Molecule8 John Lennon UPDATE 5/10/18 - SCAM COMPANY!

[EVILFACE]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Maybe they should do another podcast show explaining why their PayPal account is frozen.

 

[Rambler]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Come on M8....I need more renders!!!!

 

[jal76]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

While titles are being changed the Wonka pre-order link should be renamed "Seed Money to Keep our Company Alive."

 

[Michael Crawford]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Michael, what's you take on this company? I'll understand if you refrain from the question.

I posted the following to this thread way back at the beginning of May:

"This thread is pretty amazing - I find the psychology of it all fascinating. I don't want to be a wet blanket, and there's some things they are discussing that sound fantastic to me, from licenses to innovations. But there's also reality, and several things just don't add up right now.

- there's no way in Hell anything is shipping to customers within the next four weeks if they don't have a production sample in hand right now, let alone not even a prototype. Now maybe they already have production samples in hand and just aren't showing any photos of anything yet...but I'm not sure why they'd do that. The concern here is they remain adamant that Lennon will be shipping, even when that seems impossible, with no explanation for how it could be possible. Even if we get prototype photos by the end of this week - that's what we heard, correct? - I don't see how anything can be ready to ship to customers for several months.

- the new body looks great, but something doesn't seem to jive with the Lennon head sculpt. The body is clearly not 'traditional', but the head and neck sculpt we've seen is. Perhaps we'll see a skin covered body/neck that a traditional head can just pop on, but that's not what we've been shown so far.

- does this guy have extremely deep pockets? He must - he didn't use a funding source like Kickstarter, but undertook what would easily cost hundreds of thousands of dollars just to develop this new body and skin technique. Now, at the end of the process he has $300,000 of collector's money, certainly no small potatoes, but that's after all the development and fixed costs are complete.

- where did this guy come from? Howard Chan didn't start making a perfect sixth scale figure day one - it takes time and practice to hone the craft, just like anything else. He also didn't start out with a dozen well known licenses without ever producing a figure.

As much as I'd love to believe...or 'imagine'...something seems off. Now it's possible that this is all absolutely true, and by June 1st the lucky early adopters will be happily cradling their John Lennon. I suspect the reality will fall someplace in between, with lots of delays, lots of excuses, and product eventually in our hands in early 2018. Worst case scenario, the mystery man disappears with $300k.

Like I said, I'm hoping we get everything they've promised - it seems fantastic. But it's simply too good to be true, at least to my pragmatic brain. And I'm also very glad their first announcement wasn't the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka, because then the odds of my $300 being on the table would have gone up considerably."

In the intervening 90 days, I've talked with Vijay personally and interviewed him for the podcast. I think he's a great guy with big plans, but I have to admit that very little of my above concerns have been answered so far. As far as shipping anything goes, I'm still holding to an early 2018 assumption. We still no almost nothing about the new body and how it will work. We DO have more info on Vijay and where he comes from, and like I said, I think he's a solid guy. I don't think he's splitting town with everyone's money, but I do think he's embarked on a project that is a lot more complex than he and his partners assumed, with very little industry insider expertise. He's leveraging lots of interesting outsider knowledge, including using people from other industries that have skills that could create new insights...but you also need some folks that understand the current reality.

So while I don't think it's a scam, I do think there's still a serious lack of info, and no way anyone is going to have a Lennon figure in their hands this month.

 

[Lejuan]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Well that's what Michael wrote. Here's what a lot of people would have read:

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I'm hoping we get everything they've promised - it seems fantastic.

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[TheFiend]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

^ [emoji38]

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[Michael Crawford]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Hehehehe - you're probably right.

 

[jal76]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Lesson for M8 is a little honesty goes a long way...if they had come out and said we WANT to (not WILL) revolutionize the figure industry...we have KA Kim and some other amazing artists, Kim has made an amazing headsculpt for our first figure...now all we need are contributions from collectors to get this off the ground and you will get a Lennon figure for contributing $300...they probably would have raised MORE money because people who were otherwise skeptical may have contributed and things would be going quite differently for this company right now...

 

[pjam]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

How about just Molecule8?

I like that. How about Molecule$

 

[Underworld54]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

When asked about PayPal.

Re: Willy Wonka
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Post Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:38 am

JohnLennonFan wrote: ↑ No PayPal option for Wonka?
Hello

At present payment options on the website are credit card.

Thank you

Molecule8

 

[hoodonit00]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

The answers been in front of our eyes the whole time. Just read their name fast and it sounds like Molecule late.

 

[JacktheRipper]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

I posted the following to this thread way back at the beginning of May:

"This thread is pretty amazing - I find the psychology of it all fascinating. I don't want to be a wet blanket, and there's some things they are discussing that sound fantastic to me, from licenses to innovations. But there's also reality, and several things just don't add up right now.

- there's no way in Hell anything is shipping to customers within the next four weeks if they don't have a production sample in hand right now, let alone not even a prototype. Now maybe they already have production samples in hand and just aren't showing any photos of anything yet...but I'm not sure why they'd do that. The concern here is they remain adamant that Lennon will be shipping, even when that seems impossible, with no explanation for how it could be possible. Even if we get prototype photos by the end of this week - that's what we heard, correct? - I don't see how anything can be ready to ship to customers for several months.

- the new body looks great, but something doesn't seem to jive with the Lennon head sculpt. The body is clearly not 'traditional', but the head and neck sculpt we've seen is. Perhaps we'll see a skin covered body/neck that a traditional head can just pop on, but that's not what we've been shown so far.

- does this guy have extremely deep pockets? He must - he didn't use a funding source like Kickstarter, but undertook what would easily cost hundreds of thousands of dollars just to develop this new body and skin technique. Now, at the end of the process he has $300,000 of collector's money, certainly no small potatoes, but that's after all the development and fixed costs are complete.

- where did this guy come from? Howard Chan didn't start making a perfect sixth scale figure day one - it takes time and practice to hone the craft, just like anything else. He also didn't start out with a dozen well known licenses without ever producing a figure.

As much as I'd love to believe...or 'imagine'...something seems off. Now it's possible that this is all absolutely true, and by June 1st the lucky early adopters will be happily cradling their John Lennon. I suspect the reality will fall someplace in between, with lots of delays, lots of excuses, and product eventually in our hands in early 2018. Worst case scenario, the mystery man disappears with $300k.

Like I said, I'm hoping we get everything they've promised - it seems fantastic. But it's simply too good to be true, at least to my pragmatic brain. And I'm also very glad their first announcement wasn't the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka, because then the odds of my $300 being on the table would have gone up considerably."

In the intervening 90 days, I've talked with Vijay personally and interviewed him for the podcast. I think he's a great guy with big plans, but I have to admit that very little of my above concerns have been answered so far. As far as shipping anything goes, I'm still holding to an early 2018 assumption. We still no almost nothing about the new body and how it will work. We DO have more info on Vijay and where he comes from, and like I said, I think he's a solid guy. I don't think he's splitting town with everyone's money, but I do think he's embarked on a project that is a lot more complex than he and his partners assumed, with very little industry insider expertise. He's leveraging lots of interesting outsider knowledge, including using people from other industries that have skills that could create new insights...but you also need some folks that understand the current reality.

So while I don't think it's a scam, I do think there's still a serious lack of info, and no way anyone is going to have a Lennon figure in their hands this month.

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking the same thing, but was having a difficult time with all the accepting of what was being put out my M8.

Well that's what Michael wrote. Here's what a lot of people would have read:

The answers been in front of our eyes the whole time. Just read their name fast and it sounds like Molecule late.

I always read it as Manipulate.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

So the Molecule8 company is based in UK? I thought it was Los Angeles? Isn't that where this guy, Ajay Chadha, is from? He is the one I am corresponding with via emails right now about my refund.


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It's registred office is in the UK. It has trademark registers in LA.

It's production offices could be anywhere.

 

[robbiethepainter]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

I posted the following to this thread way back at the beginning of May:

"This thread is pretty amazing - I find the psychology of it all fascinating. I don't want to be a wet blanket, and there's some things they are discussing that sound fantastic to me, from licenses to innovations. But there's also reality, and several things just don't add up right now.

- there's no way in Hell anything is shipping to customers within the next four weeks if they don't have a production sample in hand right now, let alone not even a prototype. Now maybe they already have production samples in hand and just aren't showing any photos of anything yet...but I'm not sure why they'd do that. The concern here is they remain adamant that Lennon will be shipping, even when that seems impossible, with no explanation for how it could be possible. Even if we get prototype photos by the end of this week - that's what we heard, correct? - I don't see how anything can be ready to ship to customers for several months.

- the new body looks great, but something doesn't seem to jive with the Lennon head sculpt. The body is clearly not 'traditional', but the head and neck sculpt we've seen is. Perhaps we'll see a skin covered body/neck that a traditional head can just pop on, but that's not what we've been shown so far.

- does this guy have extremely deep pockets? He must - he didn't use a funding source like Kickstarter, but undertook what would easily cost hundreds of thousands of dollars just to develop this new body and skin technique. Now, at the end of the process he has $300,000 of collector's money, certainly no small potatoes, but that's after all the development and fixed costs are complete.

- where did this guy come from? Howard Chan didn't start making a perfect sixth scale figure day one - it takes time and practice to hone the craft, just like anything else. He also didn't start out with a dozen well known licenses without ever producing a figure.

As much as I'd love to believe...or 'imagine'...something seems off. Now it's possible that this is all absolutely true, and by June 1st the lucky early adopters will be happily cradling their John Lennon. I suspect the reality will fall someplace in between, with lots of delays, lots of excuses, and product eventually in our hands in early 2018. Worst case scenario, the mystery man disappears with $300k.

Like I said, I'm hoping we get everything they've promised - it seems fantastic. But it's simply too good to be true, at least to my pragmatic brain. And I'm also very glad their first announcement wasn't the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka, because then the odds of my $300 being on the table would have gone up considerably."

In the intervening 90 days, I've talked with Vijay personally and interviewed him for the podcast. I think he's a great guy with big plans, but I have to admit that very little of my above concerns have been answered so far. As far as shipping anything goes, I'm still holding to an early 2018 assumption. We still no almost nothing about the new body and how it will work. We DO have more info on Vijay and where he comes from, and like I said, I think he's a solid guy. I don't think he's splitting town with everyone's money, but I do think he's embarked on a project that is a lot more complex than he and his partners assumed, with very little industry insider expertise. He's leveraging lots of interesting outsider knowledge, including using people from other industries that have skills that could create new insights...but you also need some folks that understand the current reality.

So while I don't think it's a scam, I do think there's still a serious lack of info, and no way anyone is going to have a Lennon figure in their hands this month.

This

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

What would you expect from a CEO who hasn't remained at a company for more than about a year for the last decade -- even companies he started.

But then everyone loved his video interview on the future of 1/6th. Good salesman.

He has remained Director at 2 Companies (currently active) since 2011.

 

[SAB]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

He has remained Director at 2 Companies (currently active) since 2011.

Well Im convinced *throws money at screen*

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

Well Im convinced *throws money at screen*

I wasn't saying it for that I was just stating the facts.

Wouldn't trust this company one iota.

 

[greatlakes6]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

I posted the following to this thread way back at the beginning of May:

"This thread is pretty amazing - I find the psychology of it all fascinating. I don't want to be a wet blanket, and there's some things they are discussing that sound fantastic to me, from licenses to innovations. But there's also reality, and several things just don't add up right now.

- there's no way in Hell anything is shipping to customers within the next four weeks if they don't have a production sample in hand right now, let alone not even a prototype. Now maybe they already have production samples in hand and just aren't showing any photos of anything yet...but I'm not sure why they'd do that. The concern here is they remain adamant that Lennon will be shipping, even when that seems impossible, with no explanation for how it could be possible. Even if we get prototype photos by the end of this week - that's what we heard, correct? - I don't see how anything can be ready to ship to customers for several months.

- the new body looks great, but something doesn't seem to jive with the Lennon head sculpt. The body is clearly not 'traditional', but the head and neck sculpt we've seen is. Perhaps we'll see a skin covered body/neck that a traditional head can just pop on, but that's not what we've been shown so far.

- does this guy have extremely deep pockets? He must - he didn't use a funding source like Kickstarter, but undertook what would easily cost hundreds of thousands of dollars just to develop this new body and skin technique. Now, at the end of the process he has $300,000 of collector's money, certainly no small potatoes, but that's after all the development and fixed costs are complete.

- where did this guy come from? Howard Chan didn't start making a perfect sixth scale figure day one - it takes time and practice to hone the craft, just like anything else. He also didn't start out with a dozen well known licenses without ever producing a figure.

As much as I'd love to believe...or 'imagine'...something seems off. Now it's possible that this is all absolutely true, and by June 1st the lucky early adopters will be happily cradling their John Lennon. I suspect the reality will fall someplace in between, with lots of delays, lots of excuses, and product eventually in our hands in early 2018. Worst case scenario, the mystery man disappears with $300k.

Like I said, I'm hoping we get everything they've promised - it seems fantastic. But it's simply too good to be true, at least to my pragmatic brain. And I'm also very glad their first announcement wasn't the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka, because then the odds of my $300 being on the table would have gone up considerably."

In the intervening 90 days, I've talked with Vijay personally and interviewed him for the podcast. I think he's a great guy with big plans, but I have to admit that very little of my above concerns have been answered so far. As far as shipping anything goes, I'm still holding to an early 2018 assumption. We still no almost nothing about the new body and how it will work. We DO have more info on Vijay and where he comes from, and like I said, I think he's a solid guy. I don't think he's splitting town with everyone's money, but I do think he's embarked on a project that is a lot more complex than he and his partners assumed, with very little industry insider expertise. He's leveraging lots of interesting outsider knowledge, including using people from other industries that have skills that could create new insights...but you also need some folks that understand the current reality.

So while I don't think it's a scam, I do think there's still a serious lack of info, and no way anyone is going to have a Lennon figure in their hands this month.

Words of wisdom

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

320 pages of bull feces

 

[Underworld54]

Re: Molecule8 - 1/6th Scale John Lennon

More BS?