The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[IrishJedi]

And Prometheus is almost identical to Alien in tone and filmmaking style.

What??? No way. Even removing all of the modern effects stuff from the equation it's not even nearly as sublime. Also, ALIEN is one of the most atmospheric and moody films of all time. PROMETHEUS... nope.

 

[Khev]

Those are clearly direct homages, though and use techniques that wouldn't otherwise be utilized in a modern film. Super 8 existed in 2011 directly because of CET3K and ET from the 70s/80s. It's a love letter to those films and that era... because they don't make them like that anymore. Kinda proves his point.

No it only proves that the director of Super 8 was a kid in the 70's. Just like in the 70's we had directors making movies that harkened back to the filmmaking styles of adventure serials from the 30's.

If James Cameron had made a Batman movie in 1994 instead of True Lies we'd probably have something very much like TDKR (with bridges blowing up and full scale aircraft props) which would be worshipped today. But enter 2012 and everything has to be torn down, even by so called fans of the movie like yourself. Just sayin'.

 

[IrishJedi]

No it only proves that the director of Super 8 was a kid in the 70's. Just like in the 70's we had directors making movies that harkened back to the filmmaking styles of adventure serials from the 30's.

If James Cameron had made a Batman movie in 1994 instead of True Lies we'd probably have something very much like TDKR (with bridges blowing up and full scale aircraft props) which would be worshipped today. But enter 2012 and everything has to be torn down, even by so called fans of the movie like yourself. Just sayin'.

Actually, a James Cameron circa 1994 would likely have had a Batman actually being Batman, and that would've been pretty cool. I remember when he was once attached to Spider-Man for Fox and was bummed when that fell through.

Doesn't matter, though, since he hasn't made a cool movie since that time anyway.

 

[intothevoid]

I'd rather see a Ridley Scott Batman film.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I'd rather see a David Fincher Batman film.

 

[intothevoid]

That too

 

[Irvy]

I'd rather see a Brett Ratner batman film.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I'd rather see a Brett Ratner batman film.

Just finished the last season of Prison Break last night.

 

[Khev]

Actually, a James Cameron circa 1994 would likely have had a Batman actually being Batman, and that would've been pretty cool.

I seriously doubt that. He would have "Cameronized" the character as least as much as Nolan did.

Case in point: ALIENS

Brilliant sequel but many diehard ALIEN fans were furious that he took the "perfect organisms" and made them fish in a barrel for wisecracking marines to shoot.

 

[IrishJedi]

I'd rather see a Ridley Scott Batman film.

Not the Ridley Scott of today. Another filmmaker past his prime who's most recent films are among the weakest of his career.

Batman needs new blood. No "old guard". A big name director is not necessary.

 

[IrishJedi]

I'd rather see a Brett Ratner batman film.

I'll murder.

 

[Adolfo]

I'd rather see a David Fincher Batman film.

A Batman in the world and tone of "Seven" would truly be great...

 

[wofford29]

Duncan Jones Batman

 

[ZaCHw117]

A Batman in the world and tone of "Seven" would truly be great...

That's what I thought.

 

[IrishJedi]

Duncan Jones Batman

Now we're talkin'. Someone like him or a Rian Johnson.

 

[jye4ever]

They arrested another psycho bringing multiple guns to TDKR, this time in Ohio, off duty cop saw him going in with a duffle bag full of weapons.

W
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[DiFabio]

Those are clearly direct homages, though and use techniques that wouldn't otherwise be utilized in a modern film. Super 8 existed in 2011 directly because of CET3K and ET from the 70s/80s. It's a love letter to those films and that era... because they don't make them like that anymore. Kinda proves his point.

Better than I could have said.


These films are of their time. Alien couldn't be made now, not the Alien we all know and love anyway. Batman '89 couldn't be made now. There are specific forces at work into how these things get made. That's why "making of" documentaries are so interesting. How they got into development, the critical reception that they received and the cultural phenomenon that they became.

Is '89 Batman as "deep" as The Dark Knight Rises? Of course not. That sort of Batman couldn't have been made. WB wouldn't allow a 2 hour and 45 minute film and there's no way audiences would want or care to see such visuals of Special Forces members being hanged or people being pulled out of their homes in a Batman movie. It was the 80s. Look what happened to Batman Returns. Warner Bros. thought it was too much and went for a more "lighter, child friendly" Batman akin to the Adam West TV show, but worse. It's an evolving thing.

People just wouldn't be ready for it and it couldn't happen anyway. There's 23 years between these films and 30 between others (Alien and Star Wars). Things change, events happen, people get older, even more cynical. How about 9/11? It definitely had an impact on films during the 2000s.

I guarantee you you couldn't have The Dark Knight Rises, Prometheus or Revenge of the Sith (not saying these films are equal in quality or related at all) with out having Batman '89, Alien and Star Wars. Can you honestly say the same thing if you change it around.


What these "classics" achieved set and laid the ground for the future. It could only have happened with that particular cast and crew that happened in those particular years. They succeeded and even went beyond what people expected them to do in that point of time. They could only have been made then.

Lightning in a bottle.

 

[intothevoid]

Here's some original makeup design for Bane's scars:

Man it would be great to see how he gets these:

 

[Adolfo]

We should have a poll on which is the best thread...this one, spiderman or avengers...I wont vote for this one LOL

 

[Adolfo]

Better than I could have said.


These films are of their time. Alien couldn't be made now, not the Alien we all know and love anyway. Batman '89 couldn't be made now. There are specific forces at work into how these things get made. That's why "making of" documentaries are so interesting. How they got into development, the critical reception that they received and the cultural phenomenon that they became.

Is '89 Batman as "deep" as The Dark Knight Rises? Of course not. That sort of Batman couldn't have been made. WB wouldn't allow a 2 hour and 45 minute film and there's no way audiences would want or care to see such visuals of Special Forces members being hanged or pulled out of their homes in a Batman movie. Look what happened to Batman Returns. Warner Bros. thought it was too much and went for a more "lighter, child friendly" Batman akin to the Adam West TV show, but worse. It's an evolving thing.

People just wouldn't be ready for it. There's 23 years between these films and 30 between others (Alien and Star Wars). Things change, events happen, people get older, even more cynical.

I guarantee you you couldn't have The Dark Knight Rises, Prometheus or Revenge of the Sith (not saying these films are equal in quality or related at all) with out having Batman '89, Alien and Star Wars. Can you honestly say the same thing if you change it around.


What these "classics" achieved set and laid the ground for the future. It could only have happened with that particular cast and crew that happened in those particular years. They succeeded and even went beyond what people expected them to do in that point of time. They could only have been made then.

Lightning in a bottle.

Wow...we agree on something...