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US retailers Walmart and Target have suspended in-store sales of Pokemon cards and other trading cards, due to safety concerns caused by a huge upsurge in demand.As reported by Bleeding Cool, a sign spotted by a customer in New York notes that Target will no longer sell MLB, NFL, NBA and Pokemon Trading Cards as of May 14th "to ensure the safety of our guests and team members." It's clear that renewed interest in the scene is having a negative effect on in-store conduct, amid an uptick in scalping.


That demand has led not just to bad behaviour, but real crime. Vice reports that a fight related to trading cards in a Wisconsin Target parking lot recently led to a gun being drawn, but thankfully not used. Last month in Brunswick, Maine, News Center reports that $20,000 of sports trading cards were stolen.

Those increasingly serious events have clearly led to the suspension of sales. Bleeding Cool received a statement from Target saying: "The safety of our guests and our team is our top priority. Out of an abundance of caution, we've decided to temporarily suspend the sale of MLB, NFL, NBA and Pok?mon trading cards within our stores, effective May 14. Guests can continue to shop these cards online at Target.com."

Similar notices have reportedly been issued in Walmart, with a sign shared in a Facebook Magic the Gathering group noting that "the trading card categories have been removed from the sales floor and sales of these items have been suspended due to inappropriate customer behaviour and increased demand." The note suggests that stores have been asked to no longer stock trading cards like Pokemon ahead of "further direction from management.""]

Trading cards have seen a massive boom over the past year. There's been a surge of renewed interest as rare pack openings and trading card content has flooded onto YouTube and Twitch. In January of this year, a Pokemon TCG Booster Box sold at auction for $408,000, and McDonald's also had to "strongly encourage" its stores not to sell multiple packs of Pokemon 25th Anniversary cards to customers in February to prevent scalping.
 
Spot on. I do think Apple's industrial design aesthetic had a truly massive influence on the look of the 2000s, which as you say are pretty distinct. The optimism often seen in the aesthetic is at odds with the Western world's slow collapse into paranoia, but there it is.
Exactly. The real world might have been going some place, but until then we still had some optimism about the future. Now even fictional worlds have been completely and utterly taken over by the politics and happenings of today. It'd be mistaken to say that past works weren't influenced by concerns or beliefs going on at the time, but there was variety, there was escapism, there was optimism. In the 10s we had an increase of Post-Apoc and Dystopian futures. It's natural I suppose, due to what was happening to the world. I guess the New Millenium high just wore off. As for Apple, yes, it did ultimately change tech and aesthetics. There is a bit of Y2K left in the 10s, but like I said, there's no unifying element across them.


Yes, but the enigmatic, blank surfaces can only go so far before a lot of Masamune Shirow's design aesthetic finds its way to the West, but admittedly this is by the 2010s; the biological, arthropod-inspired industrial design and heavy hardware paired with ethereal UI. How much of a pioneer he was or was not I'm not sure, because I was only ever a casual, occasional consumer of manga and anime. You see it more and more now actually; companies like Boston Dynamics have brought that bio-mimic industrial design into the real world.
I didn't know that, Bio-Mimicry, but now that I google images it's exactly what I was getting at. It's what Solarpunk (stupid name with no meaning, just roll with it) evoked:

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The optimistic sentiment of tech advancing to the point where it merges with nature in harmony instead of overtaking it. I was never much int Manga/Anime, apart from Dragonball/Yu-Gi-Oh/Pokemon that aired here, but as soon as I got the net I did get into that whole 2Ks scene. Eva, Bebop, GitS, FMA and the such. You're right about Shirow, and I was going to bring GitS before. SAC was exactly the kind of Y2K CyberPunk I was talking about. In contrast to something like the original Blade Runner and Deus Ex, it had a more sunny and organic approach and look to it all. It was a believable, at the time, future. It wasn't particularly dystopian or utopian, it just was. Compare that with the hardcore CyberPunk Marvel 2099 titles, which might as well be set in "Hell: Cyber Circle", and the difference is clear.

While simultaneously, I have to blink and look twice at SpaceX hardware like the Starship, which looks and moves like a '50s rocket ship. When they're landing that thing I look for the wires.

It'll be interesting to see which aesthetic -- or even if either of them -- dominate the look and feel of the '20s. Bio-mimicry which inevitably looks a bit sinister with its uncanny valley style, or these shiny 50's style rocket ships with fins. The latter is friendlier with obvious nostalgic charm.
I honestly find Bio-Mimicry more comforting. It evokes nature, whereas the 50s-inspired NuSpace Age look that dominates seems overtly mechanical to me.

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But yeah, I get the argument over them looking like mechanical copies of the real world and that feaking people out.

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The MCU's synthetic-basketball-athletic-superhero material already feels tired and ugly.
Yeah, I've unironically come to hate it more than the "just slap black leather on everything" phase. The washed out colours, how fake everything looks, the poor mimicry of the comic looks, it's downright ugly. What made me really hate it is how Doctor Strange, the mystical sorcerer, literally has black leather boots with some blue straps on top, and looks as if he's wearing a kitchen tapestry. It's not a particularly bad look, but it's neither "modern" nor ancient. The MCU is too uniformal for my tastes and I wish there'd be some kind of change. One thing I'll say about the Eternals is that at least they're a bit different. The metallic fluid look and sheen loks more pleasing to the eye than the basketball texture that everyone from Vision to the Asgardians has.

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We'll have to see how it looks in motion, but it is a bit of a shake-up. Not a huge departure, they still look similar to the Iron Man CGI, but at least it's not the basketball texture. It's funny, I remember everyone calling TASM's Spider-Suit a basketball, but now nobody dares say anything about the MCU.
 
Wow, when you google Y2K Aesthetic you sure don't get what I was expecting. :lol


Whatever the 00's were in sci-fi aesthetic, Minority Report is also one of those movies that defines it.

Personally, I have trouble connecting the Matrix/X-Men/Blade black-leather look of the decade with the Minority Report/AI/The Island look. I suppose the former is the negative outlook and the latter the more positive outlook... although 'tech' in both is overbearing/dangerous.

I supposed the closest merger between the two I can think of is Tron -- where black leather and white neoprene meet. :lol
 
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Wow, when you google Y2K Aesthetic you sure don't get what I was expecting. :lol
Yeah, you get a lot more... anime-y stuff...

Whatever the 00's were in sci-fi aesthetic, Minority Report is also one of those movies that defines it.
Exactly. It had that look I mentioned before. A "realistic" take on the future. Not too Utopian, going full on Trek. Not Dystopian either. Cool, sleek, a little bit dark n' edgy. Most importantly it had that holographic tech that we all thought we'd get.

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And after 2010 with IM2 in Tony's workshop, and then Tron Legacy, it died. It looks cool, but screens are more accurate and sturdy. It's why we're still stuck in the touchscreen age, and the biggest innovations are curved screens, or 4K resolution. Guess we'll get to see actors' nose hairs in a bit... Now we're going for touchscreen flip phones, because hey, there's nothing new and nostalgia sells, so...

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Personally, I have trouble connecting the Matrix/X-Men/Blade black-leather look of the decade with the Minority Report/AI/The Island look. I suppose the former is the negative outlook and the latter the more positive outlook... although 'tech' in both is overbearing/dangerous.
They are the two looks of the 00s. They started off coming from the 90s, with the black leather and more grungy, edgy look. As time went on, despite the Post-9/11 world, the brief Y2K aesthetic carried over and got more uplifting. You can see it in even something like Vanilla Sky, which is a petty tame Sci-Fi by tech standards, yet has this same look of a the future being a blinding light:

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For me it's a clear progression from the more edgy aesthetic to a more balanced and ultimately bright one. But the Y2K aesthetic started a bit before the 00s. The shiny clothes, frosty hues, setpieces that resembled airlocks or computer interfaces and the general "bubble pop" sound, those all started at the tail end of the 90s. It's why people say that the 00s were an extension of the 90s. In a way they were, and they just kept going until it all fell down and crashed. '07 brought forth Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and let's not forget, all major porn websites. '08 brought Obama and the Crisis which eventually impacted the entire planet. Then '11 was Occupy and ever since it's been a downwards spiral in idpol.

But for a brief moment there, we were all riding the crist of a high and beautiful wave....

I supposed the closest merger between the two I can think of is Tron -- where black leather and white neoprene meet. :lol
Like I said, Tron Legacy was the culmination of the entirety of the 00s aesthetics. It perfectly capped off the entire decade. It felt like the inside of an iPhone or a Mac.

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They are the two looks of the 00s. They started off coming from the 90s, with the black leather and more grungy, edgy look.

Was black leather ever out of style for modern sci-fi generations? I think Mad Max... Roy Batty... Batman.... T2 Terminator... Catwoman... I see Trinity's roots going back to Catwoman more than a new sci-fi aesthetic.

X-Men and Blade were from long traditions of black-clad heroes. As far back as James Bond and Yul Brynner in Mag 7. Good Guys wear black. Even Luke Skywalker.
 
Was black leather ever out of style for modern sci-fi generations? I think Mad Max... Roy Batty... Batman.... T2 Terminator... Catwoman... I see Trinity's roots going back to Catwoman more than a new sci-fi aesthetic.

X-Men and Blade were from long traditions of black-clad heroes. As far back as James Bond and Yul Brynner in Mag 7. Good Guys wear black. Even Luke Skywalker.

Black's a cool colour and works with everything. It's obviously always been there. Everyone fom anti-heroes to actual Monks wears it. Batman wore all-black in the movies starting with Burton, for example, but that also fit the Gothic look. But I do think the 90s leaned on it especially hard, and the specifically black leather/latex was a result of that time period. Black Leather & Future Japanese Tech Dominion was all the rage. Forgotten films like Black Rain and Strange Days had the same look. It bled all over and was widespread in all media. It starts with Blade Runner in the 80s, evolves in the 90s, the CyberPunk, the Grunge, it goes through the 90s and eventually bleeds into the 00s. The Matrix inspires the FoX-Men which in turn inspire Morrison's New X-Men. Blade started off with some weird disco look. He got his black jacket in the mid 90s, but it was the movie that gave him the all black trenchcoat and shades. You're right there. But in the case of the X-Men, it was the movie, which came out in 2000, that gave birth to the New X-Men look which came out in 2001. Here's a part from Morrison's pitch:

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Really, the entirety of the Ultimate Verse was inspired by the Matrix and the look of the era.

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It's why Hawkeye and Widow cosplayed as Neo & Trinity, or why Electro literally wore a black leather jumpsuit.

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So I would say that the black leather in a sci-fi setting is a part of the Y2K aesthetic. Here are the Beckams from 1999.

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If that doesn't scream late 90s/early 00s, I don't know what does.

The CGI on that eternals calendar is awful
Eternals in general looks pretty rough. But I'll wait for a trailer first. At least it's not the basketball look again.
 
Morrison: What was dynamic becomes stagnant -- dead characters always return, nothing that happens ultimately matters. The stage is never cleared for new creations to develop and grow.

I found this part very insightful. I feel like the MCU should heed this warning. Again. And add: too often one-time rivals become friends.
 
Sean Connery's nose hairs look like BX cables. :lol
I still watch everything in my monitor fom 2015... I'll never get to see Ryan Gosling's shave burns move as he screams *********!

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Morrison: What was dynamic becomes stagnant -- dead characters always return, nothing that happens ultimately matters. The stage is never cleared for new creations to develop and grow.

I found this part very insightful. I feel like the MCU should heed this warning. Again.
When I first read it, I was shocked how "corporate" he was despite the persona he puts on. But he's always had good ideas. And he's completely right there. That was Claremont's approach too, back in the day. The X-Men were supposed to keep expanding. Old members would die or go away, newcomers would arrive, and so on. Cyclops was always meant to retire with Madelyne, Jean was always supposed to stay dead and the New Mutants were supposed to become the main X-Men. The whole "hated and feared" bit would come to an end, as the Shadow King would've been revealed as the ultimate big bad, and after that humanity and mutantkind would embrace and head towards the future. But capes being capes, the status quo is God, so we are where we are. Morrison changed the line forever, but IMO for the worse. I don't have a problem with the Mutant Culture bit, and I think the U-Men were topical. His X-Men were very much a product of the 90s/00s, focused on SyFy and Transhumanism instead of the usual superheroics.

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Where he ****ed up is changing mutants from legitimately being super-powered and beautiful demigods, dangerous yet alluring, to literal freaks of nature. When you go there, then any chance of getting people on your side completely breaks down. They're no longer the next step in human evolution, they're just ugly dangers to society. And ever since then we've been riding that wave, with the allegory getting more and more central, as the stories get more and more stupid.

Personally I still have some attachment to the X-Men, in contrast with most capes and any other capeteam. Some of it is nostalgia, some of it is because I think it's a property with legitimate meat and potential in it. Had it been a seperate IP in the hands of a handful of creators, it would've been something classic and ever-changing all the same. I feel something similar about the F4. All cards on the table, I've always liked the concept more than the execution. The only member I like is Reed. The team itself is pretty boring and repetitive, as are the stories. If there was no Doom, I doubt I'd have read any FF books. But I do have some affinity for it due to what it spawned as a book, and for how flexible the core idea is. It's just that beyond that, the MCs are lacking and all its concepts found new life elsewhere. Back when I was still scribling ideas in my notebook, I had an AU that was centered around the X-Men, with the F4, the Ultimates and Doom and the such as secondary, "streamlined" versions. And it dealt with the progress of such a world and how things would ultimately and permanantly change. The Ultimates were just a Government team of super-soldiers, Stark was merged with Trask, the mutant origin was streamlined as well, the FF were like a global thinktank and so on. It's what I'd do with the IPs myself.

But as it stands, X-Men's stagnat like all other capes. Even Star Wars doesn't suffer the same fate as capes do. At least there you have some set points and stories. In cape**** it's all in flux, an endless stream of retcons and bad fanfics. Sometimes I wonder how things would've turned out if Michael Jackson really did end up buying Marvel like he wanted...
 
changing mutants from legitimately being super-powered and beautiful demigods to literal freaks of nature. .... They're no longer the next step in human evolution, they're just ugly dangers to society.

Interesting point. And I see that. It brings into question the idea of Equality, which is an impossible state to attain. And it degenerates into Us vs Them so easily. Equality is a never-ending sliding scale. So you end up in a war that cannot be won.

That said, I do believe there is some very interesting meat in Transhumanism. Man merging with Machine fascinates me, and is very topical, or should be, to a generation of cyborgs that can't put their cellphones down.
 
Reminds me of General Ross in Civil War when he asks them where Thor and Hulk are. Storm/Cyclops/Magneto/Rogue/Prof X/Jean are all nukes amongst many.
 
But as it stands, X-Men's stagnat like all other capes. Even Star Wars doesn't suffer the same fate as capes do. At least there you have some set points and stories. In cape**** it's all in flux, an endless stream of retcons and bad fanfics. Sometimes I wonder how things would've turned out if Michael Jackson really did end up buying Marvel like he wanted...

I'm stuck in the 90s when it comes to X Men. That's all I know and the iconography that means something to me. I thought it was weird when the X Men wore black leather in the comics in the early 2000's.

As for Michael Jackson, I know one thing, his favorite X Men was Morph, which isn't a huge surprise that he connected with a shapeshifter. But yeah, I was surprised how familiar he was with the X Men and Marvel characters. He also liked Batman, but everyone likes Batman.
 
Interesting point. And I see that. It brings into question the idea of Equality, which is an impossible state to attain. And it degenerates into Us vs Them so easily. Equality is a never-ending sliding scale. So you end up in a war that cannot be won.
The real world is bad enough with everyone striving for this utopian vision of equality. And that's not even getting into the concept of equity. If you use aliens for your standins, I get the allegory. But with mutants it just doesn't work. It literally doesn't. For one, even before the Morrison retcons, they were still poweful enough and got their powers at puberty, meaning little Johnny could go jerk off then blow up his block. How the Hell are the people that want a cure for such things bigots/racists/monsters? Then you get into the Morrison retcons where you have people that turn 15 and suddenly they have an arsehole in their forehead. In what way is that ideal? There are mutants whose "power" is to be a literal gas or they lose their heads and get eyes and a mouth in their chest (Astonishing X-Men). At that point any idea of "muh next step" goes out of the way. Then it was decided that the Mutant Cure was akin to Conversion Therapy and all I can say is... what.the.****. Literally. How the Hell are these comperable? Regardless of mine or anyone's views on what was then homosexuality and has now spiralled to who knows what, it's not comperable at all to a girl waking up on her sweet 16th Birthday Party and finding out she's now an anthropomorphic cockroach. Morrison turned the X-Men into the Inhumans, tacked on an even more insane "allegory" and we're still dealing with his lore changes.

The thing is that Claremont began this whole mess, and it didn't make sense back then. "Minorities", by the general use of the word in the West, aren't actual minorities, they're minorities by US standards. Globally, Africans or Asians, aren't a minority. Mutants are a Global Minority, which is why in the 90s with the Legacy/AIDS analogue they started leaning to a sexual orientation analogy. But again, it doesn't work. Regardless of anyone's views towards anyone, the fact is that there is no group that can shoot laserbeams out of their arse, or blow up galaxies with their sneeze. When you've got such actual problems in society, it becomes a matter of logic not any sort of -ism. The truth is, the X-Men were an easy way for Stan & Jack to come up with tons of powers quick and churn out easy plots. It never went anywhere, and the foundation that was laid wasn't about racism. It was about the Atomic/Nuclear Age of the 50s and on, that had people obsessed with that kind of stuff. In a way they were ahead of the curve, and Claremont's retcons ruined the core. Yes, he also brought pathos and made it a big hit, but that was moreso because it was a funnybook dealing with some mature themes, and so everyone tripped over themselves to praise it. That and Claremont's imagination and horniness.

That said, I do believe there is some very interesting meat in Transhumanism. Man merging with Machine fascinates me, and is very topical, or should be, to a generation of cyborgs that can't put their cellphones down.
Transhumanism is one of the themes that has a ton of potential and as tech evolves, the one that will have the more merit. The problem though is that we're nowhere near the level people thought we'd be at. The logistics of a metal arm that can spin and turn into a gun are to fantastical to be true, at least currently. Gene Editing is what's becoming increasingly advanced. But still, stories that explore such concepts, even in fantastical settings, are interesting. That's what X-Men should be. Yes, it's still a capebook for kids and teens, but I stand firmly on the ground that it could've been a much better book/IP if the so-called "Children Of The Atom" were more focused on the evolutionary aspect, and could back it up, than flimsy allegories that don't hold up under scrutiny. If you want me to get invested in the story, you have to make the Mutants defacto superior to baseline humans. Dangerous yes, but you have to have an internal rule that makes them all live lnger, be stronger, more agile as a baseline, and then manifest a couple of destructive but wondrous gifts. When 90% of mutants are Glob tier, 9% of them are either aesthetically pleasing or just have a cool gimmick, and that 1% is compromised of literal mad gods, then the worldbuilding sucks, nothing makes sense and my solution would be a Eugenics Program to cultivate the useful powers, and a widely distributed Cure for all the poor Beaks of the world. There, done.

I still keep up with the HiX-Men because I like the steps he's taking towards the stuff that interest me, but the lore is still too broken by what came before. I'm also treating it as my "final go" so to speak. Once it's done I drop keeping up with comics entirely. I don't pull any other Big 2 stuff already, and this would be my "closing chapter". It's interesting, though I can't help but think how much better it would've been with a few tweaks here and there as its own thing. Like I said I've always liked the FF & X-Men moreso because of the concept and less because of the actual execution. In the FF's case the first Stan/Jack run influenced the entire MU. The problem is that the characters are just too boring. Yes, a family of superheroes is fine and all, but when I read a space exploration book, I want that. The FF are literally like a never-ending American Sitcom that cycles through the same plots every season. All capes do that, but at least you have characters coming and going, big casts and so on. The FF are stuck as those four people, with the ocassional fill-in member like She-Hulk. Reed's the nly interesting character and the others are just supporting cast-tier members. I like them enough to buy the HT dollies if the casting's good, but it's always been a book I "liked" on principle but not in reality. The X-Men infuriate me, but it's much more actually enjoyable. The sad thing is, the FF could've been absolutely engaging and constantly innovative, but the status quo coupled with the average comic fan's "REEEEEE not muh" and the average cape writer's subpar writing and obsession with cheap drama, makes them just boring relics instead of timeless icons.

I've said it before, but were it not for Doom I wouldn't have cared enough to read the FF. And I've always thought Doom would've worked better as an antagonist to Iron Man or the X-Men. The genre of the FF clashes far too much with the character of Doom and I've never found any of their interactions believeable or organic. His rivalry with Reed is superficial and it works just because it's "No.1 Vs. No.2". With Stark it works far better. You have the New World (US) vs. the Old (Europe). You have the "futurist" always upgrading and changing his look and moving forward, and then you have the guy who makes upgrades but never changes his look. You have this belief in tech, the hope of a Star Trek Utopia, versus Doom's nostalgia for an older time, tradition and aesthetics over practicallity. It's a far more well-rounded analogy and it's the reason why Doom & Stark have been having fun interactions since the 80s, while every Doom/Reed story is the exact same thing. At the end of the day, Doom's too cool for the F4. Doom's got a timeless quality. The FF are constantly moving, but unlike Stark's who's constantly evolving, they're also retro and forever stuck in the era of their creation. Doom vs. the X-Men would've basically been the supposed pinnacle of humanity vs. the "next step". Thematically, it again fits much more. The X-Men barely have any human antagonists that aren't strawmen, so the idea of having someone who spearheads this supposed "race war" between humans and mutants, based on ideological grounds beyond mere strawmanning, would've been far more interesting than the typical rivalry of Doom and the F4. Again, Doom's risen up to be an MU villain for a reason. The F4 are too limited by the status quo, so Doom works better with characters and concepts that he's related to. Political Wars with Kings like Namor and the Black Panther. Tech Wars with Stark and Magic Wars with Strange. If I went back in time and instead of Reed I made Pym the smartest man and moved Doom's grudge there, nothing would've changed. It still would've been the same banal rivalry. It is possible to make a Doom/FF rivalry work. But you need to shake things up on a fundemental level and that's just not possible. The FF will always be the corny 50s pulp sci-fi.

Anyway, I'm rambling again. Point is, the X-Men were always a great idea on paper, and while they've found success, the IP could've been much grander.

Reminds me of General Ross in Civil War when he asks them where Thor and Hulk are. Storm/Cyclops/Magneto/Rogue/Prof X/Jean are all nukes amongst many.
There are nukes like Thor and Hulk, and there are Starkiller Bases like Magneto, Legion and the such. Magneto literally controls the ElectroMagnetic forces. Legion is a reality warper. And don't get me started on Franklin "I can create universes" Richards. Mutants are too loosely defined yet too affected by power creep for any sort of actual analogy to work with them, or any story to function in a set setting.

I'm stuck in the 90s when it comes to X Men. That's all I know and the iconography that means something to me. I thought it was weird when the X Men wore black leather in the comics in the early 2000's.

As for Michael Jackson, I know one thing, his favorite X Men was Morph, which isn't a huge surprise that he connected with shapeshifter. But yeah, I was surprised how familiar he was with the X Men and Marvel characters. He also liked Batman, but everyone likes Batman.
I've done X-Readathons, so I'm familiar of sorts with all eras. In the past I was a bigger fan of the 90s looks. Then I got older and latched onto the streamlined, militarized look of the leather suits from New & Ultimate X-Men. These days I pick and choose the best costumes from across the eras. And apparently Hickman thought the same. Now there's not set "look". Mutants change their costumes depending on the ocassion, as they're more like clothes. Granted, nobody's really been drawn with a lot of different stuff thus far, but that's more on the artists. I like this development, as now they're a Nation and they need to build a set "culture". So having their extravagant costumes be their daily clothes is a nice first step.

As for MJ, he wanted to play Professor X IIRC, and he even sent auditions. I don't know how well he would've managed a company, but at least he had a passion for them and that's more than the average fanfic tumblr writer that pens them these days has.
 
I dig the silhouette and colour blocking, but polygonal armour is so played out and lame.

Yeah I can see where some would feel lukewarm about the more tactical, armored looks for Batman. I think maybe a suit more akin to the Batman Begins version would fare better.
 
After decades of men in rubber suits with sculpted muscles or polygons, I'd love to see a return to an Adam West style costume. Not as dorky, of course.
 
Yeah I can see where some would feel lukewarm about the more tactical, armored looks for Batman. I think maybe a suit more akin to the Batman Begins version would fare better.

After decades of men in rubber suits with sculpted muscles or polygons, I'd love to see a return to an Adam West style costume. Not as dorky, of course.

The blur grey comic look is my fave, in the aparro/ Adams style, but I guess it's hard to translate that to live action. Only way that could work is by doing it is with cgi unfortunately
 
Yeah, but Foo Fighters are old. All the old bands rule the rock zone and tours. There's a young group I found named Greta Van Fleet.I like their music, but they sound like a Led Zeppelin cover band, and the weird part is they dress like rock stars from the 70s. You can tell they are being told to dress like that to sell that image, but it comes across as unauthentic,and therefore, unoriginal. It's a shame because they are talented.

Music in general is made by young people for young people. The artists eventually grow old along with their core fanbase. Some keep picking up new fans along the way like the Rolling Stones and others just disappear. Most artists make it big when they're young. I just don't see any rock bands that started in the 2000s or 2010s. I just see all these old bands and some are pathetic, like Blink 182. They made it big in the late 90s and early 2000s singing about high school stuff, dressed like skateboarders and making music for that audience. Well, it's 2021, they still dress the same way and they're singing about high school bull #####. Literally, one of their newer videos is set in a high school and all their videos have teenagers in them as if actual teenagers are listening to some 50 year old skateboard guys. :lol That's the current state of rock n roll.

Good point. I am going to see Judas Priest ( what?s left of them) and Sabaton in September. To be honest, I like Sabaton as the younger group, but I can only listen to so much, while Priest I could listen to all day.

The young rock band is sort of an extinct ideal right now.


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Good point. I am going to see Judas Priest ( what?s left of them) and Sabaton in September. To be honest, I like Sabaton as the younger group, but I can only listen to so much, while Priest I could listen to all day.

The young rock band is sort of an extinct ideal right now.

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Is that the Louder than Life festival concert that metallica, korn and nine inch nails will be headlining on different days?
 
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