Will the PT be loved more or hated more after TFA releases?

[Wor-Gar]

The idea behind the choreography of the fight was to represent the fact that absolute equals were fighting.
Obi-Wan being Anakin's master, they wanted the characters to kinda mirror each other's movements.

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[ShadowX81]

Is Kyle-o better than Anakin?
Is General Grievous more of a waste of time than the casino planet, or hell, the entire plot of TLJ?
Is Anakin's 5 minute turn worse than literally no character development in 2 whole movies for Ray?
Is the acting in the ST better than in the PT?

The answer to those questions is an objective and resounding no, which means there are no prequel apologists, there are observant, rational and impartial people, there are, however, sequel apologists, lots of them.

This comes from someone who would pile on WWEJedi.

The prequels may not be good film-making, which makes the fact that the sequels are worse, an impressive feat.

As far as I'm concerned the lesser of two evils is still evil. The problems with the sequels you brought up are still problems (that i've been vocally critical of), but that doesn't erase the comparisons to the problems in the prequels.

The sequels are disasters in numerous ways that ive spent the better part of this past month talking about. But even at their worst id still say that they have better acting, effects, and overall quality of filmmaking as a craft than the prequels.

 

[RIDDICK]

I'm really surprised that so many people seem to be defending ROTS, when at the time it was widely seen as "just another AOTC". A view that I still hold. As far as I'm concerned, George Lucas stuck the landing on the prequels about as well as Harrison Ford on a golf course.

Anakin was more whiney and effeminate than the previous movie, everything with General Grevious was a waste of time, Anikan's turn to the dark side happened in 5 minutes mostly offscreen, more beyond crappy acting that takes you right out of the film, too much CGI in an age where CGI still kind of sucked, bad dialogue, and dear god that mess that was the final duel. That duel represented everything wrong with the prequels. Too long, silly dialogue, incredibly crappy acting, scenery that got more and more ridiculous, clear emphasis on spectacle over any substance. I am honestly shocked that anyone can see that crap scene as a quality piece of film making.

All of this is completely wrong, of course.
I don't even need to explain why, it was talked to death already.

 

[Adolfo]

PT. ..hell AOTC alone > ST

 

[Prime Clone]

Probably time to update my mantra...

TFA = better made
PT = more original
TLJ = more original, less SW

 

[Adolfo]

Probably time to update my mantra...

TFA = better made
PT = more original
TLJ = more original, less SW

very well put...SW murdered

 

[Chakor]

Its definitely weird how there's a lot of prequel apologists coming forward after TLJ, especially about ROTS. I grew up on the prequels, so I always saw myself as a control group in the "nostalgia" vs "quality" debate. And even at a young age I knew something was wrong.

I'm really surprised that so many people seem to be defending ROTS, when at the time it was widely seen as "just another AOTC". A view that I still hold. As far as I'm concerned, George Lucas stuck the landing on the prequels about as well as Harrison Ford on a golf course.

Anakin was more whiney and effeminate than the previous movie, everything with General Grevious was a waste of time, Anikan's turn to the dark side happened in 5 minutes mostly offscreen, more beyond crappy acting that takes you right out of the film, too much CGI in an age where CGI still kind of sucked, bad dialogue, and dear god that mess that was the final duel. That duel represented everything wrong with the prequels. Too long, silly dialogue, incredibly crappy acting, scenery that got more and more ridiculous, clear emphasis on spectacle over any substance. I am honestly shocked that anyone can see that crap scene as a quality piece of film making.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like TLJ either. But dear god, I didn't hate it bad enough to start seeing the prequels as good films.

"Thou did not just diss the almighty Lord and Savior George Lucas, the one whom can do no wrong and is always to be looked up upon as the creator of all things right and Holy! Thou must be a hypocritical, Bayformers and Marvel-loving plaster saint! Thou has not good taste in film!" The Lord and Savior Lucas crafted the prequels with passion, thus they are the purest form of bad films! Thou has been corrupted by the evil of Disney!

Spoiler:

Just kidding, you more or less echo my thoughts. ROTS is the only prequel I don't hate and actually watched multiple times though. But I still hate AOTC and TPM will forever remain my most hated movie of all time.

 

[TaliBane]

I'm going to dust off the prequels and take a look because other than a brief bit of ROTS on TV a couple of years ago, I haven't seen any PT movies since they first released.

I still remember standing outside Mann's Chinese with our large group after the TPM midnight show - the nervous exchanges of looks, no one willing to just come out and say "WTF?" Fortunately there were a few newly-minted PT apologists in our group whose blissful chatter kept the mood light and we were all able to depart without truly getting out any "WTF?!" words.

I just kept thinking of the wonderful TPM teaser trailer, which I still really like and sometimes think would have sufficed as Star wars Episode I for me, even at 2.5 minutes.

I remember enjoying the Ewan/Jango fight in AOTC (that felt very SW,) and the McDiarmid theater scene where he tells the story in ROTS. Maybe I'll just scan to those parts.

 

[parrasmaniac]

Talibane... try fanedits!

 

[Bravomite]

Talibane... try fanedits!

Parrasmaniac which fan edits would you recommend and how would I locate them? I'm not very tech savvy and I'm not a pirate who rides the torrent seas so I might struggle if the only option is to download them?

 

[Snake Plissken]

Spoiler:

 

[parrasmaniac]

Parrasmaniac which fan edits would you recommend and how would I locate them? I'm not very tech savvy and I'm not a pirate who rides the torrent seas so I might struggle if the only option is to download them?

well, I am not a pirate either! I collect movies, as well as 1/6 figures. I have over 400 movies in my collection. I even bought STAR WARS movie several times: VHS, DVD, ...

A Fanedit is a different a approach to a movie that of course pre-exists, but it somehow presents a different cut, that sometimes a skilled faneditor can make better than the original movie! I like to see them as a different cut, .. from a different point of view.

In order to get a fanedit you have to own the original movie first.

Here are my favourite STAR WARS fanedits:

Episode I - Shadow of the Sith by L8wrtr
Episode II - The Republic Divided by L8wrtr
Episode III - Labyrinth of Evil by HAL9000

and for the OT you have either STAR WARS Despecialized movies, or Revisited movies. The latter is an enhanced version of the Special Editions. The first one is the original theatrical version, at the higher quality possible.

 

[parrasmaniac]

here, a glimpse...

 

[Prime Clone]

I still remember standing outside Mann's Chinese with our large group after the TPM midnight show - the nervous exchanges of looks, no one willing to just come out and say "WTF?"

Hey, I must have passed you on my way in to the 3am session!

Yes, the feeling afterwards was weird. Ironically the consensus seemed to be it was "too Disney".

 

[Adolfo]

PT >ST forever

 

[TaliBane]

well, I am not a pirate either! I collect movies, as well as 1/6 figures. I have over 400 movies in my collection. I even bought STAR WARS movie several times: VHS, DVD, ...

A Fanedit is a different a approach to a movie that of course pre-exists, but it somehow presents a different cut, that sometimes a skilled faneditor can make better than the original movie! I like to see them as a different cut, .. from a different point of view.

In order to get a fanedit you have to own the original movie first.

Here are my favourite STAR WARS fanedits:

Episode I - Shadow of the Sith by L8wrtr
Episode II - The Republic Divided by L8wrtr
Episode III - Labyrinth of Evil by HAL9000

and for the OT you have either STAR WARS Despecialized movies, or Revisited movies. The latter is an enhanced version of the Special Editions. The first one is the original theatrical version, at the higher quality possible.

Thanks for posting. It kinda feels like cheating (like they aren't the movies that were released) but if it delivers the PT in a way that works, I'm onboard with it.

Hey, I must have passed you on my way in to the 3am session!

Yes, the feeling afterwards was weird. Ironically the consensus seemed to be it was "too Disney".

Ha - it was quite a scene going in. My buddy and his SW militia camped out for I don't know how long. So glad I was there. People were so hyped, I imagine what it was like in '77. In sad retrospect it was just...

Good times though, and 1999 was a cool year, and not just because of the Prince song.

 

[GasparZizou]

Spoiler:

WWEJedi, what an unintended prophet.

In retrospect, he was more level headed than most ST fans.

 

[Khev]

WWEJedi, what an unintended prophet.

As opposed to me who was posting crap like this January 2016:

Some things just aren't worth spelling out to some people but yes, that is exactly what I meant. Star Wars is a massive brand that will automatically draw an enormous fanbase. You don't need "Han Solo," "Boba Fett" or any other established character in the film. Star Wars is just another Marvel for Disney. Sure people know Iron Man *now* but most didn't in 2008. *No one* knew who the "Guardians of the Galaxy" were, they might as well have been a completely original team that Disney invented. But they were "Marvel" so people gave them a look, and all it took was a kickass trailer and totally enjoyable flick and now characters like Rocket and Groot are household names.

"Rogue One" is going to be about all new characters and is already one of the most anticipated films of 2015. "Rey," "Finn" and "BB-8" literally didn't exist in the public consciousness prior to the first teaser in 2014 and now they're Star Wars icons. New icons can be established at any given moment. That's what I want Disney to run with if they're going to go off with these Anthology films. Rogue One did not have to be about getting the Death Star plans so that we already know how everything will turn out. They could have hired that *exact same cast* that appeared in the current group photo and say that they are Resistance fighters off in another part of the galaxy trying to acquiring some *other* piece of vital First Order intelligence. Or keep them in the Rebellion and have them fighting another foe who reported to Palpatine that we've never heard of before in events never referenced by OT characters.

Telling stories that directly lead into the already established "Saga" films or that feature established Saga characters just puts them in a position of either doing something less dramatic because we already have the jist of what happens and also runs the risk of mucking up stories that we've already seen by changing the backstory of classic characters. It just isn't a good idea and isn't even necessary.

Yeah, I mean I certainly can't say that I'm surprised that Disney is milking the franchise the easy way, but I think it will do more harm than good in the long run. You spend too much time on any one aspect of the story or any one character and you can really taint what was previously a good thing. And it isn't Marvel or DC where if they screw up any one character you just wait a few years until the reboot, these "Saga" films are pretty much it. They're the core narrative that everything builds off of and if they *don't* branch off far enough and instead keep camping out with the same few characters and relative situations then they risk actually hurting the core narrative itself which is what Lucas did with the prequels and SE's. Then when the Clone Wars movie was released WITH familiar characters no one gave a rat's ass anymore and it bombed.

But as always we'll see, Rogue One could just be genius and if so I'll be singing its praises a year from now.

I clearly knew what I was talking about on that one.

 

[karamazov80]

I clearly knew what I was talking about on that one.

You could use a bit more humility, but yes, you were proven right. You get a BB8 cookie.

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[Khev]

You could use a bit more humility, but yes, you were proven right. You get a BB8 cookie.