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[jedijim3002]

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[Turtle882]

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Holdo does not approve. Lol. That's pretty good cosplay though. I imagine that fabric is a royal pain to work with.

 

[SilverStar17]

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[TaliBane]

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Holdo does not approve. Lol. That's pretty good cosplay though. I imagine that fabric is a royal pain to work with.

You look at that photo and think it's just the FABRIC would be a royal pain to work with?

 

[vito81]

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Do you think Hot Toys will include the gun?

 

[momaw]

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My 2c on the x-wing. Most estimates have Luke on Ahch-to for at least 10 years or more. Even if the cabin remained pressurised to keep water out, which is unlikely as a seal to space is very different to a seal to water and pressure, but lets pretend that's the case in the shallows here, we know water is getting into everything else, based on what we saw in ESB when they lifted the x-wing out of the swamp. Ocean water is corrosive. Add the likelihood of fish and other marine animals making it home and chewing through bits. That x-wing isn't going anywhere without a major overhaul and replacement parts. Even if you half it to 5 years, that x-wing is still an internal rust bucket.

 

[TaliBane]

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My 2c on the x-wing. Most estimates have Luke on Ahch-to for at least 10 years or more. Even if the cabin remained pressurised to keep water out, which is unlikely as a seal to space is very different to a seal to water and pressure, but lets pretend that's the case in the shallows here, we know water is getting into everything else, based on what we saw in ESB when they lifted the x-wing out of the swamp. Ocean water is corrosive. Add the likelihood of fish and other marine animals making it home and chewing through bits. That x-wing isn't going anywhere without a major overhaul and replacement parts. Even if you half it to 5 years, that x-wing is still an internal rust bucket.

"Estimates"? And X-Wings are made of mild steel that rusts? And the oceans of Ah-choo are salty?

Fan guestimates and conjecture aside, here's the deal: the TLJ artwork shows something clearly, indisputably WRECKED and unusable. For the final film - whatever the reason - that was CHANGED to show a level, intact fighter simply submerged in shallow water near the shoreline. Without the angled hull, broken-off wing, missing cannon, holes throughout hull and wings, missing canopy and nose drilled into the rocks seen in the artwork.

There's no conclusion that can be reached - based on actual evidence, and not fan conjecture - other than that the filmmakers wanted to make it unclear whether the x-wing could still function or not.

 

[momaw]

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"Estimates"? And X-Wings are made of mild steel that rusts? And the oceans of Ah-choo are salty?

The frame of the x-wing may be made of some special star wars alloy that is nice and tough and resistant to years of water submersion (if you want to guesstimate and conjecture a little). But electronics don't survive years submerged in an ocean (salt or no salt). There's really zero fan conjecture in that. Unless we want to conjecture that the entire x-wing, circuits, wires and all are made of magical vibranium.

 

[Turtle882]

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10 year estimates are wrong. 6 years prior to TFA, Ben, unturned, was with Luke, and the FO had yet to make full fledged appearance. I'd be wary about applying earth physics to the degradation of starships from a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

 

[vito81]

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Headsculpt revealed...

 

[Cagoda]

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Headsculpt revealed...

Where?

 

[Tortfeazor]

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Headsculpt revealed...

that would be something they would do.

 

[ajp4mgs]

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There's no conclusion that can be reached - based on actual evidence, and not fan conjecture - other than that the filmmakers wanted to make it unclear whether the x-wing could still function or not.

That's the whole point, though. As has been noted multiple times in the last several pages, the X-Wing condition being left somewhat ambiguous would benefit the illusion of an in-the-flesh appearance by Luke on Crait later in the movie. After the projection is revealed, yes, it would have been nice (I suppose) to get confirmation of the inoperable condition. But can't an audience just be expected to connect basic dots?

Dot #1: An X-Wing has been submerged underwater by a guy who intended to live out the rest of his days there on Ahch-To.
Dot #2: Luke wanted to go with Rey after he reconnected with the Force (and with Leia). That's why he hurried to Rey's hut to make sure she hadn't left yet; but seeing her there with Kylo caused him to turn his back on her again (both literally and figuratively).
Dot #3: Yoda later convinces Luke that he should indeed help Rey (and the Resistance).
Dot #4: He ends up dying in order to show up on Crait.

Connecting the dots: Luke wanted to be there - and actually being there might not have cost him his life - but he had no means to actually get there in the flesh after the Falcon left because the X-Wing was inoperable. So he died having to find another way to "be" there to help.

The intent all along was for the X-Wing to be inoperable (further evidenced by the concept art of the wrecked X-Wing). The fact that it doesn't look nearly as damaged in the movie would play to those in the audience inclined to think he would've lifted it from the water (ala Dagobah) to get to Crait in person. It's a bit of film-making slight-of-hand, and probably worked to help keep some viewers from concluding that Luke wasn't actually there before being surprised by the climactic reveal. So, what's the actual problem with any of this? Would it have been better to show a wrecked X-Wing that might have prevented the projection reveal from being as surprising?

 

[Khev]

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Yep, as members of the audience we don't always get to have every single filmmaking choice explained but keeping the X-Wing condition ambiguous as a means to keep the projection reveal a surprise makes the most logical sense to me.

 

[Tortfeazor]

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Agreed with the points above.

Except I think it’s a misreading to say that the act of Luke projecting himself to Crait is what actually caused him to “die”.

I think him climbing back up on the rock, looking at the two suns, and finally vanishing and leaving his cloak behind was a conscious choice, which is backed by Rey saying he left with “peace and purpose”. The act itself, while exhausting, didn’t kill him. As he said to Kylo, he’ll always be with him, just like his father. He sees that he can be more as one with the Force than as a physical being.

 

[SilverStar17]

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That's the whole point, though. As has been noted multiple times in the last several pages, the X-Wing condition being left somewhat ambiguous would benefit the illusion of an in-the-flesh appearance by Luke on Crait later in the movie. After the projection is revealed, yes, it would have been nice (I suppose) to get confirmation of the inoperable condition. But can't an audience just be expected to connect basic dots?

Dot #1: An X-Wing has been submerged underwater by a guy who intended to live out the rest of his days there on Ahch-To.
Dot #2: Luke wanted to go with Rey after he reconnected with the Force (and with Leia). That's why he hurried to Rey's hut to make sure she hadn't left yet; but seeing her there with Kylo caused him to turn his back on her again (both literally and figuratively).
Dot #3: Yoda later convinces Luke that he should indeed help Rey (and the Resistance).
Dot #4: He ends up dying in order to show up on Crait.

Connecting the dots: Luke wanted to be there - and actually being there might not have cost him his life - but he had no means to actually get there in the flesh after the Falcon left because the X-Wing was inoperable. So he died having to find another way to "be" there to help.

The intent all along was for the X-Wing to be inoperable (further evidenced by the concept art of the wrecked X-Wing). The fact that it doesn't look nearly as damaged in the movie would play to those in the audience inclined to think he would've lifted it from the water (ala Dagobah) to get to Crait in person. It's a bit of film-making slight-of-hand, and probably worked to help keep some viewers from concluding that Luke wasn't actually there before being surprised by the climactic reveal. So, what's the actual problem with any of this? Would it have been better to show a wrecked X-Wing that might have prevented the projection reveal from being as surprising?

Good post.

 

[Cicada17]

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"Estimates"? And X-Wings are made of mild steel that rusts? And the oceans of Ah-choo are salty?

Fan guestimates and conjecture aside, here's the deal: the TLJ artwork shows something clearly, indisputably WRECKED and unusable. For the final film - whatever the reason - that was CHANGED to show a level, intact fighter simply submerged in shallow water near the shoreline. Without the angled hull, broken-off wing, missing cannon, holes throughout hull and wings, missing canopy and nose drilled into the rocks seen in the artwork.

There's no conclusion that can be reached - based on actual evidence, and not fan conjecture - other than that the filmmakers wanted to make it unclear whether the x-wing could still function or not.

I’ve been wanting to see the pics side by side. Thanks for posting. Upon zooming into the picture, to me, it actually looks like there are holes in it. Not as many as the concept, but I see holes in both wings and the nose. I’ve circled a few here:

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[TaliBane]

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I’ve been wanting to see the pics side by side. Thanks for posting. Upon zooming into the picture, to me, it actually looks like there are holes in it. Not as many as the concept, but I see holes in both wings and the nose. I’ve circled a few here:

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Your circles are around: (1) a (intact) red/maroon squadron marking and (2) the darkened narrow "glass" triangle on the side of the cockpit canopy (the larger top/front face of the canopy appears to be catching sunlight so appears whitish) (3) the dark grey squadron marking that's on the angled panel next to x-wing engine "barrels" shown here:

Obviously the water obscures much detail, but my point remains - there is NOTHING in that image from the movie that clearly conveys "wrecked" or "unusable" whereas the artwork is instantly clear: wrecked and unusable.

That's the whole point, though. As has been noted multiple times in the last several pages, the X-Wing condition being left somewhat ambiguous would benefit the illusion of an in-the-flesh appearance by Luke on Crait later in the movie. After the projection is revealed, yes, it would have been nice (I suppose) to get confirmation of the inoperable condition. But can't an audience just be expected to connect basic dots?

Dot #1: An X-Wing has been submerged underwater by a guy who intended to live out the rest of his days there on Ahch-To.
Dot #2: Luke wanted to go with Rey after he reconnected with the Force (and with Leia). That's why he hurried to Rey's hut to make sure she hadn't left yet; but seeing her there with Kylo caused him to turn his back on her again (both literally and figuratively).
Dot #3: Yoda later convinces Luke that he should indeed help Rey (and the Resistance).
Dot #4: He ends up dying in order to show up on Crait.

Connecting the dots: Luke wanted to be there - and actually being there might not have cost him his life - but he had no means to actually get there in the flesh after the Falcon left because the X-Wing was inoperable. So he died having to find another way to "be" there to help.

The intent all along was for the X-Wing to be inoperable (further evidenced by the concept art of the wrecked X-Wing). The fact that it doesn't look nearly as damaged in the movie would play to those in the audience inclined to think he would've lifted it from the water (ala Dagobah) to get to Crait in person. It's a bit of film-making slight-of-hand, and probably worked to help keep some viewers from concluding that Luke wasn't actually there before being surprised by the climactic reveal. So, what's the actual problem with any of this? Would it have been better to show a wrecked X-Wing that might have prevented the projection reveal from being as surprising?

You're coming at it bass-ackwards.

The point is, did Luke have the OPTION of physically following Rey to Crait? This discussion began because people seemed to indicate that the x-wing was wrecked so he had no other option but to do the projection. It's the option part you seem to be overlooking.

It's a critical point because this is part of a larger conversation about how Luke is depicted/portrayed/written in TLJ, which appears to be the most significant one of the issues people have with the movie. I'm trying to get to the bottom of how everyone sees these components that make up the whole (the dice are another one, as is Luke's "plan" - or "not plan" - and who knew about it)

All I'm trying to do at this point is to get agreement that there is nothing in that shot of the x-wing - that shows it sitting level and apparently intact and on level bottom in very shallow water - that says "inoperable."

I hear your "takes" and interpretations - but my point is, they did artwork that was clear, and the final shot they did NOT do that (when there are so many ways to make "wrecked ship" clear,) so it is MEANT to be unclear as Khev says (and I love his idea of the returning to the wrecked x-wing after Luke's death in a haunting shot )

The whole Crait sequence has a LOT of confusing/unclear key elements, even to people who enjoyed it, and I get it's "touchy" to delve, but it's important (at least to me) to get to the bottom of what was intended (no ocean parking space pun implied.)

 

[Cicada17]

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Your circles are around: (1) a (intact) red/maroon squadron marking and (2) the darkened narrow "glass" triangle on the side of the cockpit canopy (the larger top/front face of the canopy appears to be catching sunlight so appears whitish) (3) the dark grey squadron marking that's on the angled panel next to x-wing engine "barrels" shown here:

Obviously the water obscures much detail, but my point remains - there is NOTHING in that image from the movie that clearly conveys "wrecked" or "unusable" whereas the artwork is instantly clear: wrecked and unusable.

Thank you for clearing that up.


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[Wor-Gar]

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The fact that it doesn't look nearly as damaged in the movie would play to those in the audience inclined to think he would've lifted it from the water (ala Dagobah) to get to Crait in person. It's a bit of film-making slight-of-hand, and probably worked to help keep some viewers from concluding that Luke wasn't actually there before being surprised by the climactic reveal.

It worked on me. That's exactly what I assumed.

But I have to agree that it doesn't look damaged underwater to me at all. Just looks submerged. Deliberate obviously, because making it look like an inoperable wreck would have been really easy.