NEW PREDATOR 1 MAQUETTE by Sideshow

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Yep! His review made me pretty excited to receive mine.

And so it should - he was REALLY positive about it. It was a shame that all the major issues - those that were enough to stop others buying - were minimised by him. As such it came over as a little misleading - not hugely so - just a little.

I came away with the impression that he's a keen collector, and meant well, but his standards (at least on THIS) were below those of many other collectors. Sincerely pleased he's thrilled with it though.

Won't affect your decision as you are already well-informed, also won't affect those who don't care about the shortcomings as they should be happy as well.

Honestly, I'm yet to see a single person whos received this and was disappointed other than Burtial, and that was because his heads were loose. He seemed pretty happy with it too until that point.

Yeah - probably because most people who had doubts about its accuracy and VFM didn't order


I think what's caused us all the biggest problem over the last 2 years (besides Sideshow's deliverable ) has been conflating the answers to the following:

1. "Are you happy with it?" and/or "Is it worth the money to you?"
2. Is it a movie-accurate collectible?

The first we shouldn't argue about - that's personal opinion - and people getting into a tiz about that should be mocked accordingly (why change anything now )

The second, has been proven without question. Nothing will ever be 100% accurate, but this just has SO many serious flaws when compared to the character that anybody being honest would have to admit the fair and representative answer is "No".


Per Jason's comments a few days back, I would hope that folks won't malign those who answer "Yes" to question #1 unless they are disingenuous enough to try to claim "Yes" to question #2 (then it's open season ).

I STILL want everyone to LOVE what they get.

I also want Sideshow and others to up their game AND approach to delivery regarding future Predator pieces.

(* I also want world peace - that may be easier at this point *)​

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[Heavy Metal Spike]

I love Regan . . .

I wasn't old enough to really take things in that well at the time, but he seems to be remembered fondly for the most part.

Both for his Movies AND his other career

. . . I guess I should have said to those that liked it in the first place . . .

Right - gotcha - that makes more sense.

. . . Even though I still love mine . . .

THAT is what is important.

Case closed.

Period

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[JAWS]

Right - gotcha - that makes more sense.




THAT is what is important.

Case closed.

Period

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[Lugal]

In the end, it's up to the collectors to decide "Which one is a worthy addition into my collection?".
Everything else is just an opinion.

And before someone brags about this maquette's on-screen accuracy or they only accept the version that have major screentime, they need to realized that in the film...

The Predator's armor looks like painted cheap plastic when closed up:



Or even worse, Alien 3, because it actually looks like this in the movie:


So Prime 1 Dog is NOT accurate. Except those split-second shots in the final battle of course.

And Prime 1 Endoskeleton's pose was like he suddenly realized he forgot to put off a stove in the kitchen.

Cinemaquette Predator is garbage for having large head. NOT accurate at all.

See? Anyone can nitpick. Anyone can say anything. To the collector, the only thing that matter is: Are you happy with it? Is it worth it? THAT is the most important question.

I think this SS new Jungle Hunter Predator maquette isn't bad at all (except that weak magnet issue) even when compared to the old SWS maquette. Whatever you say, It IS an OK representation of what people perceive to be the Predator from 1987 movie. Someone love it and buy it, justify themselves with reasons why this thing is worth it. Someone don't and they wait for other companies to do it and justify themselves with whatever reasons why they don't want this. The end.

 

[zombini]

The Cinamaquette is a great statue but it is not screen accurate even though ECC made it. It also has those so called 'piss drops' on the forehead.

 

[csutkakoma]

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These pred maqs are very large when next to 1/4 scale pieces.
TOT is the same.

The Dutch PF and the Pred maquette are not in scale with each other. The maquette is so out of propotion compared to him its not even funny.

 

[xpl0sive]

And so it should - he was REALLY positive about it. It was a shame that all the major issues - those that were enough to stop others buying - were minimised by him. As such it came over as a little misleading - not hugely so - just a little.

I came away with the impression that he's a keen collector, and meant well, but his standards (at least on THIS) were below those of many other collectors. Sincerely pleased he's thrilled with it though.

Won't affect your decision as you are already well-informed, also won't affect those who don't care about the shortcomings as they should be happy as well.

The thing is, what one collector might see as major issues, someone else may not see as a big deal. I guess to him, those issues are not big enough to detract from the piece. I'm sort of in the same boat in that sense. I see the flaws, but they do not bother me enough to turn me off this piece like some. To me, it still looks awesome overall, I still see the Jungle Hunter Predator from the original film when I look at it, and it looks like the quality is there.

Yeah - probably because most people who had doubts about its accuracy and VFM didn't order

I understand, but what I'm getting at is that if it was a bad quality piece, at least somebody would have a lacklustre review of it in hand. I've only seen glowing reviews, and people saying that it looks better than they expected.

I think what's caused us all the biggest problem over the last 2 years (besides Sideshow's deliverable ) has been conflating the answers to the following:

1. "Are you happy with it?" and/or "Is it worth the money to you?"
2. Is it a movie-accurate collectible?

Pretty much. Plenty of people are happy with it, but a lot of forum members have trouble respecting that. As for the accuracy, as you said, nothing is truly accurate, and what some perceive as major issues may not seem major to someone else. For me personally, the biggest things are the likeness to the character/actor, the pose and overall quality of the piece. I can overlook certain aspects of a statue if these criteria are met, and while they certainly didn't nail the likeness of the character on this piece, I feel like they got close enough IMO.

I STILL want everyone to LOVE what they get.

Good on you, as that's how it should be. Unfortunately not everyone on here feels the same way.

I also want Sideshow and others to up their game AND approach to delivery regarding future Predator pieces.

This is a fair call. Without having this in hand, just going by peoples' comments, it sounds like the quality on this piece is there, they've just missed the mark when it comes to accuracy. At least it seems like they did a better job than the P2 Maquette, so perhaps they will improve on future pieces. If not, at least there will be options from other companies for those who are not satisfied.

 

[Python]

Or even worse, Alien 3, because it actually looks like this in the movie:


So Prime 1 Dog is NOT accurate. Except those split-second shots in the final battle of course.

This isn't entirely accurate or fair. There were many different suits and maquettes etc made for the dog Alien, each for a specific purpose. The picture you posted is of tom woodrfuff jr inside a suit that wasn't made to be a full "hero" type suit. So of course the Prime 1 maquette isn't accurate to that suit, but it is accurate to the over all look of the character that the movie portrayed. Lot's of movie props look rough around the edges behind the scenes. What matters is what it all looks like on screen after a lot of magic has happened. In this regard, companies like Coolprops sometimes go too far with their prop accuracy. Both feet pointing to the right on their Big chap maquette for example which looks silly.

 

[Lugal]

You see, my point is to satire an obsessiveness over screen accuracy because in the end, there is no 100% accurate model. People just "perceive" what certain character should look like. As I stated that The Predator suit in 1987 movie actually looks rough and cheap-looking in most close-up shots. It does not look as clean/ sharply detailed as SWS maquette portrayed at all so you can drop "100% accuracy" arguments on that.

For Prime 1 Dog Alien, people said it's the most accurate and the best maquette ever but in fact, in Alien 3, you couldn't even be sure what Dog Alien actually looks like. His looks change from time to time because technology limitations. There are few times he looks skinny in very-short-length-full-body-shots but in most closeup and memorable scenes such as the piston/ Dillon's death/ get to the sprinkler, it's what you see in the pics above. Is it even accurate? No. But it is accurate to what it should to be, according to viewer's perception.

So in the end for me, accuracy is not important as the question: "Is it accurate to what you think it should look like?". Sure, I did bashed this piece in the past but after seeing it in person... I just couldn't get all the hate for it. Except for that magnet issue. SS did fine job with this and it is a fine representation of The Predator from 1987 movie. Is it perfect? No. Far from it. But there is also no point to bashing it and the person who likes it, just to justify why you didn't buy it IMHO.

EDIT: To sum up the ideas...
1. There is no point obsessing over "100% screen-accuracy" in an old B cult movie like this.
2. Because the actual props suck. The creature doesn't even look good in the film anyway.
3. That's why if there's a statue with "100% screen accuracy", it will look BAD.
4. Then there's some people bashing this JH maquette for being non-accurate. Ignoring its overall appearance.
5. They comparing this JH maquette to Prime 1 Alien 3 (Dog) maquette, claming that is so accurate, but it isn't.
6. Because in Alien 3, Dog doesn't even look like that most of the time. Prime 1's just has an appearance of what they think Dog should look like. Hence being NOT 100% accurate.
7. The same could be said to this new JH maquette. THIS is what the creature should look like to people who like it too. It is NOT 100% accurate as well.
8. So what's the difference? Why bashing this, ignoring its overall appearance anyway? Just to justify certain reasons why they didn't buy it?

 

[burtial]

The Dutch PF and the Pred maquette are not in scale with each other. The maquette is so out of propotion compared to him its not even funny.

I totally agree. I know Ian thinks differently, but man...it just doesn't look right. Even the pic when the JH picks him up and they look face to face, the JH bio-mask isn't terribly larger than Dutches head. NOTHING like the difference in size between the 2 statues.

 

[Python]

You see, my point is to satire an obsessiveness over screen accuracy because in the end, there is no 100% accurate model. People just "perceive" what certain character should look like. As I stated that The Predator suit in 1987 movie actually looks rough and cheap-looking in most close-up shots. It does not look as clean/ sharply detailed as SWS maquette portrayed at all so you can drop "100% accuracy" arguments on that.

For Prime 1 Dog Alien, people said it's the most accurate and the best maquette ever but in fact, in Alien 3, you couldn't even be sure what Dog Alien actually looks like. His looks change from time to time because technology limitations. There are few times he looks skinny in very-short-length-full-body-shots but in most closeup and memorable scenes such as the piston/ Dillon's death/ get to the sprinkler, it's what you see in the pics above. Is it even accurate? No. But it is accurate to what it should to be, according to viewer's perception.

So in the end for me, accuracy is not important as the question: "Is it accurate to what you think it should look like?". Sure, I did bashed this piece in the past but after seeing it in person... I just couldn't get all the hate for it. Except for that magnet issue. SS did fine job with this and it is a fine representation of The Predator from 1987 movie. Is it perfect? No. Far from it. But there is also no point to bashing it and the person who likes it, just to justify why you didn't buy it IMHO.

I mean I get what you're trying to say..... kind of. But I wouldn't even begin to compare this P1 to the Prime 1 Dog alien. That thing is leagues ahead in almost every way and I don't think it is even in question that it's the best Dog alien collectible ever made, even as subjective as that may be. Can you point out as more accurate example? Even the old Sideshow/ADI version which is considered a "grail" by many looks very aged next to the Prime 1 version. Yes there are different props, stunt and hero props etc. But you have to draw the line somewhere and most things do stay the same. Sideshow make silly little mistakes with their Predators consistently that cannot be explained away by variations in the studio props. I think this maquette is good, but like their P2 maquette which I do own and like, it could have been so much better. I don't think the Prime 1 Dog Alien could be improved much frankly, that's the big difference.

I'm not sure the last line applies to me so I'll ignore it, I only replied to you due to the Dog Alien comments...

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

. . .

I couldn't really follow any of that

So I'll cover all bases to be polite - select your preference:

1) I agree 100%
2) I may agree with some of what you posted
3) Rubbish​

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[Heavy Metal Spike]

The Dutch PF and the Pred maquette are not in scale with each other. The maquette is so out of propotion compared to him its not even funny.

You say it as if you really believe that - yet you're STILL wrong

I totally agree. I know Ian thinks differently, but man...it just doesn't look right. Even the pic when the JH picks him up and they look face to face, the JH bio-mask isn't terribly larger than Dutches head. NOTHING like the difference in size between the 2 statues.

K - because it's you Jason - I'll be extra patient . . .

We are not talking about face sizes (we already know the Sideshow bio is oversized anyways). We are talking about height.

Look at all the photos shared a few pages back showing the relative sizes differences of KPH and Arnie.

Look at the screen shots from the movie - 1 of which is repeated below on far right (make sure you scroll on your phone to see it!)

Look up the heights of the characters and the statues. Then do the math.

End result - everything shows that they are in scale.

What's likely throwing some people (aside from stubbornness and a reluctance to admit they are wrong) is the crouched pose of the Sideshow Dutch makes him look shorter (as was pointed out by someone else back in those same posts) .





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[burtial]

I think this is one we could go round and round about...I mean, Hall is listed at 7'2"...even with all of the Pred stuff on him making him taller, that would put Dutch at about a barely 5' tall man looking at those statues together.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I think this is one we could go round and round about . . .

Wasn't that a RATT song? (with a really dodgy video)

So you're still not seeing the end picture?


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[burtial]

I remember that song WELL. lol

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I remember that song WELL. lol

We will have to agree to disagree.

Perfect - we can agree on that then . . . man - see how easy it is when people are polite

(* PS: I'm actually 8 foot 4, I just look 6 foot in my Sideshow statue - and THAT is the wrong scale too! *)

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[burtial]

Perfect - we can agree on that then . . . man - see how easy it is when people are polite

(* PS: I'm actually 8 foot 4, I just look 6 foot in my Sideshow statue - and THAT is the wrong scale too! *)

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Hopefully your head doesn't fall off also...

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Hopefully your head doesn't fall off also...

That happened years ago - too much Motorhead . . .

. . . I've managed OK without it though (*except for getting hoodies to fit - that can be a pain *)​

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[burtial]

That happened years ago - too much Motorhead . . .

. . . I've managed OK without it though (*except for getting hoodies to fit - that can be a pain *)​

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Funny you mention that...I played in bands since the late 80's....and years of headbanging has caught up with me. I go in for a spinal fusion in my neck this Wednesday.