The Dark Knight Rises - 1/6th scale Batman Armory with Bruce Wayne Collectible Set
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You could argue both ways. For example how did nobody find out that Bruce is Batman. He drops from the surfcae of the earth as soon as Batman disappears. Why should a smart detective not be able to connect the dots. Even the guy in The Dark Knight connected the dots. You could also ask why didn't Fox or Bruce stop him? Does this make The Dark Knight a bad movie, absolutely not. It is always funny how people apply the most strict logic to movies they don't like to prove that those movies are garbage. The whole logic argument is gone as soon as it is a movie they like.
I feel the same way regarding TDK and TDKR, Dark Knight is the better movie compared to Rises. I never understood the hate for Rises though. As a Batman fan I enjoyed the movie.
Regarding your statement that Nolan does not understand the core of Bruce/Batman:
You could argue both ways. For example how did nobody find out that Bruce is Batman. He drops from the surfcae of the earth as soon as Batman disappears. Why should a smart detective not be able to connect the dots. Even the guy in The Dark Knight connected the dots. You could also ask why didn't Fox or Bruce stop him? Does this make The Dark Knight a bad movie, absolutely not. It is always funny how people apply the most strict logic to movies they don't like to prove that those movies are garbage. The whole logic argument is gone as soon as it is a movie they like.
I feel the same way regarding TDK and TDKR, Dark Knight is the better movie compared to Rises. I never understood the hate for Rises though. As a Batman fan I enjoyed the movie.
Regarding your statement that Nolan does not understand the core of Bruce/Batman:
In superhero universe, people are just assumed to be dumb and can’t put two and two together. Like how they can’t figure out Superman is Clark just cause he put on a pair of glasses. So if we’re suppose to suspend that belief, the way Blake figured out Bruce’s identity was so bad. At least make it more realistic by pointing out the exact things you said. Except in the movie, Blake figured out by recognizing Bruce is wearing a “mask.” No other explanation given.You could argue both ways. For example how did nobody find out that Bruce is Batman. He drops from the surfcae of the earth as soon as Batman disappears. Why should a smart detective not be able to connect the dots. Even the guy in The Dark Knight connected the dots. You could also ask why didn't Fox or Bruce stop him? Does this make The Dark Knight a bad movie, absolutely not. It is always funny how people apply the most strict logic to movies they don't like to prove that those movies are garbage. The whole logic argument is gone as soon as it is a movie they like.
I feel the same way regarding TDK and TDKR, Dark Knight is the better movie compared to Rises. I never understood the hate for Rises though. As a Batman fan I enjoyed the movie.
Regarding your statement that Nolan does not understand the core of Bruce/Batman:
As far as not understanding the character, I equate the same thing that Netflix doesn’t understand the Punisher character. Punisher and Batman are very much alike and their sole purpose in life is their devotion to the mission they put themselves on. They’re both driven and are obsessed. Punisher quitting and burning his Punisher vest in episode one of his show is the same as Bruce giving up his mantle as Batman willingly to live a happy life. That is not their character and time and time they have demonstrated they would rather die than to give up on their mission.
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A willing suspension of disbelief was always a must going in, so yeah complaining about one's own erroneous expectations of the genre trope, seems odd.
As to the mask deception, done right It's always been more than just a single "mask", the other was also embodying an alter ego persona so disconnected and far to the contrary, that even right in front of you, you'd never connect the two.
As to the mask deception, done right It's always been more than just a single "mask", the other was also embodying an alter ego persona so disconnected and far to the contrary, that even right in front of you, you'd never connect the two.
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Iv never watched it but now I want tooI like Mask of Zorro better than the Dark Knight Trilogy.
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People complaining about TDKR not respecting the core of the comics don't seem to have read enough comics.
Blake - who is clearly an amalgam of the first three comic-book Robins - recognizing Batman immediately is a perfect echo of Tim Drake recognizing Batman (or rather, Robin) nearly instantly when seeing him in action.
Batman trusting Blake, based on little information but recognizing his inner character, is also par for the course - he did the same with Jason Todd and Tim Drake. He's even done it erroneously, with Jean-Paul Valley.
Batman willing to retire to a happy life, after handing the mantle to someone else, is also from the comics, when he was fine doing the same after his recovery in Knightfall.
Even this isn't quite true. If you look at the dialog in TDKR, it's clear that Bruce's disappearance was several years after Batman's.
Blake - who is clearly an amalgam of the first three comic-book Robins - recognizing Batman immediately is a perfect echo of Tim Drake recognizing Batman (or rather, Robin) nearly instantly when seeing him in action.
Batman trusting Blake, based on little information but recognizing his inner character, is also par for the course - he did the same with Jason Todd and Tim Drake. He's even done it erroneously, with Jean-Paul Valley.
Batman willing to retire to a happy life, after handing the mantle to someone else, is also from the comics, when he was fine doing the same after his recovery in Knightfall.
Even this isn't quite true. If you look at the dialog in TDKR, it's clear that Bruce's disappearance was several years after Batman's.
I like Thor Love and Thunder better than the Mask of ZorroI like Mask of Zorro better than the Dark Knight Trilogy.
It has been a while since I saw Rises, the only thing I remembered was that it is set 8 years after Harvey Dents death and that Batman and Bruce disappeared from the public.haytil
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It's an easy mistake to make and a common misconception. You have to pay close attention to the dialog to see the discrepancy between the disappearances and reconstruct the entire timeline.
I think as audience members, because we already know Batman is Bruce Wayne, when our brain hears "8 years" multiple times, "Batman vanished" multiple times, and "Bruce became a recluse" multiple times, it just instantly mashes them all together as a single, connected event without parsing the differences in the details. We already know we're looking at a forest, so we just see the forest and don't see the trees.
I think as audience members, because we already know Batman is Bruce Wayne, when our brain hears "8 years" multiple times, "Batman vanished" multiple times, and "Bruce became a recluse" multiple times, it just instantly mashes them all together as a single, connected event without parsing the differences in the details. We already know we're looking at a forest, so we just see the forest and don't see the trees.
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I think Rocket is talking about Batman Begins, not TDKR.
Bruce is thought to be dead, then he comes back to Gotham out of nowhere, then suddenly, Batman appears. Both Bruce Wayne and Batman appear as big stories simultaneously making the front page and evening news.
Bruce is thought to be dead, then he comes back to Gotham out of nowhere, then suddenly, Batman appears. Both Bruce Wayne and Batman appear as big stories simultaneously making the front page and evening news.
I like Mask of Zorro better than the Dark Knight Trilogy.
Hey Fabio, we were indeed talking about Rises.
Guess I didn’t read enough Batman comics to know the core of the character to know what I’m talking about…
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Really? You want to do the dick-measuring contest thing?
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Guys, western superheroes are mosaic characters, interpreted and re-interpreted by every writer, artist, and editor who lands on the book. Readers pick up on different aspects of these as more or less important to them. There's no need to get weird and start beefing over it.
Nice collection, and I wasn’t trying to do a “dick measuring” contest, but I’ve read as much Batman comics as you or the next guy. My pic is to show that I’ve read plenty of Batman comics, I’ve got box loads of single issues too. So for you to say I didn’t read enough Batman comics is almost insulting.
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