Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[WWEJedi]

After the Galactic Civil War Han Solo became

Spoiler:

a successful racing pilot, a family man, and husband to Leia. Seemed like he settled down for a time

 

[crows]

what powers do the force even give you?
mind control, being able to use the saber, moving things with your hands, is that it?

 

[YoNoSe]

what powers do the force even give you?
mind control, being able to use the saber, moving things with your hands, is that it?

If you think that's a superpower, your posts are starting to make a lot more sense.

 

[WWEJedi]

what powers do the force even give you?
mind control, being able to use the saber, moving things with your hands, is that it?

Category:Force powers - Wookieepedia - Wikia

Anyone can use a lightsaber, just need training, not the force.

 

[xipotec]

I m not sure we need spoiler tags on this thread anymore.....anyone reading it would be crazy because every post is hidden....it males no sense you skip the spoiler tags...

Spoiler:

I don't think the storm troopers were ignoring Kylo I think they were very scared that they would be on the receiving end.

I thing Kylo is an analogue to the terrorist situation we see today. He is obviously totally under Snokes influence, his absent father allowed a powerful negative influence to corrupt his mind. He is (as Han said) just a tool for Snoke to use in his game.

He is puposfully untrained and skilled only in certain ways. I doubt he fully undeestand his own powers, he seems very unstable.

I also think its pretty obvious that Rey beat him due to his wounds, which he kept punching to keep himself sharp and awake (and angry) but i. The end , Rey being able to become calm and focused on her powers allowed her to take advance ENOUGH to survive.

The light side is stronger, so says Yoda. I don't think it always comes down to training.

 

[Scareb]

With Rey fighting Kylo:

Spoiler:

I think the only reason she beat him is the fact he was pretty injured. He took a bowcaster bolt to the side not to mention Finn slashed his arm/shoulder with the lightsaber. I think had he been at 100% that Rey would have been killed fairly quickly.

 

[Aliaz]

After decompressing for a day a few more random musings:

Spoiler:

1. As an old school Robotech fan I loved the similarity between Poe Dameron and Max Sterling, the Starkiller weapon with the Grand Cannon, and Supreme Leader Snoke with Dolza. Fighters skimming over water was also a cool vintage "Robotech-ism."

2. An aspect of the 32 year gap between ROTJ and TFA that I really like is that with so much time between trilogies we basically get this huge new untold backstory of everything that happened after ROTJ. So it's like ANH all over again with these familiar characters that we still get to re-experience with "new" histories. As opposed to seeing a story about what they did a few weeks or months after ROTJ where their backstory would be old hat.

3. Of all SW sequels only ESB and TFA dared to introduce pretty much all new aliens from beginning to end. ROTJ and the PT recycled many aliens from previous films. But that wasn't how ESB did it, and it was a kick to get all new denizens of the various new worlds again.

4. I *loved* Nien Numb as an X-Wing pilot, he was so cool!

5. I really liked how, like ANH, the Resistance really felt bigger than the heroes. Like Poe and the gang were really firing on all cylinders and moved on their own independent of what the "invincible" main heroes did (and obviously the heroes were anything but invincible in TFA.)

6. Once again I just can't believe that TFA needs nothing but the unaltered OT as setup. I even went out of my way to marathon the PT + OT, trying to get myself to like the PT more (even though I'm probably already more forgiving of it than most) prior to TFA and all I'll ever need going forward is just Harmy and TFA. Fantastic!

7. Rey climbing down that wall of the manufactured chasm in the Starkiller base and hiding in that chamber as real on-set Stormtroopers patrolled above was SO gloriously "Star Wars" with its vertigo inducing scale.

8. Thank GOD they finally retired the Wilhelm scream (though it'd hardly be a deal breaker if it was there and I simply missed it.)

9. So many happy surprises in how well the character dynamics played. Poe and Finn's back and forths with each other were real highlights, as was Han and "Big Deal" (lol) as well. I'd even say that Finn was the biggest surprise in how much I liked his character.

10. Kylo Ren is just an awesome character. Flawed in a way that makes him both interesting and incredibly unpredictable. He seemed to have this rage throughout the film but always stopped short of killing his own men (unlike Vader,) instead taking out his aggression on Resistance sympathizers or whatever inanimate objects were within reach. After taking that final step (in killing Han) which apparently was a real threshold for him as he seemed to indicate now I wonder if after killing his dad he's just going to be comfortable with murdering people left and right.

10. Derivative of a Death Star it might have been but that Starkiller base was just freaky to me. Blowing up six planets at once from several solar systems away? Yikes. And as confident as Poe's squadron was in taking it out I still found myself a bit nervous as they were dive bombing the planet.

11. I just found Han, Leia, and Luke's portrayals to be so tastefully done. I was really worried that we might see another KOTCS with them just feeling wrong and me being embarrassed for them, especially Leia. Thank God she wasn't another "old Marion."

12. I'm so excited for parts 2 and 3 but can't help but assume that ANH, ESB, ROTJ, and TFA will always be a cut above because they feature the core trio of Han, Luke, and Leia. Not that Rey, Finn and Poe aren't totally capable in picking up the torch but the original three heroes will always be the purest form of SW to me (though I'm open to having that change.)

Great points. I'm going to see it again tomorrow or tuesday. Or both.

With Rey fighting Kylo:

Spoiler:

I think the only reason she beat him is the fact he was pretty injured. He took a bowcaster bolt to the side not to mention Finn slashed his arm/shoulder with the lightsaber. I think had he been at 100% that Rey would have been killed fairly quickly.

Spoiler:

plus he was trying to recruit her to the dark side.

 

[Deckard]

Anyone else think that lightsaber battle at the end is the best in the franchise. No stupid twirling quadruple back flips. It fits in with the original trilogy but is more intense than any of those.

 

[xipotec]

After decompressing for a day a few more random musings:

Spoiler:

1. As an old school Robotech fan I loved the similarity between Poe Dameron and Max Sterling, the Starkiller weapon with the Grand Cannon, and Supreme Leader Snoke with Dolza. Fighters skimming over water was also a cool vintage "Robotech-ism."

2. An aspect of the 32 year gap between ROTJ and TFA that I really like is that with so much time between trilogies we basically get this huge new untold backstory of everything that happened after ROTJ. So it's like ANH all over again with these familiar characters that we still get to re-experience with "new" histories. As opposed to seeing a story about what they did a few weeks or months after ROTJ where their backstory would be old hat.

3. Of all SW sequels only ESB and TFA dared to introduce pretty much all new aliens from beginning to end. ROTJ and the PT recycled many aliens from previous films. But that wasn't how ESB did it, and it was a kick to get all new denizens of the various new worlds again.

4. I *loved* Nien Numb as an X-Wing pilot, he was so cool!

5. I really liked how, like ANH, the Resistance really felt bigger than the heroes. Like Poe and the gang were really firing on all cylinders and moved on their own independent of what the "invincible" main heroes did (and obviously the heroes were anything but invincible in TFA.)

6. Once again I just can't believe that TFA needs nothing but the unaltered OT as setup. I even went out of my way to marathon the PT + OT, trying to get myself to like the PT more (even though I'm probably already more forgiving of it than most) prior to TFA and all I'll ever need going forward is just Harmy and TFA. Fantastic!

7. Rey climbing down that wall of the manufactured chasm in the Starkiller base and hiding in that chamber as real on-set Stormtroopers patrolled above was SO gloriously "Star Wars" with its vertigo inducing scale.

8. Thank GOD they finally retired the Wilhelm scream (though it'd hardly be a deal breaker if it was there and I simply missed it.)

9. So many happy surprises in how well the character dynamics played. Poe and Finn's back and forths with each other were real highlights, as was Han and "Big Deal" (lol) as well. I'd even say that Finn was the biggest surprise in how much I liked his character.

10. Kylo Ren is just an awesome character. Flawed in a way that makes him both interesting and incredibly unpredictable. He seemed to have this rage throughout the film but always stopped short of killing his own men (unlike Vader,) instead taking out his aggression on Resistance sympathizers or whatever inanimate objects were within reach. After taking that final step (in killing Han) which apparently was a real threshold for him as he seemed to indicate now I wonder if after killing his dad he's just going to be comfortable with murdering people left and right.

10. Derivative of a Death Star it might have been but that Starkiller base was just freaky to me. Blowing up six planets at once from several solar systems away? Yikes. And as confident as Poe's squadron was in taking it out I still found myself a bit nervous as they were dive bombing the planet.

11. I just found Han, Leia, and Luke's portrayals to be so tastefully done. I was really worried that we might see another KOTCS with them just feeling wrong and me being embarrassed for them, especially Leia. Thank God she wasn't another "old Marion."

12. I'm so excited for parts 2 and 3 but can't help but assume that ANH, ESB, ROTJ, and TFA will always be a cut above because they feature the core trio of Han, Luke, and Leia. Not that Rey, Finn and Poe aren't totally capable in picking up the torch but the original three heroes will always be the purest form of SW to me (though I'm open to having that change.)

WHILHELM WAS THERE! it occurs in the hanger during the escape!

 

[crows]

If you think that's a superpower, your posts are starting to make a lot more sense.

oh sorry, I meant FORCE PUSH...

 

[Khev]

Holy crap, I didn't even want to look at what the critical consensus was on this film but a forum member on another site mentioned that it was sitting at 95% on rottentomatoes so I had to check. Yes! Star Wars is redeemed!

And for all intents and purposes the PT can forever be laid to rest.

 

[Darkseed]

Anyone else think that lightsaber battle at the end is the best in the franchise. No stupid twirling quadruple back flips. It fits in with the original trilogy but is more intense than any of those.

I thought it was done very well on many levels. The setting, the action, the pace etc..kept very well with overall tone and theme of the film

 

[Prime Clone]

And for all intents and purposes the PT can forever be laid to rest.

For you perhaps, but the PT is, and forever shall be, as much a part of the canon as the rest.

 

[Khev]

For you perhaps, but the PT is, and forever shall be, as much a part of the canon as the rest.

Yes. SW is many things to many people. To each his own.

 

[Jabba]

Just came from cinema and only i can say it is 10 times better then any PT. Even my 6 year old kid rated 10/10.
I really like Rey in the movie. Think im gonna sleep good tonight.

 

[crows]

For you perhaps, but the PT is, and forever shall be, as much a part of the canon as the rest.

until disney remakes the first 3 movies.... I could easily see them do that once this trilogy is over

 

[a-dev]

until disney remakes the first 3 movies.... I could easily see them do that once this trilogy is over

I highly doubt it. It'd be a blatant fart in George Lucas's direction. Sure, a bunch of randomers on the internet won't care about offending him but anyone in a position to actually make these movies would not want to slap the creator of the franchise in the face like that even if they secretly share the view that the PT, as it stands, is ***t.

 

[Deckard]

I don't see them remaking the original trilogy anytime soon. I think we'll get another sequel trilogy after this one if anything, that will have Rey etc as the new old timers. And of course all the spin offs like Rogue One.

 

[Prime Clone]

until disney remakes the first 3 movies.... I could easily see them do that once this trilogy is over

Can't see them bothering for the sake of a few twisted geezers who'll die off sooner than the prequel generation anyway.

 

[Khev]

I highly doubt it. It'd be a blatant fart in George Lucas's direction. Sure, a bunch of randomers on the internet won't care about offending him but anyone in a position to actually make these movies would not want to slap the creator of the franchise in the face like that even if they secretly share the view that the PT, as it stands, is ***t.

I think just flat out ignoring the PT is better than remaking them. I'll always want to imagine a young Alec Guinness and young Sebastian Shaw (see below) as prequel era jedi and no remake will ever provide that. Best to just move on and let the current PT be a random tech demo of senile old Lucas and the "real" story as referenced in the OT can forever exist in our mind's eyes.