Toht 12-inch Figure

[Blackhole]

I'm sure that Sideshow will fix all the problems you guys find with the Ark...

They did before, and they'll do it again...

 

[Entropy]

I find the wrappings and the wings the most noticeable problems... if they fix just those two things, I'm satisfied.

Is the Hasbro ark correct in ALL aspects brought up here: points, wings, etc?

I'm with you. Those are the 2 things that stick out and are both fairly easy to correct.

 

[Captain Britain]

I'm with you. Those are the 2 things that stick out and are both fairly easy to correct.

Don't forget the fat ankles.

 

[FlyAndFight]

As you can plainly see, the re-breather portion of the ark is way off...

 

[metaphorge]

Toht looks amazing, but man, does that Ark need some work. It looks kind of superdeformed; the angels and the legs are stubby. And what's with those highly inaccurate pole wraps?

I think that often SSC gets nitpicked to death here, but the problems with the Ark are pretty big, and unacceptable. I'm fairly obsessed with the Ark (to the point of shelling out for a 1:6 garage kit, which I still really like, even with my mediocre gold-leafing skills), but if the glaring issues aren't fixed I may have to pass on Sideshow's. It will be partially dependent on how I like Hasbro's once I get it.

For reference, here's my Ark, with the SSC Indy (not pictured are the actual wooden polls with actual fabric pole wraps):

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/metaphorge/3057498964/" title="DSCF3011.JPG by metaphorge, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/3057498964_d7b9677f82_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="DSCF3011.JPG" /></a>

The side rail on the top on my garage kit has 12 points on the long side, which I'm not sure is accurate either. The side bas reliefs turned out a lot better than in the proto photos of SSC's though.

 

[Entropy]

Don't forget the fat ankles.

It'd be nice if they were more correct, but I can live with them as they aren't the focal point of the piece. The angels and wrappings are.

 

[siquisiri]

I really liked the "11 points not 10" comment. I started with 1/6 WWII figures, so you always had the "rivet counters" complaining about everything right and left. Why it might seem like an exageration, you are paying good money out of your pocket and deserve a quality product.

 

[Wor-Gar]

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/metaphorge/3057498964/" title="DSCF3011.JPG by metaphorge, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/3057498964_d7b9677f82_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="DSCF3011.JPG" /></a>.

Those angels look good -- maybe swap them on the SS if necessary.

I have the same kit as you know, unfinished though, still.

 

[Odowankenobi]

The ankles on that kit are fat.

 

[Wor-Gar]

All I can say is I'm glad Toht hasn't come under such scrutiny...yet.

And that isn't saying that you guys aren't correct.

 

[Billy Ray]

Well, I pre-ordered the regular version. I already have the Hasbro Ark and it suits me just fine. I have to agree that, at this point, SS's Ark does look off to me as well. Hopefully they do some more work on it.

Toht himself turned out great though, and I love the melty head! Couldn't really ask for anything more...but the prices are starting to really kill me. I had to really debate on whether or not I wanted him that bad (of course I did), but with Vader coming around the same time I hope I don't have to cancel.

One other thing to mention, and I mentioned this before, he really should come with a Walther P-38 instead of a Luger. It's hardly a deal breaker for me, but that is the pistol he had in the film. It's weird, because almost all of the Nazis/Germans in the films, sported a P-38, yet Hasbro (with the exception of their 12" German officer), and now SS, have included Lugers with them. I think the only time we see a Luger used in any of the films is in Last Crusade, when Vogel is holding Elsa at gunpoint. Anyway, not trying to be a nit picker, just pointing it out:

 

[Entropy]

All I can say is I'm glad Toht hasn't come under such scrutiny...yet.

And that isn't saying that you guys aren't correct.

Toht is super solid! Nothing to complain about there except maybe the price.

Well... there is that inaccurate Luger.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Good catch on the gun. I forgot all about that.

Might have to pick up the correct P-38 now.

 

[The Josh]

I know little about guns so that would have been something that slipped by me.

In the end SS will fix things I have no worries there. They can't miss any of the issues that have been brought up here. Overall, I can't believe how nice both items look and cannot wait to have both him and belloq in my collection.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Toht looks amazing, but man, does that Ark need some work. It looks kind of superdeformed; the angels and the legs are stubby. And what's with those highly inaccurate pole wraps?

I think that often SSC gets nitpicked to death here, but the problems with the Ark are pretty big, and unacceptable. I'm fairly obsessed with the Ark (to the point of shelling out for a 1:6 garage kit, which I still really like, even with my mediocre gold-leafing skills), but if the glaring issues aren't fixed I may have to pass on Sideshow's. It will be partially dependent on how I like Hasbro's once I get it.

For reference, here's my Ark, with the SSC Indy (not pictured are the actual wooden polls with actual fabric pole wraps):

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/metaphorge/3057498964/" title="DSCF3011.JPG by metaphorge, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/3057498964_d7b9677f82_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="DSCF3011.JPG" /></a>

The side rail on the top on my garage kit has 12 points on the long side, which I'm not sure is accurate either. The side bas reliefs turned out a lot better than in the proto photos of SSC's though.

Hmm, my first thought when I saw this pic was "how did you get the SSC ark already?" Just this photo makes the angel wings look stubby and the legs are exactly like the SSC ones. I have this kit too, it's widely available, perhaps this is just a place holder for SSC until they develop their own ark?

Or...
And I'm not backtracking on my comments, but like others, I sometimes go off on something I care a lot about. Notice that none of the shots of the ark are at 90 degree angles such as we're looking at the screen caps. Perhaps there's some forced perspective thing going on so the wings look stubbier?

The fact that metaphorge's pic looks so much like the SSC ark in that picture must give us pause.

Toht is phenomenal though - great sculpt, great outfit, plenty of accessories - a homerun even if they don't do anything about the glasses.

The fact that all the pics are labeled prototype pending approval means this is not a close to production piece - so there's time to fix the ark.

 

[Captain Britain]

Hmm, my first thought when I saw this pic was "how did you get the SSC ark already?" Just this photo makes the angel wings look stubby and the legs are exactly like the SSC ones. I have this kit too, it's widely available, perhaps this is just a place holder for SSC until they develop their own ark?

Or...
And I'm not backtracking on my comments, but like others, I sometimes go off on something I care a lot about. Notice that none of the shots of the ark are at 90 degree angles such as we're looking at the screen caps. Perhaps there's some forced perspective thing going on so the wings look stubbier?

The fact that metaphorge's pic looks so much like the SSC ark in that picture must give us pause.

Toht is phenomenal though - great sculpt, great outfit, plenty of accessories - a homerun even if they don't do anything about the glasses.

The fact that all the pics are labeled prototype pending approval means this is not a close to production piece - so there's time to fix the ark.

Or maybe they used the kit to create a mould for their own Ark? It wouldn't be the first time a toy company has done that to save time and money. The electronics in the 12" Character Options Dalek are basically an exact copy of the electronics that Product Enterprise used for their classic series Dalek; and PE used an expensive custom made sonic screwdriver as the basis for their own officially licensed one.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Or maybe they used the kit to create a mould for their own Ark? It wouldn't be the first time a toy company has done that to save time and money. The electronics in the 12" Character Options Dalek are basically an exact copy of the electronics that Product Enterprise used for their classic series Dalek; and PE used an expensive custom made sonic screwdriver as the basis for their own officially licensed one.

Nope, I have the kit and if they did use it, it's just parts. Most of it is pretty rough.

 

[IndianaPaul]

I actually made that Ark kit a long time ago. I did the best I could. It didn't turn out too bad all in all. I did redo the railings and feet making them much better. Here's some pictures of the latest I did.

https://www.bme.unc.edu/~wsegars/new_ark1.jpg
https://www.bme.unc.edu/~wsegars/new_ark2.jpg
https://www.bme.unc.edu/~wsegars/new_ark3.jpg

I stopped making it all together since Hasbro did such a good job. Like y'all say, the angels are off plus the sculptures and other things I'm sure. In doing it, I had limited pictures to go by. Plus I'm not a professional or anything.

Anyway, I imagine Sideshow created their Ark quickly for this pre-sale. I think it will be much more accurate when it starts shipping. I would think it will ultimately be the best of the best. I'm looking forward to getting it.

If anyone who has my kit wants or anybody else, I do have extras of the new rails and also of the cherubs. I need to get rid of them; they are hanging out in my garage.

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!!!!

 

[metaphorge]

Nope, I have the kit and if they did use it, it's just parts. Most of it is pretty rough.

I agree, at most SSC used the feet and (possibly) some of the lid. The railings and the murals on the sides are VERY different. I'm going to bet that they didn't reuse any of the parts, though they may have gotten some inspiration and reference from the kit.

Good point on the appearance of the angel wings; they DO look stubbier in my photo of the garage kit than they do in person.

 

[metaphorge]

I actually made that Ark kit a long time ago. I did the best I could. It didn't turn out too bad all in all. I did redo the railings and feet making them much better. Here's some pictures of the latest I did.

https://www.bme.unc.edu/~wsegars/new_ark1.jpg
https://www.bme.unc.edu/~wsegars/new_ark2.jpg
https://www.bme.unc.edu/~wsegars/new_ark3.jpg

I stopped making it all together since Hasbro did such a good job. Like y'all say, the angels are off plus the sculptures and other things I'm sure. In doing it, I had limited pictures to go by. Plus I'm not a professional or anything.

Anyway, I imagine Sideshow created their Ark quickly for this pre-sale. I think it will be much more accurate when it starts shipping. I would think it will ultimately be the best of the best. I'm looking forward to getting it.

If anyone who has my kit wants or anybody else, I do have extras of the new rails and also of the cherubs. I need to get rid of them; they are hanging out in my garage.

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!!!!

Welcome to the board, and don't sell yourself short on the job you did with this kit. Considering you are not a professional it's outstanding, and I will continue to enjoy it.

I might be interested in upgrading the rails, etc. on mine. Should I PM you or what?