Wow, more than 50,000 views while there wasn't even a real figure teaser yet.
It's aboout time imo!
)but in the second instance, my argument that we don't need to see exactly how the LOS discovered the location of the armory is
But it's established that he isn't that smart. I guess he "evolved" into a smarter guy (retroactively, of course, since he would have had to have made the copies BEFORE he gave the plans to Fox---which means he would have learned his lesson that he should plan better from the confrontation with Fox---before his confrontation with Fox
Precisely and in lieu of this fact one would think that he would rethink his methods prior to going on national television lacking any evidence as you've asserted.
Confronting Fox was one failed attempt. You make it seem as if he's done it numerous times.
Its been established? How? you're gauging his acuity purely from a single incident that didn't go right?
Yes, it would be asinine on his part. And yet, rushing headfirst into situations that he can't handle without first thinking it through is exactly his M.O. See: his blackmailing attempt. It is absolutely in keeping with what we've seen from him before that he didn't plan this out thoroughly. Before he goes to TV, the last thing that happens with him is he walks away in defeat after giving up the Tumbler plans. He knows he lost. You think Fox kept him employed there after the blackmail attempt? He later decides to change his mind and go on TV to reveal Bruce's secret. Sure, if only he was the type of guy who thought things through, I might agree with you that he planned ahead to have copies of the proof, even though he gave it to Fox. But it's established that he isn't that smart. I guess he "evolved" into a smarter guy (retroactively, of course, since he would have had to have made the copies BEFORE he gave the plans to Fox---which means he would have learned his lesson that he should plan better from the confrontation with Fox---before his confrontation with Fox
It's interesting that you are perfectly willing to accept something like this probably happened offscreen (even though we see no aftermath of this being the case onscreen), yet you refuse to accept that the LOS discovered the existence and precise location of Batman's armory offscreen (even though we DO see the direct aftermath of this occuring onscreen). Your argument that Reese has copies hinges on but in the second instance, my argument that we don't need to see exactly how the LOS discovered the location of the armory is
100% agree. The LOS found the armory because Talia was on the Wayne board and also Fox showed her where the Energy Project was. She got the intel and then told Bane. And the purpose not to show us Bane finding the armory is because after he defeated batman in the sewers, we the audience are shocked Bane found it, just like Bruce was. We are supposed to feel shock there. If we had a scene showing Bane stumbling upon the armory, that fight scene showing he beaten Bruce wouldn't be as effective. So you as the viewer realize, Holy Crap!!! he found it, how??? Then at the end you find out its because of Talia was behind it all.
Now you're purposely being dishonest. You're deceitfully attempting to pin something on me that you yourself of was guilty from the onset.
I brought this to your attention in my previous reply now you're backpedaling by accusing me of doing it. I even specifically stated that I didn't
disregard your far fetched explanation of how Bane knew the whereabouts of Batman's armory.
"Again what you propose is conjecture that was never seen nor mentioned in TDKR, but I wouldn't inherently dismiss it out of the realm of possibility even though it sounds far fetched. Unfortunately with the C. Reese discussion others that believe it to be an unresolved loose end in the search for Batman aren't afforded that same luxury":-Azrael
While you were more than casually willing to be dismissive of the Reese argument in favor of things depicted on onscreen, you had no qualms with completely fabricate an entire scenario based upon nothing depicted on screen when it came to the hidden armory. You clearly want it both ways.
How exactly does that make him look like an idiot? She works there for a period of time, gains the trust of Fox and other Wayne Enterprises employees, and eventually makes excuses to stay late or whatever to investigate the premises. She knows Bruce's secret already and would just need to figure out where he's hiding his secrets. She wouldn't gain access since Fox had applied sciences sealed off but if she's familiar with the building and the grounds it's built on she could at least get an idea where it is.
At least I'm basing it on something we've seen of the character. On what are you basing your position that Reese thinks things through and sufficiently plans before acting? More stuff that "probably happened" offscreen (and that would run directly counter to what we have seen of him onscreen) that show his planning skills?
As I said she didn't have to access the applied sciences division but certainly the entire building isn't sealed off. She becomes familiar enough with the building and the grounds and could potentially deduce where something could be hidden. It isn't that far fetched but I'm convinced you'll make any argument to put down The Dark Knight Rises. I get you don't like it but does every last detail have to be shown for it to make sense to you. Some things you can piece together on your own.
