W
wetayourself
Guest
Silmaril..........................
Help Support Collector Freaks Forum:
F
FrodoEyes
Guest
Sounds like I might enjoy this book, and that it's what I hoped it would be. I got it as an xmas present - the illustrated one by Ted Naysmith - maybe with big pictures I'd be able to understand it!
I've become fascinated with history all of a sudden, I hated it when I was at school, but I suppose that's because I detested being taught and lectured at all, but now I'm finding out about History myself, and to read something which sounds like a History book would be fantastic and make Middle Earth all the more real and believable. I would love to write something as detailed as this some day, a world with its own realistic history. I'm finishing a few short books at the moment, then I plan to read the Sil, then the Hobbit, then LOTR, and that should take me through winter, which is my favourite time to read The Hobbit and LOTR, on cold rainy nights next to a fireplace with a glass of Baileys! Ahh.
I've become fascinated with history all of a sudden, I hated it when I was at school, but I suppose that's because I detested being taught and lectured at all, but now I'm finding out about History myself, and to read something which sounds like a History book would be fantastic and make Middle Earth all the more real and believable. I would love to write something as detailed as this some day, a world with its own realistic history. I'm finishing a few short books at the moment, then I plan to read the Sil, then the Hobbit, then LOTR, and that should take me through winter, which is my favourite time to read The Hobbit and LOTR, on cold rainy nights next to a fireplace with a glass of Baileys! Ahh.
L
larbob
Guest
I read it for the first time this summer and felt
it answered questions I had after reading LOTR.
You really understand the pecking order of Elves.
dwarfs, and humans....and why they don't always
get along.
Also how Sauron was not the big dog....
Well worth the time...read the new Ted Nasmith
illustrated version which helped picture what was
going on.
it answered questions I had after reading LOTR.
You really understand the pecking order of Elves.
dwarfs, and humans....and why they don't always
get along.
Also how Sauron was not the big dog....
Well worth the time...read the new Ted Nasmith
illustrated version which helped picture what was
going on.
E
elwood49
Guest
I'd like to read this sometime. However, my dad is a voracious reader who reads more books than anyone I know, and even he didn't enjoy struggling through it. Despite that, I still think I'd like to give it a try.
N
Nemo Nint
Guest
Elwood, considering you and I think similarly on most things, I think once you got to the end of the story, you'd find yourself really happy you read it.
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>something which sounds like a History book would be fantastic and make Middle Earth all the more real and believable.
I plan to read the Sil, then the Hobbit, then LOTR<hr></blockquote>
How true! The Lord of the Rings is like a quick 13-month adventure, whereas the Silmarillion is a massive 4-century war prefaced with a many-millenia construction of the planet and shaping of the continents, and followed by the history of Gondor, Arnor, Mordor, Wilderland and Numenor.
<img border=0 src="https://home.earthlink.net/~dstephan/gifs/icon_balrog.gif" />
Watch the mighty balrogs rise and fall! See the tragic tale of Turin and see his mighty triumphant slaying of Gorthaur!
Witness the savage, heartless event that causes elves and dwarves to hate eachother with a passion! Experience the love story that surpasses all boundaries and expectations! Revel in the amazing War of Wrath that sees the downfall of a massive mountain and the expulsion of the great and dreadful Dark Lord Morgoth! Laugh at the humiliating defeat of Sauron in hand-to-jaw-to-neck combat with a single hounddog! Stand in shock at the fall of the great realms of Nargothrond, Doriath and Gondolin! Sit in relief as you close the book after having read it all!
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>something which sounds like a History book would be fantastic and make Middle Earth all the more real and believable.
I plan to read the Sil, then the Hobbit, then LOTR<hr></blockquote>
How true! The Lord of the Rings is like a quick 13-month adventure, whereas the Silmarillion is a massive 4-century war prefaced with a many-millenia construction of the planet and shaping of the continents, and followed by the history of Gondor, Arnor, Mordor, Wilderland and Numenor.
<img border=0 src="https://home.earthlink.net/~dstephan/gifs/icon_balrog.gif" />
Watch the mighty balrogs rise and fall! See the tragic tale of Turin and see his mighty triumphant slaying of Gorthaur!
Witness the savage, heartless event that causes elves and dwarves to hate eachother with a passion! Experience the love story that surpasses all boundaries and expectations! Revel in the amazing War of Wrath that sees the downfall of a massive mountain and the expulsion of the great and dreadful Dark Lord Morgoth! Laugh at the humiliating defeat of Sauron in hand-to-jaw-to-neck combat with a single hounddog! Stand in shock at the fall of the great realms of Nargothrond, Doriath and Gondolin! Sit in relief as you close the book after having read it all!
D
DonnamiraTook
Guest
on a serious note... The Silmarillion
Well said, Nemo Nint.
I read it and took 7 legal pads of notes. I have it on CD and want to listen to it now.
There are some stories as adventurous as LotR, if not more so.
Diesel -- if you have read the latest Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, I'll bet you caught the homage JKRowling paid to LotR.
Well said, Nemo Nint.
I read it and took 7 legal pads of notes. I have it on CD and want to listen to it now.
There are some stories as adventurous as LotR, if not more so.
Diesel -- if you have read the latest Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, I'll bet you caught the homage JKRowling paid to LotR.
N
Nemo Nint
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There are some stories as adventurous as LotR, if not more so.<hr></blockquote>
I'd say the whole story of Beren and Luthien, separate from the whole story of Turin Turambar, both stories are on par with The Lord of the Rings. Gosh Turin went through a LOT.
I mean with his sister-turned-somethingelse and his meetings with Gorthaur.
And Beren ... I mean wow.. he's one brave dude. I bet he could take on Beorn. And beorn is not a guy to be messed with!
Remember the quest he goes on after he returns with Luthien, to Thingol? That quest afterwards and the.. thing he aquires.. which he had lost... That is pretty amazing!
** IF ANYONE READS THE SILMARILLION, HAVING THE ATLAS OF MIDDLE-EARTH BY KAREN WYNN FONSTAD IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE STORY*
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There are some stories as adventurous as LotR, if not more so.<hr></blockquote>
I'd say the whole story of Beren and Luthien, separate from the whole story of Turin Turambar, both stories are on par with The Lord of the Rings. Gosh Turin went through a LOT.
I mean with his sister-turned-somethingelse and his meetings with Gorthaur.
And Beren ... I mean wow.. he's one brave dude. I bet he could take on Beorn. And beorn is not a guy to be messed with!
Remember the quest he goes on after he returns with Luthien, to Thingol? That quest afterwards and the.. thing he aquires.. which he had lost... That is pretty amazing!
** IF ANYONE READS THE SILMARILLION, HAVING THE ATLAS OF MIDDLE-EARTH BY KAREN WYNN FONSTAD IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE STORY*
L
lcummins
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
I first read The Silmarillion when it was first published back in the 70's. At that time, there weren't a lot of books about Tolkien and Middle Earth, so I (as well as most of the world) waited anxiously for it to be printed. I think that excitement helped, because I got through it rather quickly and enjoyed the entire book, but I do remember I got completely lost in all the names and places. Since then, I have read it four or five times and enjoy it from beginning to end. The fact that I haven't read it more often confirms to me that it is a little tougher to read than Tolkien's other works, but I really don't notice that any more.
The History of Middle Earth books were very good to read, but the problem I had with them was all of the annotations; it is very hard to keep up with the narrative when you constantly have to stop and read footnotes, etc. I find myself just reading Tolkien's draft parts and you can really get into them and see the differences from what was finally published; then I went back and read all of the various notes. I have only read the series one time, as they were released, so it is about time to go back and read them I guess! :thud
I first read The Silmarillion when it was first published back in the 70's. At that time, there weren't a lot of books about Tolkien and Middle Earth, so I (as well as most of the world) waited anxiously for it to be printed. I think that excitement helped, because I got through it rather quickly and enjoyed the entire book, but I do remember I got completely lost in all the names and places. Since then, I have read it four or five times and enjoy it from beginning to end. The fact that I haven't read it more often confirms to me that it is a little tougher to read than Tolkien's other works, but I really don't notice that any more.
The History of Middle Earth books were very good to read, but the problem I had with them was all of the annotations; it is very hard to keep up with the narrative when you constantly have to stop and read footnotes, etc. I find myself just reading Tolkien's draft parts and you can really get into them and see the differences from what was finally published; then I went back and read all of the various notes. I have only read the series one time, as they were released, so it is about time to go back and read them I guess! :thud
R
RichardW
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
All this talk of the Silmarillion has prompted me to finally pull it out and start reading it for the first time. :bonk
All this talk of the Silmarillion has prompted me to finally pull it out and start reading it for the first time. :bonk
E
elwood49
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
I've decided to give it a go Nemo! Thanks for the advice on the Atlas.
I've decided to give it a go Nemo! Thanks for the advice on the Atlas.
D
Diesel
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
that Atlas would be a HUGE help, cause i'm lost as far as the direction the travels...
from the Valar to the Elves, they move so much, but you can't see it with your own eyes...
that Atlas would be a HUGE help, cause i'm lost as far as the direction the travels...
from the Valar to the Elves, they move so much, but you can't see it with your own eyes...
G
gOzum
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
Unfinished Tales is another brilliant bunch of short stories, just like the Silmarillion, without the whole 100 page version of Genisis at the front.
About to start reading the Silm again.
I seem to go through repetitive cycles, starting with Hobbit, LOTR, Silm, Unfinished Tales and then start all over again.
And yes, I do read other books along the way
Unfinished Tales is another brilliant bunch of short stories, just like the Silmarillion, without the whole 100 page version of Genisis at the front.
About to start reading the Silm again.
I seem to go through repetitive cycles, starting with Hobbit, LOTR, Silm, Unfinished Tales and then start all over again.
And yes, I do read other books along the way
D
Daveyjaro
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
I think SILM is awesome, have read it twice and it is better than LOTR for me. The first time I read it, I did have Fonstad's Atlas of ME, so it helps with the places very well.
I think because I read SILM before seeing LOTR films, I enjoyed them so much more!
Some references:
- Gimli's "Never Trust and Elf" in Council of Elrond and Haldir's "We have not had dealings with the Dwarves since the Dark Days" has real meaning for me because I know what happened in Beleriand.
- Galadriel's "I will diminish and go into the West and remain Galadriel". (She is Noldor, the only one to be allowed back to Valinor who fled in pursuit of Morgoth)
- Aragorn's Song at Coronation (see my sig below).
- Gandalf talking to Pippin in Minas Tirith. "It is not the end.... white shores and beyond a fair green country". (He is talking about Valinor).
When I heard these lines in the movies, it meant far more to me.
About HOME, now that is like a College Course for sure! I only have gotten as far as I have because there are good tales in there, especially the first few drafts of LOTR with Aragorn being TROTTER the Hobbit. (I think of that everytime I watch an Eagle's Football game)
I am so stuck on Sauron Defeated in the Notion Club Papers, it is difficult to get through and appears so unrelated, but I know it has something to do with Atlantie (Numenor).
Read Unfinished Tales too, it has great stories about Tuor and Turin.
And the most tragic story of all is that of Turin Turambar and his poor father Hurin. It would be an excellent film on its own. And of course Beren and Luthien too. The Silm could be made as a series of films, it can be done, it should be be done. Naysayers will go on that it will not be done, but these are probably the same people who said LOTR would never be done.
I think SILM is awesome, have read it twice and it is better than LOTR for me. The first time I read it, I did have Fonstad's Atlas of ME, so it helps with the places very well.
I think because I read SILM before seeing LOTR films, I enjoyed them so much more!
Some references:
- Gimli's "Never Trust and Elf" in Council of Elrond and Haldir's "We have not had dealings with the Dwarves since the Dark Days" has real meaning for me because I know what happened in Beleriand.
- Galadriel's "I will diminish and go into the West and remain Galadriel". (She is Noldor, the only one to be allowed back to Valinor who fled in pursuit of Morgoth)
- Aragorn's Song at Coronation (see my sig below).
- Gandalf talking to Pippin in Minas Tirith. "It is not the end.... white shores and beyond a fair green country". (He is talking about Valinor).
When I heard these lines in the movies, it meant far more to me.
About HOME, now that is like a College Course for sure! I only have gotten as far as I have because there are good tales in there, especially the first few drafts of LOTR with Aragorn being TROTTER the Hobbit. (I think of that everytime I watch an Eagle's Football game)
I am so stuck on Sauron Defeated in the Notion Club Papers, it is difficult to get through and appears so unrelated, but I know it has something to do with Atlantie (Numenor).
Read Unfinished Tales too, it has great stories about Tuor and Turin.
And the most tragic story of all is that of Turin Turambar and his poor father Hurin. It would be an excellent film on its own. And of course Beren and Luthien too. The Silm could be made as a series of films, it can be done, it should be be done. Naysayers will go on that it will not be done, but these are probably the same people who said LOTR would never be done.
D
Diesel
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
good discussion on this topic...
good discussion on this topic...
C
coyote
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
I enjoyed it because you get to appreciate the real tragedy of the Elves: their fall from grace, their loss of all they hold dear and their slow decline.
I enjoyed it because you get to appreciate the real tragedy of the Elves: their fall from grace, their loss of all they hold dear and their slow decline.
A
adoptedscot
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
I am so gonna buy this book now.
I need to know all this great background that you guys have been discussing. I bet it is fascinating to know things like Aragorn's background, why dwarves hate elves and all the other brilliant stuff that has been mentioned in this thread.
I'm going to get the Atlas of Middle Earth too as I confuse easily so if this helps I will take it.
I'm going to look on amazon UK now.
Thanks all
shell
x
:toast
I am so gonna buy this book now.
I need to know all this great background that you guys have been discussing. I bet it is fascinating to know things like Aragorn's background, why dwarves hate elves and all the other brilliant stuff that has been mentioned in this thread.
I'm going to get the Atlas of Middle Earth too as I confuse easily so if this helps I will take it.
I'm going to look on amazon UK now.
Thanks all
shell
x
:toast
N
Nemo Nint
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
I didn't own the Atlas of Middle-earth when I read the silmarillion the first time.
However, I did know of a now-non-existant website that had hundreds of high quality images of art from calendars and non-calendar artists through the years, along with many high resolution pictures from that Atlas.
SO ... I just printed out 4 pages of Beleriand, NE+NW+SE+SW portions, then cut the edges of the pages, taped them all together and laminated it.. presto! big map!
I didn't own the Atlas of Middle-earth when I read the silmarillion the first time.
However, I did know of a now-non-existant website that had hundreds of high quality images of art from calendars and non-calendar artists through the years, along with many high resolution pictures from that Atlas.
SO ... I just printed out 4 pages of Beleriand, NE+NW+SE+SW portions, then cut the edges of the pages, taped them all together and laminated it.. presto! big map!
M
Makiyu
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
I am thinking of buying the Silmarillion. What version/edition of the book would you all recommend?
I am thinking of buying the Silmarillion. What version/edition of the book would you all recommend?
B
buzzardio1080
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
silmarillion rocks
very wierd at the start but its a fantastic tale
beren is the best
he rocked the show
silmarillion rocks
very wierd at the start but its a fantastic tale
beren is the best
he rocked the show
N
Nemo Nint
Guest
Re: on a serious note... The Silmarillion
If anyone is interested-
I have 5 of the 14 History of Middle earth books.
They are for sale.
I have:
4 - The Shaping of Middle-earth
5 - The Lost Road and other writings
6 - The Return of the Shadow
8 - The War of the Ring
9 - Sauron Defeated
Sauron Defeated has a really great pile of stories in it.
The one I've read just yesterday was the Epilogue, the originally intended ending for The Lord of teh Rings.
It didn't end with "I'm Back" but it went on for a few pages years later. It's GREAT!
if you're interested, please PM me..
If anyone is interested-
I have 5 of the 14 History of Middle earth books.
They are for sale.
I have:
4 - The Shaping of Middle-earth
5 - The Lost Road and other writings
6 - The Return of the Shadow
8 - The War of the Ring
9 - Sauron Defeated
Sauron Defeated has a really great pile of stories in it.
The one I've read just yesterday was the Epilogue, the originally intended ending for The Lord of teh Rings.
It didn't end with "I'm Back" but it went on for a few pages years later. It's GREAT!
if you're interested, please PM me..
Similar threads
