New Star Wars Hot Toys?

[mfoga]

This BS about HT only doing figures that SS has already done is crap... So what about Leia? So HT can't touch anything Leia from ESB? What about Endor? Lame...

Why would you let a company take money that you could be making. From a business stance it makes complete sense.

 

[Invictus Sol]

Why would you let a company take money that you could be making. From a business stance it makes complete sense.

I think that depends. Honestly I'd be surprised if it's as cut-and-dry as HT under no circumstances being allowed to do a character unless it's from SSC's past and in need of an update (as someone mentioned, SSC has never done a battle-damaged Bespin Luke).

SSC has to know that if they, for example, prevent HT from making a Leia so that they can do their own, then that Leia is going to be compared to HT's best work and if it's lacking in any way, they're going to be trashed and the figure probably will tank.

Really it'd be smarter for SSC (since honestly I can't see them competing with HT on the paint apps) to either let HT do the release of the human characters and take a cut, or work on the figure in concert, letting HT do the headscult/paint or learning from HT's production methods so that they can produce something of the same quality.

Basically, hoarding characters can cut both ways. It's great for SSC if they're able to match HT's quality but not so much if collectors find the sculpt and paint apps lacking.

 

[lerath666]

I think that depends. Honestly I'd be surprised if it's as cut-and-dry as HT under no circumstances being allowed to do a character unless it's from SSC's past and in need of an update (as someone mentioned, SSC has never done a battle-damaged Bespin Luke).

SSC has to know that if they, for example, prevent HT from making a Leia so that they can do their own, then that Leia is going to be compared to HT's best work and if it's lacking in any way, they're going to be trashed and the figure probably will tank.

Really it'd be smarter for SSC (since honestly I can't see them competing with HT on the paint apps) to either let HT do the release of the human characters and take a cut, or work on the figure in concert, letting HT do the headscult/paint or learning from HT's production methods so that they can produce something of the same quality.

Basically, hoarding characters can cut both ways. It's great for SSC if they're able to match HT's quality but not so much if collectors find the sculpt and paint apps lacking.

First, LOL at the idea of Any Ot figures of the main cast Tanking.
SW has too many fans that will eat up complete crap with a spoon, just because it is OT SW, and then ask for seconds.

secondly, Have you seen the recent quality of 1/6th figures coming out of sideshow recently?

thirdly; HAVE YOU SEEN THE QUALITY OF 1/6TH FIGURES COMING OUT OF SIDESHOW LATELY?!

fourthly, Hot toys has said they will be doing a MAXIMUM of 1-2 figures a year, and have just hinted at the next three. Sideshow has PLENTY of time to release whatever they like, and get it out on the market. once sideshow sells a figure, if a better product comes along later on and destroys the aftermarket value, they don't care. If you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself.

Fithly, Hot toys is NOT Infallible. Have you seen their Flop of an indy?
Good figure or not, it's a flop As Indy, especially for it's price.
Also, hearkening back to my first point, people still bought it up, regardless of it being a flop. why? Harrison ford. Or his stunt double anyways.

Lastly, saying sideshow has never done a "battle damaged Bespin luke" is splitting hairs. They've done a Bespin luke. The EX version came with a hand stump, and his bacta turniquette. So if you REALLY wanna go that route, sideshow DID do a battle damaged Like.

It's worth mentioning that Hot toys is not doing a "battle damaged Luke" figure either. They're doing a Luke skywalker DX figure.

 

[OSCORP]

The Joes look cartoonish/stylized to me rather than realistic. Is this on purpose?

 

[The Josh]

The Joe figures really go to show just how much SS has gotten better in a hurry. They are equally as good as what HT is doing IMO comparing what I have from both companies.

 

[Invictus Sol]

I definitely get your points, Lerath666, and I never said HT was infallible and I guess should've proactively put in a disclaimer on their Indy since I knew it would come up. I'm just trying to make some general points but you have be like a ____ing lawyer on these boards sometimes.

The sculpts above are not bad, but like OSCORP says, a bit action figure-y. You wouldn't seriously compare them to say Heath Ledger or Jack Nicholson Joker, would you? Tobey McGuire Spider-Man or RDJ Iron Man? Their Hamill Luke may be a bit idealized, but certainly looks more realistic and convincing than either of those.

Yes, while there are plenty of completists that will buy anything, I think there are more collectors now that will say no to say a shoddy Leia likeness if the figure is $175.00 - $200.00. If Sideshow steps up their game and releases true likenesses with great paint apps and costumes, they have nothing to worry about. But who says they want to? For all we know, they're fine with letting Hot Toys put in the money for development and release and just take a cut for themselves with no risk.

As for the one or two figures a year, not sure why everyone brings that up. Sideshow's had the licence for what, six or seven years now? Do the collectors following them from the very beginning have a Chewie yet? C-3PO? R2? Seems to me releases in this line are on a really long release schedule as it is. Is it really that unimaginable that if SSC is leaving Leia to HT that they don't care that she won't be released until say 2014?

The Joe figures really go to show just how much SS has gotten better in a hurry. They are equally as good as what HT is doing IMO comparing what I have from both companies.

I like SSC a lot and they're getting a fair bit of my disposible cash but I don't buy that for a sec. They haven't done anything that is on par with the examples above in 1:6 scale for a human character. They're getting a lot better for sure, and stuff like Boba Fett and IG-88 are pretty outstanding (though I still wouldn't say for the price that say IG-88 compares that favourably with what HT is doing with Iron Man) but I'm very skeptical of them releasing a dead ringer Leia or any other human character.

 

[The Josh]

I like SSC a lot and they're getting a fair bit of my disposible cash but I don't buy that for a sec. They haven't done anything that is on par with the examples above in 1:6 scale for a human character. They're getting a lot better for sure, and stuff like Boba Fett and IG-88 are pretty outstanding (though I still wouldn't say for the price that say IG-88 compares that favourably with what HT is doing with Iron Man) but I'm very skeptical of them releasing a dead ringer Leia or any other human character.

That's your right to feel that way. I'm just saying what I think based on what I own and can compare right in front of me.

 

[Khev]

Lastly, saying sideshow has never done a "battle damaged Bespin luke" is splitting hairs. They've done a Bespin luke. The EX version came with a hand stump, and his bacta turniquette. So if you REALLY wanna go that route, sideshow DID do a battle damaged Like.

Nah, they did a clean Luke with a hand stump accessory. We're wondering if HT can do a "clean" Bespin Han with parka and boots as accessories. Remember "Bespin" Han's outfit technically debuted on Hoth.

It's worth mentioning that Hot toys is not doing a "battle damaged Luke" figure either. They're doing a Luke skywalker DX figure.

Yes, including both a clean and a unique-to-Hot-Toys battle damaged variety.

 

[mfoga]

Sure it's not cut and dry , but HT still has to get SS permission first then still get LFL permission. So yeah SS has 100% control of what HT does. With the limited number of figures per year there are plenty of figures SS has made years ago that could be done again before they ever need to start doing figures that haven't been done.


Wait someone with prosthetics and lots of makeup is realistic? The joes look like action figures because they are action figures.

As for the release schedule the line would die if they put all the big hitters out in a row. Why everyone bring up chewy is funny, it not they don't want to do it , but they know there are many issues with doing it a full production run. They could have done a half assed one sold 1000s and been ok with that , but they didn't.

 

[Invictus Sol]

That's your right to feel that way. I'm just saying what I think based on what I own and can compare right in front of me.

Yeah, sorry if that came off the wrong way. Reads crankier than I intended. I just haven't seen any human sculpts from SSC that I would compare to HT's stuff, notwithstanding Indy.

Sure it's not cut and dry, but HT still has to get SS permission first then still get LFL permission. So yeah SS has 100% control of what HT does. With the limited number of figures per year there are plenty of figures SS has made years ago that could be done again before they ever need to start doing figures that haven't been done.

No argument there. My only point is SSC might be totally fine with letting HT take certain characters. There might lots of reasons that it makes sense for them to do so that we're not privy to.

Wait someone with prosthetics and lots of makeup is realistic? The joes look like action figures because they are action figures.

I guess you're referring to HT's Jokers but in neither case is that a serious argument. Take a look at the likenesses to the actors and the make-up used in the movies and compare it to what HT was able to replicate in 1:6 form. It's actually pretty amazing work (if you want to make that a sticking point, then compare SSC's stuff to Christopher Reeve Superman, RDJ Iron Man, Tobey McGuire Spider-Man, etc.). In regards to the Joes, lerath666 brought them up as examples of work he felt compared favourably to HT's stuff, right? So that means I then have the right to compare the work?

As for the release schedule the line would die if they put all the big hitters out in a row. Why everyone bring up chewy is funny, it not they don't want to do it , but they know there are many issues with doing it a full production run. They could have done a half assed one sold 1000s and been ok with that, but they didn't.

I brought up Chewie, R2 and 3PO because they're examples of figures we all can agree everyone wants but are not being rushed out. That was to bolster my point that *if* SSC has a hypothetical agreement with HT to let them release their human characters, they're not going to be concerned if HT is only releasing one or two SW characters per year (as argued by lerath666). Anyway, it's all good. Pretty sure as time goes on we'll all be proven wrong on one point or another in regards to SSC's relationship with HT.

 

[The Josh]

Yeah, sorry if that came off the wrong way. Reads crankier than I intended. I just haven't seen any human sculpts from SSC that I would compare to HT's stuff, notwithstanding Indy.

Nah, its all good. I can understand how people feel differently but looking at my joe shelf and the sculpt/paint apps on the Jango clone heads things are fairly level.

 

[lerath666]

I definitely get your points, Lerath666, and I never said HT was infallible and I guess should've proactively put in a disclaimer on their Indy since I knew it would come up. I'm just trying to make some general points but you have be like a ____ing lawyer on these boards sometimes.

The sculpts above are not bad, but like OSCORP says, a bit action figure-y. You wouldn't seriously compare them to say Heath Ledger or Jack Nicholson Joker, would you? Tobey McGuire Spider-Man or RDJ Iron Man? Their Hamill Luke may be a bit idealized, but certainly looks more realistic and convincing than either of those.

Yes, while there are plenty of completists that will buy anything, I think there are more collectors now that will say no to say a shoddy Leia likeness if the figure is $175.00 - $200.00. If Sideshow steps up their game and releases true likenesses with great paint apps and costumes, they have nothing to worry about. But who says they want to? For all we know, they're fine with letting Hot Toys put in the money for development and release and just take a cut for themselves with no risk.

As for the one or two figures a year, not sure why everyone brings that up. Sideshow's had the licence for what, six or seven years now? Do the collectors following them from the very beginning have a Chewie yet? C-3PO? R2? Seems to me releases in this line are on a really long release schedule as it is. Is it really that unimaginable that if SSC is leaving Leia to HT that they don't care that she won't be released until say 2014?




I like SSC a lot and they're getting a fair bit of my disposible cash but I don't buy that for a sec. They haven't done anything that is on par with the examples above in 1:6 scale for a human character. They're getting a lot better for sure, and stuff like Boba Fett and IG-88 are pretty outstanding (though I still wouldn't say for the price that say IG-88 compares that favourably with what HT is doing with Iron Man) but I'm very skeptical of them releasing a dead ringer Leia or any other human character.

Yeah, sorry if that came off the wrong way. Reads crankier than I intended. I just haven't seen any human sculpts from SSC that I would compare to HT's stuff, notwithstanding Indy.




No argument there. My only point is SSC might be totally fine with letting HT take certain characters. There might lots of reasons that it makes sense for them to do so that we're not privy to.




I guess you're referring to HT's Jokers but in neither case is that a serious argument. Take a look at the likenesses to the actors and the make-up used in the movies and compare it to what HT was able to replicate in 1:6 form. It's actually pretty amazing work (if you want to make that a sticking point, then compare SSC's stuff to Christopher Reeve Superman, RDJ Iron Man, Tobey McGuire Spider-Man, etc.). In regards to the Joes, lerath666 brought them up as examples of work he felt compared favourably to HT's stuff, right? So that means I then have the right to compare the work?




I brought up Chewie, R2 and 3PO because they're examples of figures we all can agree everyone wants but are not being rushed out. That was to bolster my point that *if* SSC has a hypothetical agreement with HT to let them release their human characters, they're not going to be concerned if HT is only releasing one or two SW characters per year (as argued by lerath666). Anyway, it's all good. Pretty sure as time goes on we'll all be proven wrong on one point or another in regards to SSC's relationship with HT.

you make a pretty good point about the jes looking a little cartoony... but they look REALLY good as "real life" translations of cartoon and comic book characters. and in had, they most definitely are (in my opinion) comparable to Hot toys work.

 

[kl241]

The Joes look cartoonish/stylized to me rather than realistic. Is this on purpose?

Sideshow is not even in the same league as Hot Toys.

 

[medicomsucks]

Just wanted to point out that a couple of years ago, Chen said they were making a Commissioner Gordon figure too. So take this with a grain of salt.

I'm not very psyched about an Anakin figure. And as far as a character from Episode II? I'm guessing it's Mace Windu or Count Dooku. I'm really hoping they shoot for the ......less than wholesome Padme or whatever that outfit was called.

The Sideshow Windu is passable, and to be frank, the Hasbro version of Dooku, though a rubber head, that's hard to top. They scanned in Lee's face to make that happen. All you need to do is put the head on another body. Maybe you can touch up the paint but really there isn't a lot to do to make an acceptable 1/6 Dooku already.

 

[Rzeznikk]

For fun.

 

[Wor-Gar]

That's gonna be all over the internet by day's end.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I'm pretty sure this will be what the Solo figure will be, since SS are making a carbon freeze environment.

 

[Wor-Gar]

If so, at least the HT carbonite will light up.

 

[RIDDICK]

For fun.

For fun mah ass! This is pure cruelty

 

[Invictus Sol]

For fun.

Great pic! For just a nano-second when I saw it I was ! But then realized it couldn't be true.

I'm pretty sure this will be what the Solo figure will be, since SS are making a carbon freeze environment.

Hadn't put those two facts together, but that makes a lot of sense. Hope that's what they end-up announcing.