"The Predator" by Shane Black (2018)

[GasparZizou]

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I don't think he means he wishes this was a remake, I think he means he wishes they make this movie stand on it's own rather than having it stand on fan service.

 

[Predator1221]

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if you are hoping for a movie that matches the first one you wish this new movie was a remake right?

and if so why even bother.

Well I don't expect it to match the original, but I would at least like for it to seem arguably as good or may i dare dream better than the original. I agree that doing a straight up remake would be ill advised.

I don't think he means he wishes this was a remake, I think he means they make this movie stand on it's own rather than having it stand of fan service.

 

[Brainiac]

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Well I don't expect it to match the original, but I would at least like for it to seem arguably as good or may i dare dream better than the original. I agree that doing a straight up remake would be ill advised.

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haha Awesome

 

[crows]

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I don't think he means he wishes this was a remake, I think he means they make this movie stand on it's own rather than having it stand of fan service.

there is no way another movie won't bring new aspects to the mythology (bastardizing it)

Whatever predator movie they make they will add something new to the predator lore. Is almost guaranteed.

The only way to have a movie where no "bastardization" to the predator happens is to pretty much do a remake or a reboot and use everything they used in the first one.

there is no other way.

 

[GasparZizou]

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That's not what bastardizing means, there are ways of adding to a lore without bastardizing it.

Which is the point of Predator's post.

That'd be like saying every child born is a bastard.

 

[Predator1221]

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That's not what bastardizing means, there are ways of adding to a lore without bastardizing it.

Which is the point of Predator's post.

That'd be like saying every child born is a bastard.

We are on the same page my friend

I would never insinuate that all forms of addition or substitution to established lore for a given property was my admission bastardizing said property. It just has to be done right. I think Aliens is a good example of this. I'm sure some Alien fans didn't like the new direction Cameron went with that film ,but for the most part we all appreciate both movies for their own merit, and both films stand as true SciFi classics. Unfortunately, I don't believe the same treatment will ever work for predator (God I hope I'm proven wrong here). I just think it's time to go back to the basics and put one predator against the very best we can offer, and be shown beyond logic or reason that its not even close to enough. The film IMO shouldn't even feel like were watching a predator movie at least not in the beginning.

I'm just spitballing here, but maybe the movie could be set in the not to distant future. The film could begin as a satire on how Americas imperialistic war tactics have crossed a line in the middle east and become a veiled brutal display of domination. The film could change pace toward a predator film when Americas seemingly unchallenged occupation finds itself being unable to hold a remote region, and as the film progresses our main characters learn that the very soldiers they think they are fighting are just as afraid of the true enemy as they are. I think this would create a situation ripe with awesome scenarios to demonstrate the predators sheer dominance. I'm just pulling this out of my a** so I hope you get where I'm going with out nitpicking what I just said to much. In the end I think something along these lines would allow the film makers to add some insight in to the predators brutal nature as a reflection of our own. This could bring some safistication that predator has been lacking at least when compared to alien.

 

[GasparZizou]

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We are on the same page my friend

I would never insinuate that all forms of addition or substitution to established lore for a given property was my admission bastardizing said property. It just has to be done right. I think Aliens is a good example of this. I'm sure some Alien fans didn't like the new direction Cameron went with that film ,but for the most part we all appreciate both movies for their own merit, and both films stand as true SciFi classics. Unfortunately, I don't believe the same treatment will ever work for predator (God I hope I'm proven wrong here). I just think it's time to go back to the basics and put one predator against the very best we can offer, and be shown beyond logic or reason that its not even close to enough. The film IMO shouldn't even feel like were watching a predator movie at least not in the beginning.

Predator even subverted the expectations at the beginning by adding some badass guerrilla scenes, distracting the audience from the Predator afterthought and them BAM, goodbye Hawkins

 

[Brainiac]

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Predator even subverted the expectations at the beginning by adding some badass guerrilla scenes, distracting the audience from the Predator afterthought and them BAM, goodbye Hawkins

Awesome post

 

[crows]

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The first Predator movie is such a classic, and IMO none of the films since have even come close to demonstrating the sheer awesomeness of the predator. I would go as far as to say that the sequels and AVP movies have actually bastardized the predator. .

Right here, right as rain. You want a movie that is like the first one where "a team of elite commando's that were the best of the best, and it took them out one by one easily like it was shopping for groceries"

AKA a remake

 

[Brainiac]

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Right here, right as rain. You want a movie that is like the first one where "a team of elite commando's that were the best of the best, and it took them out one by one easily like it was shopping for groceries"

AKA a remake

you sir have won the Internet today

 

[Predator1221]

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Right here, right as rain. You want a movie that is like the first one where "a team of elite commando's that were the best of the best, and it took them out one by one easily like it was shopping for groceries"

AKA a remake

I think your getting to bogged down on strictly defining my expectations for this film. I don't like using the term remake because it implies making a beat by beat clone copy of the original. Though I think a modernized remake of the original predator could be a cool film, the original was done so well it would seem redundant to do so. I'm just simply pointing out where I think they have gone wrong with the sequels and what I think they need to bring back to the franchise.

you sir have won the Internet today

I fail to see anything compelling in that post. He simply took a section of my post out of context and restated his assertion as if to have proven it beyond a doubt.


Sorry Brainiac, I didn't realize you were just referring to my quote in his post.

 

[crows]

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you sir have won the Internet today

credit goes to Predator1221 for that one

 

[crows]

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I'm just spitballing here, but maybe the movie could be set in the not to distant future. The film could begin as a satire on how Americas imperialistic war tactics have crossed a line in the middle east and become a veiled brutal display of domination. The film could change pace toward a predator film when Americas seemingly unchallenged occupation finds itself being unable to hold a remote region, and as the film progresses our main characters learn that the very soldiers they think they are fighting are just as afraid of the true enemy as they are. I think this would create a situation ripe with awesome scenarios to demonstrate the predators sheer dominance. I'm just pulling this out of my a** so I hope you get where I'm going with out nitpicking what I just said to much. In the end I think something along these lines would allow the film makers to add some insight in to the predators brutal nature as a reflection of our own. This could bring some safistication that predator has been lacking at least when compared to alien.

This sounds like the first movie set in the middle east instead of the Jungle

 

[Predator1221]

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This sounds like the first movie set in the middle east instead of the Jungle

I'll give you that, but I think a film with in these guidelines would be closer to a reboot. I was simply throwing a quick scenario that I think could capture what was awesome about the original and from there return to and expand on the predator lore we have grown to love over the years. I'm just pointing out something that seems very simple to me, and that is that the predator could be so much more awesome than he has been in the sequals we have received thus far. If yall's idea of contributing to this discussion is to single out anyone thing I've said as hey lets just make a carbon copy of predator and see how it works and point and laugh then I guess I'm done here for now.

 

[crows]

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I love predator 2. I don't see how Predator 2 was bad, they couldn't do another jungle movie with soldiers. Maybe the cop was too weak for the predator yes, that one I might agree with,

but everything else about predator 2 was amazing. Specially the predator and his gadgets. the scene where he heals himself is one of the best scenes of the franchise.
The first predator and the creature were amazing but the second predator was amazing as well, he had a great design and I've always loved the colors and the mask.

you might hate on AVP and predators if you want but I can't agree about the second one

 

[Predator1221]

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I love predator 2. I don't see how Predator 2 was bad, they couldn't do another jungle movie with soldiers. Maybe the cop was too weak for the predator yes, that one I might agree with,

but everything else about predator 2 was amazing. Specially the predator and his gadgets. the scene where he heals himself is one of the best scenes of the franchise.
The first predator and the creature were amazing but the second predator was amazing as well, he had a great design and I've always loved the colors and the mask.

you might hate on AVP and predators if you want but I can't agree about the second one

If you read back to one of my original posts I said that I would exclude Predator 2 from my line of criticism because I believe they did more right than wrong with that film. As you were saying I to feel a cop was not a worthy opponent, and unfortunately I think this is crucial for the overall film. Also that predator got bested by Glover very unceremoniously, and then allowed Glover to track him back to his clans ship just to be killed by his own weapon after a lame highlander inspired dual. That movie brought so much awesome lore to the table so it gets a pass in many predator fans book including my own, but it doesn't change the fact that the predator needed to be much more than it was. A mistake as I mention before I feel has been repeated in the movies since (except for Wolf of course, he was pretty boss)

I know I have been criticizing the sequels in my posts since, but I did not feel the need to clutter my posts with except Predator 2 assertions. When I think about the middle east storyline I described earlier Predator 2 comes up a lot. I could totally see the protagonists bumping elbows with forces from another superpower and exchanging notes on what they think they have come in contact with. Maybe a question could be raised as to if we were being sized up for a higher form of war and the idea of individual superpowers on earth is no longer our biggest concern. That is all very much predator 2.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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He's the best cop L.A. has ever seen, and the predator hunting him was much younger and less skilled than the one in the first film. Problem solved.

 

[crows]

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Danny Glover is not even a bad actor. I can understand people hating predator 2 if they made Gary Busey the main guy or something like that, but hating on a guy because he is not a body builder?
people in the 90s were ridiculous. Same crap that people hated Adrien Brody for the third one.

Ever since Arnold everyone expects these guys to be mountains. What people don't even understand is that most of Dutch's group were smaller guys. Billy and Poncho were not big at all.

for me Danny Glover sold it, not in physique but in attitude. He was the craziest guy in the force and he didn't hold back, what he didn't have in strength he made up in attitude.

People hate Harrigan for being weak but no one ever says a word about Kyle Reese going after a Terminator machine, people be crazy.

 

[Collectorcol]

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Who's hating on Glover?
Can't be arsed reading through arguments on potential film scripts.
I'd rather just wait and see.

 

[Predator1221]

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He's the best cop L.A. has ever seen, and the predator hunting him was much younger and less skilled than the one in the first film. Problem solved.

We have all had this discussion one way or another before. and what you said here is absolutely true and its been said a million times. I just hope that the next movie does not come up with any reason for the predator to be anything less than a seasoned warrior that is seemingly unstoppable despite all our best efforts.

Danny Glover is not even a bad actor. I can understand people hating predator 2 if they made Gary Busey the main guy or something like that, but hating on a guy because he is not a body builder?
people in the 90s were ridiculous. Same crap that people hated Adrien Brody for the third one.

Ever since Arnold everyone expects these guys to be mountains. What people don't even understand is that most of Dutch's group were smaller guys. Billy and Poncho were not big at all.

for me Danny Glover sold it, not in physique but in attitude. He was the craziest guy in the force and he didn't hold back, what he didn't have in strength he made up in attitude.

People hate Harrigan for being weak but no one ever says a word about Kyle Reese going after a Terminator machine, people be crazy.

I hope your speaking generally here and not about my posts, because I actually agree with most of this. The original predator was made during the glory days of Arnolds one man army commando days. It took Arnold in his prime and added a cool scifi twist to what seemed like Commando 2 at first. I think people are clinging to that aspect of the movie to much when they throw out names like the Rock and Vin Diesel for a new predator movie. In reality the whole, cigar chomping, one man army thing just doesn't work any more. As far as Glover goes, I have liked him in almost everything I've seen him in. He brings a very believable grit to his characters.