Does anyone here just not like Frankenstein 1931?

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Threads like these really never go anywhere good.....but who cares!

Now, before I get into my reasons why I dont like this film at all, i'll point out some of the issues, and insults I see coming up.

Yes...I am 18 years old. However, since I hope to be a film director, I do appreciate movies, no matter when it was made, as long as it has a good story, filled with great characters. We have a film class, where we watch films ranging from Raiders, Star Wars, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, 12 Angry Men, Godfather...and Frankenstein. And I enjoyed most of them. I really enjoyed Casablanca, and Kane. A lot. More then I thought I would. So dont tell me I cant enjoy older films. Because I can. :)

However, Frankenstien just annoys me as a movie. It, for me, lacks any decent main characters. When we first meet ol' Frankenstein...he's nuts. Like, bat ____ crazy, stealing corpses with his freaky little friend. Now, how are we supposed to like this character when he begins the film doing something incredibly wrong? I could forgive him if the guy was at all interesting.....like if he was Mal Reynolds or something...but he's not. He's crazy. And so the film begins.

So we continue forward. He sends his little idiot friend to do something that he should've done himself. And in return, the bumbling idiot ____s everything up. Ok...i'm still with ya movie...we'll see where it goes.

And then we meet the wife. And somehow the expect us to understand their love...and such. I dont know, the whole thing just seems really...rushed, but I cant fault the movie. It was made in the 30's.

The movie for me, really goes down hill is when the monster comes into play. Karloff was good..for the most part. But he does things...very weird, and very....unnessesary things with his body and face.

More on that in a second.....

So we see that Fritz begins to torment the monster. For no apperent reason. I guess one can infer that Fritz has been bullied so much, he now has something he can bully himself....but I never saw much bullying in his and the Dr.'s relationship. Aside from the much needed yelling when he was acting like a complete moron.

And so after tormenting him, he gets killed. Good I say. Why is everyone so pissed? The little ____er had it coming. But no, they have to kill the monster for defending himself? Bah.

I love how his body just...disappears. I can forgive small continutiy errors such as a bottle missing, or maybe someone wearing a slightly different pair of cloths....but a body just...gone? Damn.

Back to Karloff, the scenes where he displays emotion other then GRRR are really good. Props to him for humanizing the monster.

However, points taken off for the weirdness like the whole Mission Impossible scene where he's escaping the windmill place...seriously, add the Mission Impossible theme to it. It'll work. :lol

And the whole "Rwaallll" Austin Powers things he does when he sees the wife. :lol WTF....


Anyway, the film does have some good moments of suspense, such as the death of the other Dr. scene, and the little girl scene. However, I find that scene to be utterly ____ing hilarious. But that's just me.

The movie just kinda moves forward, showcasing one piss poor decison after another. Frank locking his girlfriend in the bedroom, knowing the monster is lurking about, Frank going off alone (he could've, and should've gone back and got the other guys).

Then it rushes to it's conclusion and ends in a firey blaze! Hoo raw! The monster screams and flairs his arms around like a child...and then dies.

But not before HURTLING his creator off a ____ing windmil, to which he actually HITS the goddamn propellers....and basicly snaps his body in two. And yet he's ok! Just some of grandma's old wine will do the trick...which he doesnt even ____ing get thanks to his senile old father.

And aside from all that, this film has one of the worst endings of all time. Yes I know...it was a reshoot, and the original ending was to have Frank die....but still. What a godawful conclusion.


For those that dont wanna read my rants.....here ya go.




I had to rant, because I can for the most part understand, and appreciate the love for classic films. The Godfather, Casablanca, Citizen Kane are great films, and while I may not care for some, I get the love...but this film? I've seen it twice now, and my opinion hasnt changed. I really think this is a poor film. By any generation's standards.

But this is my opinion. Which I probably dont share with anyone...

It'll make a damn fine discussion..that's fo sho. :exactly:
 
Whale saw Victor Frankenstein as the villain and a monster in the first one, so that's why you're having trouble liking him.

My favorite Whale movies are Old Dark House and Bride of Frankenstein. I believe Bride is much better than the original, but I think it's only because it suffered from being made so early. It would have benefitted by a score.

Other than that, we're talking about an early classic, from a time when filmmaking was so primitive. You're comparing the filmmaking techniques of Casablanca and Kane--which came out 10-11 years after Frankenstein--with when there's only a 4 year gap between Frank and Bride, by the same director, and the technological leaps are amazing.
 
Perhaps I judged it too harshy. I just didnt find the story or characters really good for me at all. And a lot of things just seemed really strange to me. I thought those are the two things that surpass time?

For example, the old Chaplin flicks, those shorts had interesting characters, dispite only having 30 minutes of time to develop them, and no sound for them to have dialoge.
 
Oh man... :lol!!
your post is such a Fail!!!...

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Actually, I was assuming he was high the entire movie.

But atleast Frankenstien was better then anything Michael Jackson....:dunno:
 
Be careful with those kinds of statements. It's the younger generations that have the choice of continuing to celebrate the heritage of a classic movie or to dump it and ignore it.
 
CP, i know your taste in movies... if you just saw Kane and Casablanca and were surprised that you liked them, you need to continue expanding your horizons. There's nothing wrong with that, but nothing really to discuss either. Enjoy the journey :)
 
Actually I thought most of CP's points were quite valid, but people have such odd attachments to movies that it makes it difficult for them to see them critically.
It's like OT SW fans who can't find any fault with those movies, yet rip the PT films that use a lot of the same boorish dialogue, wooden acting and silly jokes... :dunno

Anyway, I do believe the Doc was supposed to be the actual villain, not the monster as ozzfan pointed out.

As for continuity or understanding character's motivations, I don't think that was high in the priority list. Besides, I believe it really depends on how each person responds to the story on a (obviously) personal level. Sometimes you just read into the characters and infer what you brought with you yourself. And if you don't connect with the movie the magic just doesn't happen.

I pretty much despise Bela Lugosi's Dracula, for one. I just could never connect to it on any level, so to me it remains a silly movie with a silly vampire. I suppose I had too much of an image of Dracula clearly in my head and just couldn't gel it with Lugosi and that movie.

Frankenstein, on the other hand, was surprising to me. It had so much depth and compassion towards the monster that it was a revelation to me. So I connected with it.
 
One cannot view such films without taking into consideration it was in the early days of film making. It was a different time where people actually had to create the industry that would expand and eventually fall into the massive pile of crap it is today where the best Hollywood can hope for is to recycle good films into garbage, or try and stretch sitcoms or SNL sketches to feature length.
The films appealed to the audience of the day. My father, for example saw this in the theater at its original release and said the entire audience was terrified.
A different era.
 
I think CP's problem is he took the movie at face value and saw Frankenstein's monster as the antagonist, not the victim.

Celtic, have you read the book at all?
 
Directors should be familiar with cinematography (at the least) and you son have no appreciation for what you just witnessed. :lecture
 
CP, i know your taste in movies... if you just saw Kane and Casablanca and were surprised that you liked them, you need to continue expanding your horizons. There's nothing wrong with that, but nothing really to discuss either. Enjoy the journey :)
I know. I was just afriad I wouldnt enjoy them. When people tell me a movie is the greatest, and I watch it, and it's not, I hate that. So I was not sure if I would've enjoyed those movies or not.

So yes, my horzions were broadened.

I think CP's problem is he took the movie at face value and saw Frankenstein's monster as the antagonist, not the victim.

Celtic, have you read the book at all?

Nope. But I might. The sequel sounds much better. And the fact it has comedy also helps. Comedy is a great mood breaker.

Directors should be familiar with cinematography (at the least) and you son have no appreciation for what you just witnessed. :lecture

How so? I judge the film only. Not the cinematography. I didnt mention it, because I didnt have a problem with it. Aside from the hidious backdrop, the film was well shot. I thought the look was very cool.

It's just hard for me to enjoy a pretty looking film that I feel is weak in the story and character department.

And I guess having Frank the villian does sorta help, and give me a different opinion on it. But I just cannot enjoy this movie. I think there are good scenes...but overall I just dont feel it's a well made movie.

Hate me if you want, I dont care if you do. If I did, I wouldnt have made this thread. :wave



And what else is funny is people on this forum who you get along with, will suddenly just outright hate you because you dislike something they like. Mr. Wayne. :1-1:
 
It's not a great film, but a classic movie doesn't need to be. It has great atmosphere, great looking sets, nice characters and Boris fauking Karloff as the Monster. It is from the golden era of film making and will considered a classic for the rest of human history. Most of the movies of that time don't hold up to todays movie making.

The Bride of Frankenstein is better. Only :facepalm in the movie is the old maid that shrieks a few times.
 
I love how someone with Dexter pics all over their ____ can say Dr. Frankenstein is unlikable because we start by seeing him doing crazy things. Let's think about this, what do you first see Dexter doing in the series...maybe KILLING PEOPLE??? Sure maybe we don't get the same level of characterization on Doc than we do with Dex, but still.

Also, do you really think they would have let the movie keep a fresh corpse lying around for an extended amount of time in '31? Movies like this already pushed the limits of what was socially acceptable to show at the time.
 
I love how someone with Dexter pics all over their ____ can say Dr. Frankenstein is unlikable because we start by seeing him doing crazy things. Let's think about this, what do you first see Dexter doing in the series...maybe KILLING PEOPLE??? Sure maybe we don't get the same level of characterization on Doc than we do with Dex, but still.

Also, do you really think they would have let the movie keep a fresh corpse lying around for an extended amount of time in '31? Movies like this already pushed the limits of what was socially acceptable to show at the time.

Hey bud, there's just too much generation gap and not nearly enough explanation to fill it with to reach understanding. :lol
 
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