She couldn't live without Facebook

[fosing]

^nah, they become neck chokers. LOLz

 

[crows]

Breastfeeding zealots are even worse in person than in Facebook. Try telling a La Leche League nazi in the maternity unit that you've decided to bottle feed your newborn. I'd recommend arming yourself first ... because they're not leaving unless you put 'em on a stretcher.

SnakeDoc

I fully support breastfeeding 100 Percent. (but only because I get to see boobs in public )

 

[Eli26]

I fully support breastfeeding 100 Percent. (but only because I get to see boobs in public )

At least you're honest.

 

[crows]

At least you're honest.

yeah but they don't know that Everyone thinks Im just really supportive for the cause lol

 

[devilof76]

You tamper with human survival, undermining the mechanism of nature as if your ego knows better than tens of thousands of years of human evolution.
If breastfeeding isn't possible, you do what you can, but suggesting that a bottle is as good as breastfeeding is absurd.
Even your argument about the health and bonding of your children isn't scientific, because you don't know how much better off they would have been had they been breastfed even in your particular situation.

Bottlefeeding in lieu of breastfeeding is to play God as if somehow you or the inventors of formula understand a baby's nutritional needs as well as nature for tens of thousands of years. It is arrogant and short sighted.
The argument you make is so ludicrous, illogical and without long term proof, that it has no real merit.

The kind of argument you know intimately.

Formula was developed as a surrogate for breast milk. Some are crap. Some are not. The difference is negligible.

**** off with your god, k? There isn't one (unless you'd like to produce some kind of ludicrous, illogical argument with neither long, nor short term proof, upon which to construct your horse**** edifices), and your proselytizing has long since begun to border upon elitist bigotry. You want to talk about arrogance, I dare you to cast another stone.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

You tamper with human survival, undermining the mechanism of nature as if your ego knows better than tens of thousands of years of human evolution.
If breastfeeding isn't possible, you do what you can, but suggesting that a bottle is as good as breastfeeding is absurd.
Even your argument about the health and bonding of your children isn't scientific, because you don't know how much better off they would have been had they been breastfed even in your particular situation.

Bottlefeeding in lieu of breastfeeding is to play God as if somehow you or the inventors of formula understand a baby's nutritional needs as well as nature for tens of thousands of years. It is arrogant and short sighted.
The argument you make is so ludicrous, illogical and without long term proof, that it has no real merit.

Like I said originally, they won't leave unless you put 'em on a stretcher. There's little utility in arguing with zealots. Apparently "save your evangelism for a more welcoming audience [...] I've heard it before, and I don't care" was more vague than I anticipated.

I don't need a scientific study to know that my kids are happy, healthy, top-of-their-class intelligent, and as bonded with their mother as any could ever hope to be. That's all the proof I need to know that women who don't breastfeed for whatever reason need not take a beating and have their mothering questioned by know-it-all lactation evangelists.

Formula-feeding is no more arrogant or short-sighted than is any advancement in childbirth or infant care. There's a reason death during childbirth and infant mortality are lower now than in past centuries ... and lower in the first world than in the third. Those "mechanisms of nature", when not "messed with", aren't always the panacea that you imagine. My wife needed c-sections and couldn't breastfeed ... so I know for a fact how much worse off we'd have been without medical advancements in childbirth and infant formula. They'd all have likely died in earlier millenia. "Mechanisms of nature" can be quite the heartless *****.

I'm not playing God. I'm being Dad. Parent your own kids, if you have any ... and, if you don't, spare me the pee wee league parenting advice.

SnakeDoc

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Welcome to the very first truely **** generation of people.

You know how forever people were like this new generation sucks. For the first time ever it really is true.

This generation grew up on the internet and has no social interaction skills. They don't know how to deal with or talk to real people so they have no connection to them or feeling for them. They don't care about anyone but themselves and see everything in life as a contest to outdo everyone else who shows off on social media. Music has no meaning anymore at all, even the rap people hated in the 90s told a story. Now acceptable lyrics are "*** and titties, *** and titties" for 4 minutes straight. Movies are remakes of everything with way less heart and soul. You get famous by being simply being naked in public or doing a porn and than we put that person on television and envy their life of arguing over whos cell phone or fake **** are better. Idiocracy is coming true and it isn't funny.

Totally agree with you 100% This is the medication nation. "I have social anxiety so instead of putting on my big boy pants and facing my fears to learn how to cope with it I need medication and a timeout card from class."(my cousin has this so I know it's happening out there)

so sad to read about things like this. What a waste. I can't believe children on this generation use facebook and youtube as their means of espressing themselves. They lack social interpersonal interaction.

And what is up with using cards with writings on youtube? I swear this generation has used more cue cards than anyone.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I'm so sick of that whole breastfeeding thing. Sick of the debate. I'm sorry, but you don't need to walk through a store breastfeeding your kid. You don't need to be doing it at the table at a restaurant either.

I could go on, but I'll shut up.

It's awesome to hear this from a woman. I almost got stoned when I said this in a restaurant a while ago. I'm not opposed to it, but there are places that it is not appropriate in front of other people. And I definitely don't want to look up to see this whir I"m eating dinner.

 

[BadMoon]

Like I said originally, they won't leave unless you put 'em on a stretcher. There's little utility in arguing with zealots. Apparently "save your evangelism for a more welcoming audience [...] I've heard it before, and I don't care" was more vague than I anticipated.

I don't need a scientific study to know that my kids are happy, healthy, top-of-their-class intelligent, and as bonded with their mother as any could ever hope to be. That's all the proof I need to know that women who don't breastfeed for whatever reason need not take a beating and have their mothering questioned by know-it-all lactation evangelists.

Formula-feeding is no more arrogant or short-sighted than is any advancement in childbirth or infant care. There's a reason death during childbirth and infant mortality are lower now than in past centuries ... and lower in the first world than in the third. Those "mechanisms of nature", when not "messed with", aren't always the panacea that you imagine. My wife needed c-sections and couldn't breastfeed ... so I know for a fact how much worse off we'd have been without medical advancements in childbirth and infant formula. They'd all have likely died in earlier millenia. "Mechanisms of nature" can be quite the heartless *****.

I'm not playing God. I'm being Dad. Parent your own kids, if you have any ... and, if you don't, spare me the pee wee league parenting advice.

SnakeDoc

Well said. I don't bother responding to nonesense. Thanks for doing it.

 

[Blackthornone]

The kind of argument you know intimately.

Formula was developed as a surrogate for breast milk. Some are crap. Some are not. The difference is negligible.

**** off with your god, k? There isn't one (unless you'd like to produce some kind of ludicrous, illogical argument with neither long, nor short term proof, upon which to construct your horse**** edifices), and your proselytizing has long since begun to border upon elitist bigotry. You want to talk about arrogance, I dare you to cast another stone.

I wasn't talking about my God. I was talking about playing God, which means twisting the laws of nature to suit your ego, which has nothing to do with religion.

The difference between breast milk and formula is far from negligible. I mentioned the studies before that proved that cow's milk formula causes type 1 diabetes. Breast milk does not.

The implication that breast milk is not best suggests that human beings know as much about human biology as nature does, which it doesn't. The idea that there is no difference suggests that nature made women to have breasts as purely decorative and only for the sensual gratification of men.
Every species breast milk is designed specifically to be the best nutrition for it's babies. That is basic biology.
Nature has been doing for as long as humans have existed and humans have been making substitutes for a couple hundred years maybe, as if somehow humanity could know everything about breast milk.

Nature knows everything about it. Human beings don't.

 

[Blackthornone]

Like I said originally, they won't leave unless you put 'em on a stretcher. There's little utility in arguing with zealots. Apparently "save your evangelism for a more welcoming audience [...] I've heard it before, and I don't care" was more vague than I anticipated.

I don't need a scientific study to know that my kids are happy, healthy, top-of-their-class intelligent, and as bonded with their mother as any could ever hope to be. That's all the proof I need to know that women who don't breastfeed for whatever reason need not take a beating and have their mothering questioned by know-it-all lactation evangelists.

Formula-feeding is no more arrogant or short-sighted than is any advancement in childbirth or infant care. There's a reason death during childbirth and infant mortality are lower now than in past centuries ... and lower in the first world than in the third. Those "mechanisms of nature", when not "messed with", aren't always the panacea that you imagine. My wife needed c-sections and couldn't breastfeed ... so I know for a fact how much worse off we'd have been without medical advancements in childbirth and infant formula. They'd all have likely died in earlier millenia. "Mechanisms of nature" can be quite the heartless *****.

I'm not playing God. I'm being Dad. Parent your own kids, if you have any ... and, if you don't, spare me the pee wee league parenting advice.

SnakeDoc

If a woman can't breast feed, and formula is all you can provide, then you do your best and provide it. That is perfectly understandable.
That was not the implication of your argument, though. You said there was no difference, and that formula was just as good, which is false, and has been proven by SCIENCE, which I referred to before regarding type 1 diabetes from cow's milk based formula. Milk is a species specific food.
Reaching for formula when a mother can't breastfeed is not playing God, it is being a dad, but that wasn't the implication of your posts.

Infant formula is not part of the reason why infant mortality has dropped. The reason is improved sanitation.

In fact, there were cases in which there were strikes at hospitals forcing mothers to give birth at home instead, and the infant mortality rate significantly went DOWN.
Robert Mendelsohn, M.D. wrote about that in his book, confessions of a Medical Heretic.
Doctors treat childbirth as a disease and often use heroic methods where they are not warranted, resulting in unnecessary iatrogenic deaths, which has been proven to be the case in general, when conventional doctors are not involved. Of course there are exceptions in which a doctor's help is life saving, but that is actually the exception.

Actually, studies show that when doctors strike, the mortality rate actually goes DOWN.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/95876312/Doctor-s-Strikes-and-Mortality

 

[Blackthornone]

Well said. I don't bother responding to nonesense. Thanks for doing it.

Speaking of nonsense, it seems you share that yourself. NONEsense.

 

[The Ween]

It's awesome to hear this from a woman. I almost got stoned when I said this in a restaurant a while ago. I'm not opposed to it, but there are places that it is not appropriate in front of other people. And I definitely don't want to look up to see this whir I"m eating dinner.

I don't have a problem with breastfeeding at all, but do it with discretion. I've seen woman nursing babies at stores while they shop and they're drooling all over. Can you imagine that in a clothing store? I've seen women pop their tit out to a toddler at the mall.

Yes it's a natural thing and the best thing to do, but think about the people around you for just a second.

 

[The Ween]

I can't, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't know about breastfeeding.

The fact that some women can't breastfeed doesn't mean that breastfeeding isn't the best way to feed a baby. It just means that they can't do it.
Not everyone can do things the best.

Breastfeeding is how human beings have been raised for thousands of years, and it would be unwise to tamper with human evolution or tamper with long term survival by feeding from a bottle of fortified cow's milk, or even soy milk if the teat is available, and a mother can produce wholesome milk.

What you know is what you can find on the internet.

This whole idea that bottle feeding kids makes them retarded or less likely to amount to anything pisses me off, and I was breast fed.

Breast feed your kid all you want, but let others decide what's best for them. It's no one's business, but breastfeeding your 2 or 3 year old in the middle of the store makes it everyone's business.

 

[Blackthornone]

What you know is what you can find on the internet.

This whole idea that bottle feeding kids makes them retarded or less likely to amount to anything pisses me off, and I was breast fed.

Breast feed your kid all you want, but let others decide what's best for them. It's no one's business, but breastfeeding your 2 or 3 year old in the middle of the store makes it everyone's business.

I knew about the importance of breastfeeding before the internet.

Retarded is a strong word, which would have a relative meaning. Retard growth? Considering that formula would lack human growth hormone that breastmilk has, yes, it would retard growth.
How much? Very difficult to say. I don't know. However, since breast milk has growth hormone and always has, to not provide it would logically retard growth. It would have to. How much is another question. If no breast milk is available, needless to say you do what you can. What I object to is the idea that there is no difference between breast milk and formula. It is unscientific and totally false.
It formula is soy based, it won't cause type 1 diabetes, but it still isn't as good as breastmilk. It's much CLOSER to the nutrition of breastmilk than anything else, because it was DESIGNED to approximate breastmilk. The genuine article is almost always best. That is especially true of breast milk. Formula is an impostor, worse than a recast of a Sideshow statue.
Less likely to amount to ANYTHING? The spirit can overcome much with enough determination. Being bottle fed won't prevent someone from amounting to anything, but logically, it would make it more difficult.

As far as breastfeeding in public, I think discretion is important.
However, if a baby is hungry in public and needs food, to not breastfeed is worse than breastfeeding. It says something about society that breastfeeding in public, or even viewing it at all is viewed as unsightly. Perhaps it is a result of the marketing strategy of the formula companies.

Should a mother breastfeed at home instead? Certainly. However, perhaps the mother needs to go out to the store or for some vital errand. To penalize a woman for breastfeeding in public is fascist.

It might also be a result of the unnatural shame put on sexuality, or anything perceived as such. There should be nothing taboo about breastfeeding in public. As a society, if we are to support the healthiest population, breastfeeding in public should be accepted by all who claim to have a vested interest in the well being of humanity.

No technology will ever be as good as a mechanism made by nature for a specific purpose, ever. There will never be a formula as good as breastmilk. This is because the human intellect is limited, and will always miss something from the formula. Many vital nutrients oxidize quite quickly, and so if you could develop formula, there would need to be preservatives in it, which by themselves would be harmful.
All food preservatives are harmful, except to the profits of food companies, or unless you NEED EMERGENCY food stores to help you survive in a crisis.

Fresh is always best...


Formulas can be excellent baby nutrition, but breastmilk is inherently PERFECT baby nutrition.
Of course, perfect is better than excellent.

 

[Lejuan]

It's awesome to hear this from a woman. I almost got stoned when I said this in a restaurant a while ago. I'm not opposed to it, but there are places that it is not appropriate in front of other people. And I definitely don't want to look up to see this whir I"m eating dinner.

Meh. If a place is good enough for adults to eat in it should be good enough for infants to eat in too. Some mothers get all political about it and pop out a tit to make a statement to others - but mostly, at least in Australia, breastfeeding is seen as a completely natural and practical act. What do you expect a breastfeeding mother to do? Stay away from eating out unless she can get a babysitter? Duck outside to feed her baby on the street? If people have a problem with watching an infant having a discreet feed in the same venue they happen to be eating in... I don't know, maybe they should pay more attention to what's on their own plate.

 

[The Ween]

I had a whole thing typed up and when I submitted it screwed up.

Anyway, discretion isn't what these women want, that's the problem. No one cared before because they used little blankets to cover themselves. Now you're bad if you bottle feed and they should be able to feed their 5 year old in public without covering up.

 

[The Ween]

I knew about the importance of breastfeeding before the internet.

Retarded is a strong word, which would have a relative meaning. Retard growth? Considering that formula would lack human growth hormone that breastmilk has, yes, it would retard growth.
How much? Very difficult to say. I don't know. However, since breast milk has growth hormone and always has, to not provide it would logically retard growth. It would have to. How much is another question. If no breast milk is available, needless to say you do what you can. What I object to is the idea that there is no difference between breast milk and formula. It is unscientific and totally false.
It formula is soy based, it won't cause type 1 diabetes, but it still isn't as good as breastmilk. It's much CLOSER to the nutrition of breastmilk than anything else, because it was DESIGNED to approximate breastmilk. The genuine article is almost always best. That is especially true of breast milk. Formula is an impostor, worse than a recast of a Sideshow statue.
Less likely to amount to ANYTHING? The spirit can overcome much with enough determination. Being bottle fed won't prevent someone from amounting to anything, but logically, it would make it more difficult.

As far as breastfeeding in public, I think discretion is important.
However, if a baby is hungry in public and needs food, to not breastfeed is worse than breastfeeding. It says something about society that breastfeeding in public, or even viewing it at all is viewed as unsightly. Perhaps it is a result of the marketing strategy of the formula companies.

Should a mother breastfeed at home instead? Certainly. However, perhaps the mother needs to go out to the store or for some vital errand. To penalize a woman for breastfeeding in public is fascist.

It might also be a result of the unnatural shame put on sexuality, or anything perceived as such. There should be nothing taboo about breastfeeding in public. As a society, if we are to support the healthiest population, breastfeeding in public should be accepted by all who claim to have a vested interest in the well being of humanity.

No technology will ever be as good as a mechanism made by nature for a specific purpose, ever. There will never be a formula as good as breastmilk. This is because the human intellect is limited, and will always miss something from the formula. Many vital nutrients oxidize quite quickly, and so if you could develop formula, there would need to be preservatives in it, which by themselves would be harmful.
All food preservatives are harmful, except to the profits of food companies, or unless you NEED EMERGENCY food stores to help you survive in a crisis.

Fresh is always best...


Formulas can be excellent baby nutrition, but breastmilk is inherently PERFECT baby nutrition.
Of course, perfect is better than excellent.

I'm using their words. That kids that are bottle fed are less intelligent and unhealthy and some use the word retarded.

No one is saying they shouldn't breast feed. They just shouldn't be telling others that don't that they should.

 

[BadMoon]

Speaking of nonsense, it seems you share that yourself. NONEsense.

Awesome. I hope you are relieved.

 

[Blackthornone]

I'm using their words. That kids that are bottle fed are less intelligent and unhealthy and some use the word retarded.

No one is saying they shouldn't breast feed. They just shouldn't be telling others that don't that they should.

Everyone SHOULD breastfeed if they can, because it is nature's design, that is the way that humanity and every other mammal evolved by. The validity of breastfeeding is beyond question across all mammals.
If a woman cannot breastfeed, then she should do the best she can.

The problem is that people have bought into the marketing of the formula companies to believe that there is no difference between breastfeeding and formula, all so that formula companies can make more money, at the expense of human health.

Because breast milk can be put into bottles to be used in situations when the mother can't breastfeed the baby, you can have bottle feeding without using formula.

No technology will ever be better than breast milk for babies. Any idea to the contrary is motivated by profit and a misunderstanding of the perfection of breast feeding.

this leads people to use formula out of convenience or vanity because they had breast implants and therefore cannot breast feed.

As I said, if there is a real reason why a mother cannot produce enough healthy milk, only then should alternatives be sought out. To not breastfeed when one can is basically a form of child neglect, if not child abuse. It is to willfully neglect a woman's fundamental obligation to be a good mother. Any woman who could do it who would not should never get pregnant.

By the same token, anyone who doesn't have it in them to do everything that is best to raise a healthy child should not have children.
Poor people can't afford to have children.
Speaking of people who don't have it in them to raise children properly, this brings us back to the original story of this thread. The parents of this person really had no business having children. They were incompetent and clearly unwilling to commit 100% to good parenting. They did not know how to parent, and should have refrained from having any until such time as they were if they ever could be.