1/6 Hot Toys - MMS284 - Avengers: AoU - Ultron Prime Collectible Figure

[ronri]

The "face" probably doesn't look the same because of the vibranium coating which gives the impression that Ultron Prime is wearing a helmet/covering on his face.

 

[Motuxmen]

The face isn't the same. He has huge cheekbones and the eyes are different. I prefer Prime.

They are the same. Some photos may not look the same. Some art pure Cgi. Some are blended prac and cgi. And some are early unfinished cgi and some are later(between the trailers and covers and merch).

But in the film he does not get a new head. Or a new body. He coats his prime body with vibranium. So whatever his finished prime body looks like, the ultimate will essentially be the same.

Comparing a sculpted toy to a line/pencil art drawing to a cgi render to a computer drawing to early art to protos is why there appears to be ten unique looks. There's essentially two versions of ultron. Mk1 and the later. Call it prime for now. Ultimate (as its called here/now) is an upgraded (by coating it with Vibranium) prime. Not a new body.

So again. Same head.

 

[toycrypt]

Man I've been saying it's the eyebrows. Thanks for doing that photoshop as it confirms what I have been saying all along. Cheers fellas, lets hope Hot Toys fixes that before release.

 

[SNIKT1950]

They are the same. Some photos may not look the same. Some art pure Cgi. Some are blended prac and cgi. And some are early unfinished cgi and some are later(between the trailers and covers and merch).

But in the film he does not get a new head. Or a new body. He coats his prime body with vibranium. So whatever his finished prime body looks like, the ultimate will essentially be the same.

Comparing a sculpted toy to a line/pencil art drawing to a cgi render to a computer drawing to early art to protos is why there appears to be ten unique looks. There's essentially two versions of ultron. Mk1 and the later. Call it prime for now. Ultimate (as its called here/now) is an upgraded (by coating it with Vibranium) prime. Not a new body.

So again. Same head.

Not the same.

From what I see:

-The bridge for where the nose would be is smaller
-Cheekbones are very pronounced
-Eyebrows are stronger
-Eyes seem smaller

 

[ebro42]

Actually, all of you guys are right in regards to the fixes on Ultron's face. It's a combination of things, 1) The head and neck are too small in proportion to his body. 2) The lines around his mouth are too thick, they need to be hairline thin, and 3) The eyebrows definitely need to be more curved for that menacing affect. I hope a HT rep is checking out this thread! It will be extremely well done with these fixes!

 

[ronri]

Actually, all of you guys are right in regards to the fixes on Ultron's face. It's a combination of things, 1) The head and neck are too small in proportion to his body. 2) The lines around his mouth are too thick, they need to be hairline thin, and 3) The eyebrows definitely need to be more curved for that menacing affect. I hope a HT rep is checking out this thread! It will be extremely well done with these fixes!

This is pretty much a clean-cut explanation of all the main changes that need to be made.

 

[Dave_W]

Not the same.

From what I see:

-The bridge for where the nose would be is smaller
-Cheekbones are very pronounced
-Eyebrows are stronger
-Eyes seem smaller

Imagine the Prime head but with an Ultimate mask over the top. It's still the Prime head underneath those larger eye holes.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Imagine the Prime head but with an Ultimate mask over the top. It's still the Prime head underneath those larger eye holes.

That still doesn't change the fact that Ultron Prime's face is different from Ultimate Ultron's - which was the point of discussion. Mask or not, its a different mug on the A.I.

 

[Motuxmen]

Not the same.

From what I see:

-The bridge for where the nose would be is smaller
-Cheekbones are very pronounced
-Eyebrows are stronger
-Eyes seem smaller

I explained why the numerous shots all have differences. Do you really think he would get deeper inset eyes and more lines on his face and that's so significant as to warrant him looking in the mirror and going. Dang, I'm no longer prime, I am now "ultimate ultron"? Lol really?

Those two images are different lighting, area, angle movement. No idea if one is early cgi footage over later. And if you don't think something as simple as angle can make it appear his features are different..take a few photos of yourself at different angles in different light. One photo you will have a bigger nose, another your eyes will appear more sunken or raised, and so on.

It's the same face. Even if there are difference between the source material. Some of it is early cgi that's not finished (polished, any changes) versus later cgi. Some is blended cgi and practical effects (guy in a costume with cgi effect fill in IE iron man/RDJ). Some is just a guy in costume. When the cgi model is interacting with actors (choking thor, fighting Cap) that will be another file and unique blend. This is why there are differences. When they create these characters the make sure if there is an evolution it is obvious and pronounced. Ie ultron mk1 to prime. 90% of the people watching would not notice if the differences where the ones you listed. It would be a complete and total waste of time and money for the studio.

Could there be subtle differences in the images and trailers. Yes. In fact I'm sure there are. I explained how and why that happens. But that's not becuase ones prime and ones ultimate. They could both be prime or both be ultimate. Or one prime and one ultimate. Or any combination. But, those are not there to distinguish one "character" from the other. It's a by product of film production. The ultimate ultron is just ultron prime coated in vibranium. So, same head. Same face.

 

[SNIKT1950]

It's the same face.

Dude, you're blind.

And "different angles/lighting/unfinished CG"? No, both capped from the same trailer in 1080p.

Look at the faces, I refuse to believe you can't see the differences.

*Edit, just looked back through the thread, you've been struggling with this for some time. He's altered his face via the Vibranium and everyone else can spot it, man.

 

[SNIKT1950]

They're blatantly obvious here, the differences between Prime and Ultimate's face designs.

 

[Brainiac]

Calm Cool Calculating Prime
Hyper Crazy Super freaked coked up chipmunk Ultimate

 

[Motuxmen]

Dude, you're blind.

And "different angles/lighting/unfinished CG"? No, both capped from the same trailer in 1080p.

Look at the faces, I refuse to believe you can't see the differences.

*Edit, just looked back through the thread, you've been struggling with this for some time. He's altered his face via the Vibranium and everyone else can spot it, man.

Again...as I've said over and over....it's not that I don't see differences...it's that they don't mean one is prime and one is ultimate. Do me a favor and show me the scene where they are wearing name tags.

Explain to me how any of the things I explained could not be the reason?

I didn't just say angles. Or lighting. I was explaining how there is not a single screen grab where the heads look the same. So, since you have now shown three seperate heads, and none of them are identical in appearance should I then assume there is mk1, prime, ultimate, and the before unknown version called chipmunk? Or there's even a four..wait, now I've found a fifth and sixth example (yes, go back and look there's even more then that) version if subtle variations in screen grabs, covers, trailers, TV spots and so on mean each one is a different version.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Again...as I've said over and over....it's not that I don't see differences...it's that they don't mean one is prime and one is ultimate. Do me a favor and show me the scene where they are wearing name tags.

Explain to me how any of the things I explained could not be the reason?

I didn't just say angles. Or lighting. I was explaining how there is not a single screen grab where the heads look the same. So, since you have now shown three seperate heads, and none of them are identical in appearance should I then assume there is mk1, prime, ultimate, and the before unknown version called chipmunk? Or there's even a four..wait, now I've found a fifth and sixth example (yes, go back and look there's even more then that) version if subtle variations in screen grabs, covers, trailers, TV spots and so on mean each one is a different version.

No, I showed you two because there are only two - Prime and Ultimate. Each design is easily distinguishable. If you can't tell the two apart or you believe they're just different angles of the same thing, I don't know what to tell you. Just look at the comparison shots I posted - which might as well have name tags.

Given the significant differences between the two, it wouldn't shock me if HT released Ultimate down the line.

 

[Motuxmen]

No, I showed you two because there are only two - Prime and Ultimate. Each design is easily distinguishable. If you can't tell the two apart or you believe they're just different angles of the same thing, I don't know what to tell you. Just look at the comparison shots I posted - which might as well have name tags.

Given the significant differences between the two, it wouldn't shock me if HT released Ultimate down the line.

You posted three, not two.

And there are four or five others used. All with differences.

The first two you posted. I addressed reasons why they may appear different(cgi progression or unfinished or just plain design change, part Pract shot part cgi ect) and your response was "no from same trailer". Which means nothing. Trailers are cobbled together footage. And even if it where all shot on the same day at the same time and then all the cgi added and polished all at once by the same artist..my explanation still works. (Which they where not all done at same time even in same trailer)

Then you posted a third unique photo.









That's 8 heads all with changes. Four of those photos are the ones you posted. All four are different in some way. I posted others just to make my point. One has the antena things reversed even. (The one where he's blasting someone) All screen grabs. I have five or six more. So, are there a dozen versions of ultron? Or, do you think maybe I had a point?

 

[ronri]

I think there's just some silly miscommunication going on here.

Motuxmen, I don't think anyone denied that it's Ultron Prime underneath. I recognize that you're saying how in-universe, it's the same body. The differences that SNIKT1950 is talking about is the design/appearance. You know, the visual cues that separate the two from non-vibranium-coated to vibranium-coated.

Not a different body. Not a different "character". But a different visual design/appearance. It's clear that Ultron Prime's design/appearance looks markedly different with the vibranium finish (that head shot of the two designs are practically night and day there) and that's all they're trying to say. People are only using identifiers such as "Prime" and "Ultimate" to distinguish between the two designs, not necessarily saying they're two separate bodies altogether.

Calm Cool Calculating Prime
Hyper Crazy Super freaked coked up chipmunk Ultimate

Prime looks magnificent and calm there. Ultimate looks like he's really excited to tear someone apart.

 

[Motuxmen]

I think there's just some miscommunication going on here. Motuxmen, no one is saying that it's not Ultron Prime underneath. I recognize that you're saying how in-universe, it's the same body. The differences that SNIKT1950 is talking about is the design/appearance. You know, the visual cues that separate the two from non-vibranium-coated to vibranium-coated. Not a different body. Not a different "character". But a different design/appearance. It's clear that Ultron Prime's design/appearance looks markedly different with the vibranium finish (that head shot of the two designs are practically night and day there) and that's all they're trying to say.

No I get it. But my point is, we have no idea if the differences in the photos are becuase one is ultimate and one is prime. It could be the reasons I've stated. I can tell you that the four heads/ultron he used(the two side by sides) are different becuase two are cgi heads and two are actors in costume. The two darker images, the chipmunk head and the one with the left arm raised. Both of those are practical effects. The other two are both full cgi renders.

As I've stated, we do not know those differences are indication of a character change. Indication one is prime and one is ultimate. (Pre/post vibranium). It is equally as probable that the differences are because of the reasons I stated. Some are fully fleshed out and finished cgi renders. Some are practical(guy in costume on set). Some are practical with enhanced cgi effects. Some are early cgi renders that where not completed or changed.

All of those photos I posted where used in this thread to show the difference between ultimate and prime. But there 8 heads all with some level of difference between them. Which means (and I found 5 or 6 others as well) we either have nearly a dozen ultron variations, or these differences are mostly due to what I said, and there is no way to know if one is prime and one is ultimate.

 

[Dave_W]

Hang on, some of those images are a practical suit? (obviously the bright chrome one from Clever Movies is) I thought Ultron would be totally CG, with the practical stuff only used for lighting reference.

 

[Motuxmen]

Hang on, some of those images are a practical suit? (obviously the bright chrome one from Clever Movies is) I thought Ultron would be totally CG, with the practical stuff only used for lighting reference.

Yes. From my picture post...

The top two photos....(the side by sides) the right is practiical costume. With the eyes and checks filled in

The next two (side by sides ) the right is a costume with cgi. The face has not been cgi filled. You can see the dead areas. Where it's flat in the place where the eye socket rings should be. The same with the cheek. It's most obvious if you look at his raised hand. Compare that to the bottom photos hand. You can tell in the photo it's a glove with finger covers.

Now in the movie my guess is most of these missing cgi effects will be fixed. Good chance half the trailer footage won't make the film. But, I was just addressing the photos used to "show" that there are ultimate and prime and differences and those differences are x,y, z

 

[ronri]

Yes. From my picture post...

The top two photos....(the side by sides) the right is practiical costume. With the eyes and checks filled in

The next two (side by sides ) the right is a costume with cgi. The face has not been cgi filled. You can see the dead areas. Where it's flat in the place where the eye socket rings should be. The same with the cheek. It's most obvious if you look at his raised hand. Compare that to the bottom photos hand. You can tell in the photo it's a glove with finger covers.

Now in the movie my guess is most of these missing cgi effects will be fixed. Good chance half the trailer footage won't make the film. But, I was just addressing the photos used to "show" that there are ultimate and prime and differences and those differences are x,y, z

Not a knock against your previous posts but this one (and the one you replied to me with) actually make a lot more sense and I can see where you're coming from in this regard.