobble". But, again, I love that hint of ambiguity that forces people to dissect and discuss the text of the film.

 

[plasmid303]

My take on the film: AMAZING. Makes "The Dark Knight" look like a kiddie film.

My take on the ending:

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It's definitely a dream. Everything is too perfect. Also... Not only have the kids not aged at all (and are playing exactly like they were in his previous memory), but Michael Caine's character is wearing the exact same clothes he was the last time Cobb met with him in the real world.

I think Ariadne (Ellen Page) did him a "favor" to prevent him from being in limbo and planted an inception of her own when they were in the 4th layer by telling him to find Saito.

It was left ambiguous on purpose, to stir these debates... but to me it's pretty clear that the end is a dream. The film is too smart for it to be otherwise.

Oooh, I like that theory, especially

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The part about Ariadne planting an inception of her own (though I'm not sure it works that way).

Actually, someone else mentioned it earlier in this thread, but there's one detail that I think affirms that the end is NOT a dream. Throughout the film, Dom wears his wedding ring whenever he's inside a dream, but when awake he does not. In the final scenes and when He and Saito wake up on the plane, Dom is not wearing his ring. Or so an obervative member on imdb reports.

 

[darthviper107]

Oooh, I like that theory, especially

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The part about Ariadne planting an inception of her own (though I'm not sure it works that way).

Actually, someone else mentioned it earlier in this thread, but there's one detail that I think affirms that the end is NOT a dream. Throughout the film, Dom wears his wedding ring whenever he's inside a dream, but when awake he does not. In the final scenes and when He and Saito wake up on the plane, Dom is not wearing his ring. Or so an obervative member on imdb reports.

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That's why we need to watch again and see, I think I might even remember him taking it off at one point. And considering if someone wanted to drop him in a dream the would be easily able to see his wedding ring as a detail, they should be able to put that in the dream as well.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

great film.....great ending....great action in what really isn't an action film...

 

[CelticPredator]

Nolan stepped up his action game for sure.

 

[sifu74]

While watching the movie and hearing the soundtrack, I kept thinking this is what Batman 3 soundtrack will sound like. A little techno and a little from Dark Knight, it was pretty bad ass.
Also, if the ending is just a dream, that would suck because that would mean I spent two and a half hour watching someones dream.

 

[CelticPredator]

It wasnt all. Just the end. Maybe. If you want it to be that way.